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HomeMy WebLinkAboutApril 7, 2005 CITY OF NDOVE c..xYu~ Q..A.) Lu'''1.J.J:tU') t-! - 2.1 - 05 PARK AND RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING -APRIL 7,2005 MINUTES \ , The Regular Bi-Monthly Meeting of the Andover Park and Recreation Commission was called to order by Chairman Jim Lindahl on April 7, 2005, 7:00 p.m., at the Andover City Hall, 1685 Crosstown Boulevard NW, Andover, Minnesota. Commissioners Present: Dan Masloski, Meg Dudgeon, Chairman Jim Lindahl, Ernest Bedor, Wendy Albee, and Devon Walton. Commissioners Absent: Dave Blackstad. Also Present: Parks Coordinator, Todd Haas RESIDENTS FORUM There were no comments at this time. APPROVAL OF MINUTES Motion by Commissioner Masloski, seconded by Commissioner Walton, to approve the March 17,2005 Park Commission minutes as presented. Motion carried on a 6-ayes, 0- nays, I-absent (Blackstad) vote. CARDINAL RIDGE SKETCH PLAN Mr. Haas explained that this item is in regard to the proposed Cardinal Ridge sketch plan, a copy of which has been provided for the Commission's review. He explained that the Park Commission is requested to determine if land, a combination of land and cash, or cash in lieu of land should be dedicated. Mr. Haas noted that the Commission, when evaluating the sketch plan, should review the Park Comprehensive Plan. He noted the location of Cardinal Ridge and that the area adjacent to Cardinal Ridge will, at some point, be developed into urban residential (most likely single family homes). Therefore, the Commission should consider this when determining if a park should be considered for the area Chairman Lindahl asked whether the two large parcels by Hanson were not going to be developed because it is all wetland. Regular Andover Park & Recreation Commission Meeting Minutes - April 7, 2005 Page 2 , / Mr. Haas stated that that was correct, and that piece is DNR protected. Commissioner Masloski asked how many plots would be in Shaw's Glenn. Mr. Haas stated that the entire area being developed near Shaw's Glen would in the vicinity of 100 new lots. Commissioner Walton asked if Shaw's Glenn is going to be south of 157th and wrapped up to the east side of what is proposed as Linnet Street Extension. Mr. Haas stated that was correct. Chairman Lindahl stated they are probably going to be more into that larger development with a park if they were going to do anything, just to what would be the east of Cardinal Ridge. Commissioner Dudgeon stated they will want to see what develops in there. Commissioner Walton stated there is nothing west of Nightingale, and that they might consider waiting because they didn't know when Shaw's Glen was coming forth, and they may be looking two to three years out. , J Mr. Haas stated they are anticipating preliminary plats over the summer, and there is a good chance it would go next year. He stated the one piece north of Cardinal Ridge has a purchase agreement with the developer to the south, but they are not going to be moving on it until sometime in 2007 or thereafter, so everything is getting bought up. Commissioner Bedor asked if a ball field would be feasible. Chair Lindahl stated they would only be looking at a neighborhood tot lot, and there isn't room for a ball field. Mr. Haas stated there could be room for a half court for basketball. Commissioner Bedor stated that they would want to put a tot lot in and a basketball court. Commissioner Walton suggested Lots 5, 6, and 7. Chair Lindahl stated they would not want to be on Nightingale Street NW. Commissioner Masloski stated he was wondering about the east side. Mr. Haas stated the Park Commission may want to look at the east end, and they may want to locate it next to the wetland so the parents could watch and enjoy the wild life while the children are playing on the playground equipment. \ Commissioner Bedor stated he wanted to take the land rather than the cash. ) Regular Andover Park & Recreation Commission Meeting Minutes - April 7, 2005 Page 3 Chair Lindahl stated they already have the other development in the works, and he thought it would be foolish to locate it near Nightingale Street because they were going to have another 100 lots developing to the east of that. Mr. Haas stated that if the Park Commission thinks there is going to be a park in the area, they could deal with it later. He stated if they were not interested in this piece, he'd tell the developers that they would just take cash. He stated when the other developers come in, he'll let them know that the Park Commission is going to be looking for a park somewhere on the east side. Motion by Commissioner Masloski, seconded by Commissioner Bedor, for cash in lieu of land on Cardinal Ridge, with the assumption that there will