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HomeMy WebLinkAboutWK September 25,1996 " / CITY of ANDOVER 1685 CROSSTOWN BOULEVARD NW. . ANDOVER, MINNESOTA 55304 . (612) 755-5100 SPECIAL CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP Wednesday, September 25,1996 Call to Order - 7:00 PM 1. Woodland Terrace Discussion 2. Assessment Policy Guidelines Discussion 3. Amendment to Ordinance 10 Discussion Mayor-Council Input Adjournment '-, , / . , .J , ~ .,) " .~I DATE: TO: FROM: RE: ,CITY of ANDOVER MEMORANDUM September 25, 1996 MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL Richard Fursman Woodland Traffic Survey Results Attached is an updated copy of the Woodland Terrace traffic survey. 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Do you think the City should spend more time trying to resolve traffic problems in your neighborhood? Yes ~ 22 No 80 88 No Opinion J 6 . How much would you be willing to be assessed for road alterations to limit traffic? <D None 38 100 (g) $250-$500 () 7 @ $500-$750 7 . What method of traffic control would you recommend? <D Speed Bumps g 9 (g) Close Roads ~ 29 @ Police -&1- 69 " / . Do you think more neighborhood meetings are necessary to discuss the traffic issue? Yes 9 No 86 94 No Opinion 9 13 179 Surveys Delivered to Residents 116 4.()4 Surveys Received Back from Residents (5a%) (65%) I Woodland Terrace Traffic Survey No Action " . The whole issue was a waste of time and money. One man on 133rd Lane NW disconnected the traffic counter anyway so how accurate was it. That's all it did was divide the neighborhood and put one section against another - how awful!! . I live 2 (two) houses from Round Lk Blvd and do not consider the traffic as being heavy. I have lived in busier areas . This is not a brand new neighborhood! People bought these homes knowing that they are on a through street or a cul-de-sac. It is not the City's job to now change that! . Speed bumps are insulting. Driving through my yard is disgusting. . Stop a few kids speeding once in a while and the roads will be fine. . Just don't seem to see where the "problem traffic" is in my neighborhood! . I don't have a problem with the traffic. I know it's a busy area so I accept it. Thank you for asking. . I have been to the meetings and would attend again, however, I feel the answer is just that the neighborhood streets are busy and that's how it is. . Just enforce the laws and don't make a bigger issue of it. It's not rocket science. Road alterations are ludicrous and defeat the purpose of roads for the users (vast majority of whom are not traffic offenders). Simply get some cops out here to enforce the laws and nail the dozen or so who violate them. I can sit in my house and write down plate #'s all day of people who ignore stop signs, etc. I could tell you where they live. If! can do that much surely cops can issue some big fines.. . We've found that a lot of the problems are w/school age children riding their bikes and playing in the MIDDLE of the street. Also, cars do drive too fast for the conditions. . It's sad to think the City has spent so much time & expense on an issue that's basis lies in the fact that a few parents do not want the responsibility of parenting - Their children do not belong playing in the streets. . Don't believe their is a problem. Also less traffic now that summer is over again & garage sales have stopped. Kids are back in school. . I am a new resident and work for the City of Blaine. I feel the traffic in this neighborhood is no different than others. In reality, the speeders in this neighborhood are its residents. Police visibility is the only alternative. Installing speed bumps and closings roads will only increase frustration and ultimately cause more speeding. The street is not a playground. Watch your kids. . The City has already spent too much time catering to a few. The traffic in Woodland Terrace is no worse than any other neighborhood. . I don't understand why the access to Riverdale Assembly was closed. Besides being a busy church, it is also a poll at elections. Also, public streets can be used by anyone. What gives homeowners the right to bar traffic. . Traffic control I feel is not a problem in this neighborhood, except for those who feel the streets should be used as a playground for their children. " / l ) . This issue is not the result of road design. It is due to the driving behavior of area drivers. More police traffic enforcement is needed. . The sides are far too divided. Let those leave who feel they must. We need our own police force. . I don't believe there is a significant "through traffic" problem in our neighborhood. However, there are neighbors who speed and run stop signs. Additional policing may be of some help. . 1. Consolidate garbage service to one company like Blaine with city price control. 