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Regular City Council Meeting - Tuesday, March 15,2005
Call to Order - 7:00 p,m. - Following the EDA Meeting scheduled at 6:45 pm
Pledge of Allegiance
Resident Forum
Agenda Approval
1. Approval of Minutes (2/24/05 Spec. CC; 3/1/05 Regular)
Consent Items
2. Approve Payment of Claims - Finance
3. Terminate Project/05-9/Kimberly Oaks - Engineering
4, Approve ResolutionlDesignating MSA Street - Engineering
5. Order Feasibility Report/05-18/Wintergreen Street NW (North of 161 st Avenue NW) - Engineering
6. Order Plans & Specs/04-46/Hanson Boulevard Trail - Engineering
7. Award Bidl05-4/2005 Sealing Coating - Engineering
8. Approve Application for Exempt PermitINorth Metro Soccer Assn. - Clerk
9. Approve Re-c1assification of Maintenance Position - Administration
Discussion Items
10. Receive Anoka County Sheriffs Department MontWy Report - Sheriff
11. Consider Lot Split/264 Andover Blvd., Continued- Planning
12. Consider Lot Split/308 Andover Blvd., Continued - Planning
13. Consider Final PlatIMillers Woods (phase 2) - Planning
14. Consider Rezoning/GB to M-IIProperty in Andover Station North - Planning
15. Consider Preliminary PlatIPUDlParkside at Andover Station/Jay Street & 139th Ave. - Planning
16. Consider Final Plat/Andover Station North - Planning
17. Consider Sketch Plan/Sophies South/Crosstown Blvd. & Xeon St. - Planning
18. Consider No ParkinglWren Street NW South of 168th Lane NW - Engineering
Staff Item
19. Discuss Concrete Curb & Gutter Policy - Engineering
20. Schedule Goal Setting Workshop-Administration
21. Schedule EDA Meeting- Administration
22. Administrator Report - Administration
Mayor/Council Input
Adjournment
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REGULAR ANDOVER CITY COUNCIL MEETING MINUTES - MARCH 15,2005
TABLE OF CONTENTS
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIENCE ...................................,.................................................................1
MEADOW CREEK GIRLS BASKETBALL TEAM ................................................................1
RESIDENT FORUM .................................,................................................,...............................1
APPROVAL OF AGENDA ..............................,........................................................................1
APPROVAL OF MIN1JTES................................"..,..............................................,...................2
CONSENT ITEMS
Approve Payment of Claims............. .............. .............. ........... ..........................' ............ ....,.2
Resolution R044-05 terminating Project/05-9/Kimberly Oaks ............................................2
Resolution R045-05 approving Resolution/Designation MSA Street....,.............................2
Resolution R046-05 ordering Feasibility ReportJ05-18/Wintergreen Street NW
(North of 161 st Avenue NW) ...........................................................................:...............2
Resolution R047-05 'ordering Plans & Specs/04-46/Hanson Boulevard Trail.....................2
Resolution R048-05 awarding Bid/05-4/2005 Seal Coating ................................................2
Approve Application for Exempt PermitINorth Metro Soccer Association.........................2
Approve Re-Classification of Maintenance Position.... ........... ... ........................ ............ ......2
RECEIVE ANOKA COUNTY SHERIFF DEPARTMENT MONTHLY REPORT
Received.. ................'. ...,. ...................... .....,... ... ..... ...........,....... ............... ....,. ...... ...... ........ ....2
CONSIDER LOT SPLIT/264 ANDOVER BLVD., CONTINUED
Motion to approve Resolution R049-05 ......................................,.........................................3
CONSIDER LOT SPLIT/308 ANDOVER BLVD., CONTINUED
Motion to approve Resolution R050-05 ................................................................................4
CONSIDER FINAL PLA TIMILLER'S WOODS (PHASE 2)
Motion to approve Resolution R051-05 ................................................................................4
CONSIDER REZONING/GB TO M-l/PROPERTY IN ANDOVER STATION NORTH
Motion to approve (Ord. No. 307) ......................................................................................... 7
CONSIDER PRELIMINARY PLAT/PUD/PARKSIDE AT ANDOVER STATION/
JAY STREET & 139TI1 AVENUE