be a neighborhood park coming through in the new development to the east of Cardinal Ridge. Mr. Haas stated they've reviewed the preliminary plat a couple oftimes, and they still have some issues with drainage, and they need to work with the developers on the north side and provide ponding areas, so he has decided to wait until they all come together. Commissioner Masloski stated that the location is crucial. Commissioner Walton stated he didn't disagree if the location would be nice. He stated he would like a large park three blocks from his house, but he didn't know when or if it' s every going to come. He stated that here they have something in their hands that they know is coming now. Commissioner Dudgeon stated that was a good point, but as she looks at this location, there is not a lot of population that would access that park. She stated it's probably worth waiting. Motion carried on a 6-ayes, O-nays, l-absent (Blackstad) vote. BIRCH POINTS ESTATES PRELIMINARY PLAT / PARK DEDICATION REQUIREMENTS Mr. Haas explained that this item is in regard to reviewing and determining the park dedication requirements for the proposed Birch Points Estates. He noted a copy of the preliminary plat/grading plan has been provided for the Commission's review. The Park and Recreation Commission is requested to review the proposed preliminary plat and recommend the park dedication requirements to the City Council. Chair Lindahl asked if any of the land on the west half of the parcel was developable or buildable. Larry Emmerich, developer of the project, stated they are going to put in 82 lots next year I on the west side of the existing DNR wetland. Regular Andover Park & Recreation Commission Meeting Minutes - April 7, 2005 Page 4 Chair Lindahl stated that his question is when the other parcel comes up whether it will be treated totally separate for dedication fees and everything. Mr. Haas stated that it would, and that would come in as a separate plat when they are ready to develop the property. Commissioner Walton asked if the western half of this is considered part of Birch Point Estates or phase two. Larry Emmerich stated that that side has been awarded approximately 85 units. He stated the remaining units in phases 2 and 3 will be next year or the year after. Commissioner Walton stated he wanted to make sure if they approved this, they would get an opportunity to look at what is on the west side of the DNR wetland. Motion by Commissioner Masloski, seconded by Commissioner Walton, to require cash in lieu of land as the park dedication requirements for the proposed Birch Point Estates development, phase one. Motion carried on a 6-ayes, O-nays, I-absent (Blackstad) vote. UPDATE OF PRAIRIE KNOLL PARK LIGHTING /03-1A Mr. Haas explained that this item is in regard to an update of the Prairie Knoll Park J Lighting, Project 03-lA. He advised that City staff recently received a plan indicating the lighting levels along the west property line of the park. By City Code the maximum lighting levels at the residential property line is 0.4 foot candles. Mr. Haas noted that the proposed lighting levels exceed the maximum allowed. So, to keep the project on schedule, the City Council has directed City staff to make application for a variance, which has been scheduled with the Planning Commission for Tuesday, April 12, 2005. The adjacent property owners next to the park have been notified of the public hearing. Mr. Haas advised that the Commission was provided with a copy of the full report that will be submitted to the Planning Commission. He stated the Park Commission is welcomed to attend the Planning Commission meeting on Tuesday, April 12th, which begins at 7:00 p.m. Chair Lindahl asked what kind of a hardship they need when you have to drive allover town to find lighted fields. He stated he thinks it's a special use item, and not so much a variance, because the ordinance is basically set up for parking lots, security lights, and things like that that are on all night. No action required. CONSIDER CITY CODE 8-4-1 K(3) a AMENDMENT Mr. Haas explained that this item is in regard to amending City Code 8-4-1 K(3)a related ) to domestic animals in Prairie Knoll Park. He advised that in discussions with the Planning Department this week, it has been recommended by the Planners that a public Regular Andover Park & Recreation Commission Meeting Minutes - April 7, 2005 Page 5 . I hearing be scheduled with the Park Commission. Once the public hearing has been held, the Park Commission would recommend the changes and be forwarded directly to the City Council for consideration. He advised that the Planning Department has determined that since this is a park issue and not a zoning issue, the public hearing should be held by the Park