2. Put this issue to bed! . We thought this was a done issue. Maybe those people who can't accept where they live should move. It might also help if those same people didn't have garage sales every week, inviting more traffic. . This is so dumb and a real waste of tax dollars. It is very embarrassing when Andover has many other problems that need attention. Open Our Road! . The street system in the neighborhood works fine. If some drivers are speeding or disobeying other traffic laws, it is not because of the streets. The amount of traffic is not excessive. Give the matter a rest. . I don't feel we have a "traffic problem". The usage is no different than the other 3 (three) neighborhoods we've lived in, in this area. . . I live on 134th Ave & Narcissus. It's not that busy anymore. . Lessen the number of stop lights on Round Lake & Bunker Lake Blvd. And this would not be an issue! . We don't feel traffic is a problem in this neighborhood. . These indications are the strong preference of both adults in this household - we have kids who play outside and live on one of the 2 (two) busiest corners in the neighborhood (Poppy & 133rd Lane. NW). We are both strongly opposed to speed bumps, road closings and assessments. Thank you for doing this survey. Well Done! . Roads are built for cars. I don't see a Traffic Problem. When the residents who don't like cars on the road bought or built here, they should have expected that residents who live further in the development would use "their" road for access! . I appreciate your letter and hope this brings an end to the complaining of a few families. You have done more than your share for them and we appreciate it. (but no more should be done) . Closing streets only forces the traffic to other streets causing same problems - speed bumps help some. No one neighborhood is more important than another - there are children all over. . Improve the timing of the traffic lights around our sub-division. Let only those who want more traffic control pay for it. . People should educate their children on safety while walking, riding bikes and crossing the roads. . The problem is not the number of cars but the speed of the cars (people are driving way too fast). Speed bumps did not help at all. We need to educate people to drive slower! . I think what has happened - When we moved in 9 (nine) years ago the traffic was not bad. But, let's face it, Andover has grown 3 (three) fold or more. If some people don't like the traffic - Move! During the day it's really quiet. 2 / J . Concerning welfare of children & the traffic, this could be controlled by parents to teach children not to play in the streets & use their large yards & the many playgrounds. . I can sit on my deck and watch cars go through the intersection of Narcissus and Orchid - about lout of 50 stop for the stop sign. . I think the problem stems from moving vehicle violations not from volume. We have frequently had vehicles pass through over 30 mph & have nearly ran into kids on bikes & walkers. . Traffic volume has reduced, however, the problem ofteens in the neighborhood racing through with friends at over 45 mph still exists. . As noted - the biggest problem is the people who live right here - No Warnings - Just Tickets - If they don't like it, they should move. . People should put a bit more thought into where they are buying a home. If you live on a through street - there will be more traffic, right? . We have no problem with traffic. . Almost all drivers are driving safely and obeying the speed limit - those that don't, deserve a ticket - the rest of us shouldn't be penalized by speed bumps or closed roads. . I've found the greatest problem to be caused by neighborhood teenagers & their friends; police patrol after high school lets out and early evenings may help. Closing roads will only intensify the traffic in other areas. . This survey was a great idea!! If you must use speed bumps, please put them in front of the complainers homes. The levels & speed of traffic in our neighborhood is normal. Don't punish the residents (us) by closing our access to Bunker simply because of2 or 3 complainers. They are planning to move anyway. Also, don't put speed bumps by my yard because people drive onto the lawns to avoid them! . If a person doesn't want traffic passing by their house, they should have built/bought on a cul-de-sac. . Currently satisfied with road block on Bunker Lake Blvd. Would only like to see additional patrol of area. . I live in one of the cul-de-sacs. There is no problem here. What has been done, speed bumps & closing Bunker, is a problem. Tell those people to lighten up. . These people live by an existing county road, what in the hell did they think would be on it - horse and buggies? . Routine monitoring of traffic would help! Police visibility is always helpful!! I believe traffic density has improved!!! . Definitely no speed bumps or the City will pay for any related car repairs!! . I do construction work all over the cities. This neighborhood isn't bad at all compared to a lot of others. Remember there's also daycare around here - probably by the