Motion to approve Resolution R052-05 ................................................................................8
CONSIDER FINAL PLAT/ANDOVER STATION NORTH
Motion to Adopt Resolution R053-05 .......................:..................................................,........9
CONSIDER SKETCH PLAN/SOPHIES SOUTH/CROSSTOWN BOULEVARD &
XEON STREET.....................................................................................................................10
CONSIDER NO PARKING/WREN STREET NW SOUTH OF 168TI1 LANE NW.................12
CONSIER AMENDED RESOLUTION/COUNTRY OAKS WEST & KlMBERL Y OAKS
Motion to approve Resolution R054-05 and Resolution R055-05 ..................,.....,......,........12
DISCUSS CONCRETE CURB & GUTTER POLICY..............................................................13
SCHEDULE GOAL SETTING WORKSHOP ..........................................................................14
SCHEDULE EDA MEETING ............................,....................................,.................................14
AD~STRATORREPORT
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obon to partIcIpate...... ........................ .... ....................... .... ........................ .............. .......... .14
Motion to authorize....... ...... ............................. .............. ....... ....... ................. ...................... ...14
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MA YORlCOUNCIL INPUT
Train Whistle........................ ................... ...................... ............m....... .................... ........... ...15
Motion to Set Official Meetings ..............,.............................................................................15
Lions Thank You ...................................................................................................m.............15
ADJOURNMENT .............',.,....................,............',.........................'..,.....................................15
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REGULAR ANDOVER CITY COUNCIL MEETING - MARCH 15,2005
MINUTES
The Regular Bi-Monthly Meeting of the Andover City Council was called to order by Mayor Mike
Gamache, March 15,2005, 7:05 p.m., at the Andover City Hall, 1685 Crosstown Boulevard NW,
Andover, Minnesota.
Councilmembers present:
Councilmember absent:
Also present:
Don Jacobson, Mike Knight, Ken Orttel, Julie Trude
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City Attorney, William Hawkins
Fire Chief, Dan Winkel
City Engineer, Dave Berkowitz
City Administrator, Jim Dickinson
Community Development Director, Will Neumeister
Others
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MEADOW CREEK SCHOOLS GIRLS BASKETBALL TEAM
Mayor Gamache congratulated the Meadow Creek Schools Girls Basketball Team, on their third
place fInish at the State Tournament. He introduced Coach Dean Conklin who explained their
exciting win. Mr. Conklin introduced the players.
RESIDENT FORUM
Mr. Winslow Holasek - 1159 Andover Boulevard, stated he has been asked by some residents to fmd
out from the Council what the procedure is in regard to items on the agenda and how residents can
respond to them.
Mayor Gamache explained the procedures taken during the meeting regarding discussion.
AGENDA APPROVAL
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Add Item 18a, (Consider Amended Resolution/Country Oaks West and Kimberly Oaks) to
Discussion Items.
Motion by Trude, Seconded by Knight, to approve the Agenda as amended above. Motion carried
unanimously.
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APPROVAL OF MINUTES
February 24, 2005, Special City Council Meeting: Correct as written.
March 1, 2005, Regular Meeting: Correct as amended.
Councilmember Trude stated there was one change on the March 1, 2005 meeting. Page four there
was a motion made regarding the Senior All Night Party. The motion reads in the minutes to
approve a donation of$2.00 per student who are graduating that are Andover residents to the Anoka
Senior All Night Party but actually after their discussion they decided to make that a policy that there
would be a donation of$2.00 per student who are graduating that are Andover residents to all senior
class parties that request. Councilmember Orttel stated this was correct.
Motion by Trude, Seconded by Knight, approval of Minutes March 1,2005 as indicated above.
Motion carried 4 ayes, 1 present (Jacobson).