Commission. Mr. Haas stated possible dates for the public hearing could be either Thursday, May 5th at 7:30 p.m. or Thursday, May 19th at 7:30 p.m. Motion by Commissioner Walton, seconded by Commissioner Dudgeon, to schedule a public hearing on Thursday, May 19,2005, starting at 7:30 p.m., to receive public input on the proposed City Code amendment to 8-4-1 K(3)a. Chair Lindahl stated he wanted to move it ahead as soon as possible because soccer is going to be in full swing. Commissioner Walton stated he didn't disagree, but his concern is that they have to look at the Park's Capital Improvement Plan. Chair Lindahl stated that the public hearing shouldn't take long on this, and at the last one they did for Sunshine Park, nobody was opposing it. Commissioner Walton asked whether they had to wait until May. He stated there may be other parks to consider, and perhaps they should look at all the parks and do them as one. Commissioner Walton asked if they could do it at a workshop. Chair Lindahl stated they also have to look at the issue of voice command control of dogs. Commissioner Walton made an amendment to his motion to move it to May 5th and to consider all parks. There was a further discussion regarding the date. Commissioner Walton stated he would like to go back to his original motion to set the matter for public hearing on Thursday, May 19th at 7:30 pm. Motion carried on a 6-ayes, O-nays, I-absent (Blackstad) vote. SCHEDULE SPECIAL WORKSHOP /2006-2010 CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN Mr. Haas explained that this item is in regard to scheduling a special workshop to discuss I the 2006-2010 Capital Improvement Plan. The meeting is anticipated to be an informal round table discussion that will not be televised. He noted that based on recent Regular Andover Park & Recreation Commission Meeting Minutes - April 7, 2005 Page 6 discussions, it is likely that the Andover Station Park improvements may rise to the top of the list for 2006 and 2007. Mr. Haas stated the Park & Recreation Commission is requested to schedule the special workshop to discuss the 2006-2010 CIP. The possible dates are as follows: . Thursday, April 21st immediately following the regular meeting, which starts at 7:00 p.m. . Tuesday, April 26th at 7:00 p.m. or earlier. . Thursday, April 28th at 7:00 p.m. or earlier. Chair Lindahl stated he would like to schedule it as soon as possible. Commissioner Walton stated he would suggest after the meeting on the 21 s!. Motion by Commissioner Walton, seconded by Commissioner Dudgeon, to direct staff to schedule a special workshop on Thursday, April 21, 2005, following the regularly scheduled meeting to consider the 2006-2010 Capital Improvement Plan. Motion carried on a 6-ayes, O-nays, I-absent (Blackstad) vote. SCHEDULE SITE VISIT/FRISBEE GOLF Mr. Haas explained that this item is to see if there is interest in scheduling a site visit at a , / frisbee golf facility. He advised that Mike Snelson, President of the Minnesota Frisbee Association and resident of Andover, has offered to schedule a site visit of a frisbee golf facility located in the City of Ham Lake. He stated they could probably do it before the fIrst meeting in May at 6:00 or 6:30 p.m. Commissioners Bedor and Albee stated that 6:00 p.m. would be fIne with them, and they could meet over at the facility. Mr. Haas stated he would get directions and put it in their packet. Mr. Haas advised that City staff has discussed with the Anoka County Parks and Recreation Department the possibility of having a facility in Bunker Hills Park. However, it doesn't appear from conversations with them that they are interested in this type of activity at the park. The County will evaluate a piece of property they own at Hanson Boulevard NW and Northdale Boulevard NW and also at the Rum River Central Park located along 7th Avenue near the Rum River. Commissioner Walton asked if they could review this when they go through the Park CIP at the end of April to see if any of the parks might allow fIve holes. Commissioner Albee stated that she has looked at some of them, and they seem too small. She stated even if there were a ball fIeld there at a park, the ball field would probably be in the way. Regular Andover Park & Recreation Commission Meeting Minutes - April 7, 2005 Page 7 Mr. Haas stated he would be this will be scheduled for 6:00 p.m. on Thursday, May 5th, and that no motion was necessary. REVIEW OUTSTANDING ITEMS Mr. Haas reviewed outstanding items. CHAIR'S REPORT None. ADJOURNMENT Motion by Commissioner Walton, seconded by Commissioner Dudgeon, to adjourn the meeting at 7:50 p.m. Motion carried on a 6-ayes, O-nays, I-absent (Blackstad) vote. Respectfully Submitted, Sheree Theobald, Recording Secretary TirneSaver Off Site Secretarial, Inc.