ones doing the most bitching. . I think people have to learn to live with other people and accept that there is going to be traffic. . Leave them as they are presently with the road blocked on the service road. . Thank you for this survey. . A road block up at Narcissus has been proven - not to cure the traffic problem - it only was proven to re-route traffic. Police have been very helpful in slowing 3 J neighborhood traffic - young kids driving too fast has also been a problem. Accident occurred this summer on Marigold St. At 9:00 PM Young kids were going too fast and caused this accident. Need Police. . The traffic in our area is not that bad, there are times that it is speedy but not a lot. . The biggest problem in our neighborhood is that the parents complaining have decided their children need to play in streets. . Closing the frontage road entrance at Bunker Lk Blvd. & Narcissus would only create a traffic problem at our end, at Round Lk Blvd. & 134th Ave NW. J 4 Additional Action I . Direct confrontation with the drivers involved. Most live in the area. . Something has to be done to restrict traffic on Narcissus. City should chip in for allowing this to happen at all. Bite the bullet and do something worthwhile. Quit counting convenience votes! This is a safety issue that will someday take a child's life if something is not done. I for one will not let this rest until something is done. State Department of Public Safety & Media coverage next. . I am very concerned about the amount of traffic & the speed. The speed has to be monitored by the police. I have two small children and the amount of traffic concerns us very much. . Close outlet going out to Bunker to resolve problem. This is a very simple problem. Just do it! Stop wasting time & money, close the damn inlet! . People who live on Narcissus (I Do!) are the ones who are suffering the most with the traffic - something has to be done! . The traffic problem still exists. Could you please resolve this issue by closing the roads to Woodland Terrace? The safety of the children and the residents are at risk. What will it take to expedite this matter? A child's life or someone being critically injured. I hope not. . Narcissus is a very busy street and people drive fast. There are no sidewalks and many children walking, riding bikes to school, etc. Taxes have increased tremendously already in a short time. . Signage . The City is well aware ofthe problem. No more meetings!! Just get off your butts and make some effective moves!! Get a spine for God's sake. . The average speed of cars on the straight away stretch of Marigold St. NW is well in excess of30 MPH. In light of the number of young children in the area, this speed is dangerous. . Narcissus St. Is very unsafe. I don't allow my kids on it. This is a real problem for people who live on this street or who have kids who use it to walk to school. I'm embarrassed - we should all be willing to improve this for the kids! . Something needs to be done, not talked about. . I feel you should close off both entries to the service road and make people enter at the existing stoplights. . I'm quite disgusted with the Council's handling of this situation. The City committed to certain trail resolutions then did not follow through! The City of Andover should insist that no future developments be built with the same traffic problems we have in this Woodland Terrace development. . Try closing off the roads entering Coon Rapids. Other than that, live with it. People go to work, have kids in sports and in general run a lot. That's life! . Since we've moved here 5 (five) years ago, the traffic has gotten worse & worse. Volume has really increased, but most of all it is the speed of the cars, especially where our house is located, right on the main drag. Something needs to be done! . Narcissus St. was never meant to be the only exit north for 2 housing developments. Block the roads at the Coon Rapids line like it was planned. Stop the through traffic! / 5 J . Speed bumps take care of speed, not closing roads. Almost all families now have 2 (two) or more cars. . Closing off the service road entrances on Bunker makes sense (the one barricaded and the one directly west). . We are new to the area & there is more traffic than we anticipated. We think closed roads are not reasonable and think speed bumps, while they may be hard on cars, are effective & cost efficient. . Why should we pay for a major city engineering mistake. Whomever doesn't think there is a problem should just spend a couple days on the north end of Narcissus. My son almost got hit yesterday, September 10, while on his bike by some teens racing through the stop sign on Narcissus and Orchid. There are 2 (two) problems. Volume of traffic & speed of traffic. I believe the volume could be reduced by closing roads. The speed problem is internal and hopefully could be improved by lots of police time. Thank you. . Too much time and money has already been spent on this - there's not an inordinate amount of traffic on our street. The speed bumps were an incredible nuisance, not to mention eye sore; and my front lawn was damaged by people trying to drive around them! . Traffic is getting louder andfaster. Post traffic signs at 20 mph speed limit and double Jines - Close entire intersection off where Marigold and Narcissus meet. . The traffic this summer seems to have lessened quite a bit. The thing we're most concerned about is speeding in the neighborhood (especially down Marigold St., also not stopping at stop signs or rolling through them. Marigold St. & 132nd should be blocked off! . No speed bumps . Close 134th Avenue NWat Round Lake Blvd. Make it a cul-de-sac. Speed bumps will only deteriorate our vehicles no matter how slow you go. Winter - would be too hard to plow. 1 think they should spend more time on improving the parks & their equipment. / J 6 .... \ ; CITY OF ANDOVER COUNTY OF ANOKA STATE OF MINNESOTA Ordinance No. 10Y AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE NO. 10, THE SUBDIVISION AND PLATTING ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF ANDOVER. THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF ANDOVER HEREBY ORDAINS: Ordinance No. 10 is hereby amended as follows: Section 4. Definitions. Buildable Lots: A. In areas lacking municipal sanitary sewer. all lots or parcels shall have an area of at least J9,ElElO 22.500 square feet with a finished grade of at least six / (6:9) feet above the seasonal high water mark. All organic material shall be removed and replaced with granular material with no more than five percent (5%) organic material by volume. The lowest floor shall be at least three (3') feet above the seasonal high water highest known and/or recorded water table in the area of construction pursuant to Ordinance No. 17 as amended unless evidence is submitted and certified by a geotechnical engineer and approved by the City that a separation of less than three (3') feet can be achieved and is warranted. B. In areas served by municipal sanitary sewer. all lots or parcels shall have all organic material removed and replaced with granular material with no more than five percent (5%) organic material by volume for the front one hundred (100') feet of depth of the lot at a minimum width of the lot as required for that zoning district by the Zoning Ordinance. The lowest floor shall be at least three (3') feet above the seasonal high water highest known and/or recorded "later table in the area of construction pursuant to Ordinance No. 17 as amended unless evidence is submitted and certified by a geotechnical engineer and approved by the City that a separation of less than three (3') feet can be achieved and is warranted. I Page Two \, Ordinance No. 10 Amendments , September 25, 1996 Section 6. Sketch Plan. 6.03(B) A rough sketch of the site showing its general shape and location of wetlands, forested areas, proposed ponding locations, adjacent roadways, Municipal State Aid designations, waterways, and any other significant features of the immediate area. Section 8. Required Preliminary Plat Data. 8.02(1) A copy of the restrictive covenants, if any, concerning the property being platted shall be filed with the preliminary plat. Section 9. Subdivision Design Standards. J 9.03('8) DefeetioRs. Where horizontal street lines deflect from each other at any point more than ten (l0) degrees, said street centerlines shall be connected by a curle '.vith a radius of not less than two hundred (200') f.eet for minor streets and such a greater radius in the case of other streets as the Planninb Commission may determine. '. 9.03(B) Horizontal Curves. The minimum horizontal curve radius on minor streets shall be fifty (50') feet or as required by the City Engineer. 9.06 Lots. A. Minimum Lot Size. The minimum lot area and dimension shall be as specified in the respective zoning districts of the City Zoning Ordinance, and in addition, the following standards shall apply: AI. Municipal Sanitary Sewer. In areas served by municipal sewer systems, no lot shall contain less than 11,400 square feet nor have a width of less than eighty (80') feet at the building setback line. Adequate rear yard area shall be provided to maintain a utilizable space for each lot as determined by the Planning Commission. Corner lots shall be a minimum of one hundred (100') feet wide as ) ) Page Three Ordinance No. 10 Amendments September 25, 1996 measured at the building setback line or ninety (90') feet wide for back to back lots with a thirty-five (35') foot front setback, except for two-family lots which shall be required to be one hundred fifty (150%) percent of a single family minimum area and width. Residential lots shall be required to have the lowest floor to be a minimum of three (3') feet above seasonal high water in the area of construction pursuant to Ordinance No. 17 as amended, unless evidence is submitted and certified by a licensed geotechnical engineer and