Motion by Trude, Seconded by Knight, approval of the Minutes on February 24,2005 as indicated
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CONSENT ITEMS
Item 2
Item 3
Item 4
Item 5
Item 6
Item 7
Item 8
Item 9
Approval of Claims
Terminate Project/05-9/Kimberly Oaks (See Resolution R044-05)
Approve ResolutionJDesignating MSA Street (See Resolution R045-05)
Order Feasibility ReportJ05-18/Wintergreen Street NW (North of161 st Avenue NW)
(See Resolution R046-05)
Order Plans & Specs/04-46/Hanson Boulevard Trail (See Resolution R047-05)
Award BidJ05-4/2005 Seal Coating (See Resolution R048-05)
Approve Application for Exempt PermitINorth Metro Soccer Assn.
Approve Re-Classification of Maintenance Position
Motion by Trude, Seconded by Jacobson, approval of the Consent Agenda as read. Motion carried
unanimously.
RECEIVE ANOKA COUNTY SHERIFF DEPARTMENT MONTHLY REPORT
r) Captain Dave Jenkins, Anoka County Sheriff's Department introduced Sergeant Shrempp who
\..J provided an update on law enforcement activities occurring within Andover.
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CONSIDER LOT SPLITI264 ANDOVER BLVD., CONTINUED
Community Development Director Neumeister explained the applicant has applied for a lot split that
will divide an 8.9-acre property into two Rural Residential lots. The existing house will remain on
one of the lots.
Councilmember Jacobson stated he understood the intent of what is going to happen in the future. If
they do what is suggested, they will be doing a lot of things they normally would not do. He noted
one parcel will be land locked with no way to get to the road. The other parcel will touch the road
but will only be ninety feet. He stated in order to do this, they will need to bend over backwards to
approve this. His concern in doing this is that if something should happen and the rest of the
property cannot be developed, they will end up with several substandard pieces of property.
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Councilmember Jacobson asked if these were approved, what assurances could be written to make
sure if the remaining property is not developed, the properties would go back to what they were
originally. City Attorney Hawkins stated they could probably not make it go back to what it used to
be but his understanding is they are going to require that these be combined, (the remnant pieces), so
there will only be one piece there. He also did not think the builder was asking to get building
permits on these so they could make a condition that they will not be able to get a building permit
until they come in with a plat that conforms to the zoning classification that they want to set up.
Councilmember Jacobson stated even if these are combined they will still have one with a frontage
that is one third of what they require. He stated he is worried about being left with substandard lots.
Councilmember Trude thought there was a clause that if something did not happen within a year,
then the lot split goes away. She wondered if there was a provision in the documents regarding that.
City Attorney Hawkins stated it is his understanding that if they do not record the lot split within one
year, the sunset clause would go into affect.
Councilmember Knight wondered if they do not continue could they sell the lots. City Attorney
Hawkins stated he would suggest they put a condition on them that they cannot get any building
permits on the lots until they bring in a plat that conforms to the City Ordinances.
Councilmember Jacobson stated they could not get a building permit even if the lots were not split
because they do not meet the frontage requirements.
Councilmember Orttel stated if it were rezoned, they could probably get a permit. He wondered
where the developer is in the process.
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Mr. Bruce Carlson, developer, stated they are submitting the sketch plan next week. They want to
get this done and approved in the next three months so this can be started this year. They have taken
all parcels off of County access roads as requested by the County. He indicated he has worked with
staff to make the plans how Andover wants them done.
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CounciImember Jacobson stated if the two parcels are agreed to tonight, how far does the property go
to the east. Mr. Carlson indicated where they own property on the map and stated they are trying to
close on all the properties at once. They have a purchase agreement with the properties and he
expects this to be done within the year.