approved by the City that a lesser separation to the mottled soil can be achieved and is warranted. Any subdivision, lot split or replatting of existing developments shall be required to meet the standards of the original development or to meet the average size of the existing lots. On continuing streets where houses were constructed prior to the adoption of Ordinance 10H, adopted April 5, 1983, the setback shall be thirty-five (35') feet unless the existing structures would indicate a lesser setback to maintain uniformity in R-2, R-3, R-4 districts. A2. Areas Lacking Municipal Sanitary Sewer Within the Urban Service / Area. In areas lacking municipal sanitary sewer within the Metropolitan Urban Service Area, no lot shall be developed for residential purposes unless it contains a minimum 0[29,000 22.500 square feet of contiguous buildable land area with a minimum width of one hundred fifty (150) feet and a minimum depth of one hundred fifty (150) feet and has a minimum lot width of at least one hundred sixty- five (165') feet as measured at the front setback line. In addition. there shall also be two (2) 5.000 square foot areas designated and staked for the primary and secondary on-site septic drain field based on the design criteria for a four (4) bedroom home. The designated drainfield locations as stated above shall comply with Chapter 7080 as amended. The location of the primary and secondary sites shall be indicated on the preliminary grading plan and the design specifications for the drainfields shall be submitted with the submittal of the preliminary plat. Said lot shall be required to have a minimum finished grade of at least six (6') feet above the seasonal high water mark and also require the lowest floor to be a minimum of three (3') feet above the mottled soils seasonal high water or one foot above the designated or designed one hundred year flood elevation, whichever is higher J j Page Four Ordinance 10 Amendment September 25, 1996 unless evidence is submitted and certified bv a licensed geotechnical engineer and approved bv the Citv that a separation of less than three (3 ') feet to the mottled soil can be achieved and is warranted. The preliminary plat shall show a feasible plan for the future resubdivision by which lots may be in areas served by municipal water and sanitary sewer systems. / A3. Areas Lacking Municipal Sanitary Sewer Outside the Urban Service Area. In areas lacking municipal sanitary sewer outside the Metropolitan Urban Service Area, no lot shall be developed for residential purposes unless it contains a minimum of 108,900 square feet, of which :9,990 22.500 square feet of contiguous land area is buildable with a minimum width of one hundred fifty (ISO ') feet and a minimum depth of one hundred fifty (ISO ') feet. In addition. there shall also be two (2) 5.000 square foot areas designated and staked for the primary and secondary on-site septic drainfield based on design criteria for a four (4) bedroom home. The designated drainfield locations as stated above shall comply with Chapter 7080 as amended. The location of the primary and secondary sites shall be indicated on the preliminary grading plan and the design specifications for the drainfields shall be submitted at the time of the submittal of the preliminary plat. Said lot shall be required to have a minimum finished grade of at least six (6') feet above the seasonal high water mark and also require the lowest floor to be a minimum of three (3 ') feet above the seasonal high water or one foot above the designated or designed one hundred year flood elevation, whichever is higher unless evidence is submitted and certified by a geotechnical engineer and approved bv the Citv that a separation ofless than three (3') feet to the mottled soil can be achieved and is warranted. Said lot shall also have a width of at least three hundred (300') feet as measured at the front building setback line. For lots which abut a cul-de-sac, the lot width at the front setback line is to be one hundred sixty (160') feet. Two lots maximum are allowed at the ) ) Page Five Ordinance No. 10 Amendments September 25, 1996 end of each cul-de-sac regarding lot width. The preliminary plat shall also show a feasible plan for the future resubdivsion by which lots may be resubdivided to meet the size and dimension standards of lots in areas served by municipal sanitary sewer where the City deems it necessary in those areas that can be served in the future. Adopted by the City Council of the City of Andover this _25th _ September _, 1996. day of CITY OF ANDOVER ATTEST: J. E. McKelvey, Mayor Victoria V olk, City Clerk , / ~ I I I I ,- 1-------1 I \ \ ) \ I , I > I \ ! I :;: ,'- 1;> -i l&I AJ --i )> .' ()j f \ ( \ ) fi ~ I f1i i< ~_ ----?oj C) . - -1 ~ r., -l (\ \'1i 1:.. jD fTi 2: 0- ~VJ \ , " \ \ , ''\-.... ". \, \ / , / / I , / V - ~ Ii ..:s: l:)- X. 2.. I~ 1- - U> lJl r- tj ::c ('t1 ;2:. C b f..l ;l'J !~ ~ :c, lit! CJ I- m ,- ~ I il I I !TI I I I , I , I I I