Motion by Knight, Seconded by Trude, to approve the proposed lot split subject to the conditions
listed in the attached resolution, with number twelve indicating until it is combined and replatted that
no building permit be issued on the property. Motion carried unanimously. (Res. R049-0S)
CONSIDER LOT SPLIT/30B ANDOVER BL VD., CONTINUED
Community Development Director Neumeister stated this lot split is moving forward with the lot
split at 264 Andover Boulevard. The applicant has applied for a lot split that will divide a 9.8-acre
property into two Rural Residential lots. The existing house will remain on one of the lots.
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Motion by Jacobson, Seconded by Knight, to approve the proposed lot split subject to the conditions
listed in the attached resolution, with number twelve indicating until it is combined and replatted that
no building permit be issued on the property. Motion carried unanimously. (Res. ROSO-OS)
CONSIDER FINAL PLAT/MILLER'S WOODS (pHASE 2)
Community Development Director Neumeister indicated the City Council is asked to approve the
fmal plat of Miller's Woods Second Addition.
Mr. Neumeister discussed the history of the case with the City Council.
CounciImember Orttel wondered how long term this will be. Mr. Neumeister stated it would be
dependent on home sales but the developer thought this development would be constructed over
three years.
Mr. Berkowitz stated they have talked about different options in there. The developer had mentioned
putting the sewer and water in and then rough grading the road in as a base. What he didn't want to
do is put the upfront costs associated with that. He stated they require fees to be collected. Area
charges, connection charges, things like that before the developer puts the sewer and water in. He
did not want to do that and felt this was a fmancial hardship at this time.
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CounciImember Orttel stated they control whether the sewer and water is hooked up or not and he
did not think it would cost the City anything by allowing the developer to install the pipes under the
road and holding the fees until the sale ofthe homes. Mr. Berkowitz stated that is at the Council's
discretion.
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Mr. Berkowitz stated they also require a letter of credit to make sure those improvements are
completed as per plan. He stated this will be a private installation but they do require all of the fees.
Councilmember Orttel did not know if they could waive a letter of credit because they are
responsible for what is in the ground. He stated if they took the letters of credit now, the guarantee
would run out even before the developer started building. Mr. Berkowitz indicated the way they set
up letters of credit, they automatically renew.
Councilmember Jacobson asked if there was a reason why they need the loop when the end of the
road is just a couple of blocks from the Fire Station. Fire Chief Winkel stated it is twenty-five
hundred feet to get back there and they are concerned about the distance.
Mayor Gamache wondered if there was a distance Fire Chief Winkel would be comfortable with.
Fire Chief Winkel stated there is an ordinance of five hundred feet and they try to stick with that
distance, which is what he is comfortable with.
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Councilmember Trude stated the problem would be with turning emergency vehicles around. Fire
Chief Winkel stated they will need to have a cul-de-sac in phase 2 for turn around access.
Councilmember Orttel indicated there was not a cul-de-sac in phase 1. Fire Chief Winkel noted he
asked for a cul-de-sac and did not get one so they are asking for one in phase 2.
Councilmember Knight stated they need to be careful about getting ahead of themselves on some of
these things. He did not know if it was wise.
Fire Chief Winkel stated they did meet with Mr. Lorenz and he thought they would be able to put the
utilities in with a gravel road base. Mr. Lorenz did ask if the road could be barricaded because he is
concerned with contamination of the gravel. He thought this may be another option that could be
looked at and the Fire Department could use it in the event of an emergency but the general public
would not be able to use it.
Mayor Gamache asked if the Fire Chief would be happy with that as an access. Fire Chief Winkel
indicated they would as long as it was constructed to support the weight of those vehicles.
Councilmember Trude stated the Fire Chief was just trying to get the two ways in and out now; it is
not the issue of a truck getting stuck because they will have a temporary cul-de-sac. She thought this
will cost the developer a lot of money and it may be cheaper to do the loop. Fire Chief Winkel
thought this would be a good option and he suggested this to Mr. Laurent.
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Fire Chief Winkel wanted to have a guarantee on getting emergency vehicles back into the
development.
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Mr. Berkowitz stated in order to be an emergency access, this would need to be open and maintained
by the City.
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Councilmember Trude asked how this compares to Country Oaks West. She wondered if phase 2
was comparable to that. Mr. Berkowitz thought in Country Oaks West, the total road would be
around one thousand feet compared to twenty-five hundred feet in this development.
Councilmember Jacobson asked how wide 159th is. Mr. Berkowitz stated at the entrance the road is
a little wider to accommodate a turn lane. Mr. Dickinson showed the area on the map and indicated
there is not a connection at that spot. Councilmember Jacobson stated it shows one on the plat.
Councilmember Trude indicated this is a trail. Mr. Neumeister stated the only thing in that area is a
utility easement and there would not be any trail or road to be connected.
Mayor Gamache asked if they would consider holding off on charging the fees until the homes start
to sell. Mr. Berkowitz stated the Council can direct staff to go that route. He noted they did not go
that route with the developer because they felt the securities need to be in place and the fees need to
be paid but it could be revisited. Mr. Dickinson thought the developer would be resistant to this
because of the leveraging arrangement with the City's security.
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Councilmember Orttel stated if the developer pays for the improvements then the Letter of Credit
would only be for the warranty. Mr. Dickinson stated they reduce the letter of credit as they accept
the improvements and if they do not accept the improvements in there, he would be concerned about
putting a road in absent of the 429 process.
Councilmember Orttel wondered if they could put a usable driveway in phase three out to
Crosstown. Mr. Berkowitz stated the concern with that would be they would have to work with the
County to see if they allow any type of gravel access. Councilmember Orttel stated this would be
used only for emergency access and would not be used by the public.
Mr. Berkowitz stated staff would recommend that phase three would loop phase one and phase two
together. Fire Chief Winkel noted Mr. Laurent stated phase three would continue the loop.
Mayor Gamache thought it made more sense installing a temporary road going out to Crosstown.
Motion by Jacobson, Seconded by Knight, to approve the final plat subject to the conditions in the
attached resolution with item 11, installing a temporary cul-de-sac at the east end of Norway Street
for emergency access turn around.
Mayor Gamache thought they should add a condition to the resolution, item 12 in the resolution,
indicating they want an access to Crosstown, which would provide another temporary access to the
west off of Crosstown Boulevard to Norway Street and would be temporary.
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The rest of the Council did not think this was necessary.
Motion carried 4 ayes, 1 nay (Gamache), (Res. R051-05)
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CONSIDER REZONING/GB TO M-I/PROPERTY IN ANDOVER STATION NORTH
Community Development Director Neumeister explained this item originally came before the City
Council on November 3, 2004. At that time it was decided to table the item until a plan came
forward showing the development proposed for the site. The information is now available and the
preliminary plat for Parkside at Andover Station is on the agenda with this rezoning. The City
Council is asked to review this rezoning request to facilitate the residential component of the
Andover Station North mixed-use development.
M olion by Knight, Seconded by J aco bson, to approve the rezoning request based on the reason that
times and conditions have changed, eliminating the wording "Exhibit A" and adding the legal
description to the filing.
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Councilmember Jacobson stated there is an Outlot C on the south side. This is the exchange between
Mr. Povlitzki and the EDA to switch the properties so technically Mr. Povlitzki owns Outlot C and
they have never rezoned something that someone else owns without a letter permitting it. He raised
the question if they had that or not and it was indicated that they did not. He was concerned about
rezoning the property even though it is that small without the property owner's approval. City
Attorney Hawkins stated at this time the City owns the property and they are in discussion with Mr.
Povlitzki to exchange properties.
Councilmember Trude stated she is going to vote no on this item because she thought the ten acres
that they committed for multi-family housing was all that should have been rezoned to multi-family.
A commitment was made to the Met Council to do higher density housing in this area of the City.
Ten acres was the original agreement and this was medium density and not high density. She would
have preferred to minimize the housing to ten instead of the quantity being rezoned to seventeen.
She thought this is a good builder but a little bigger than she had hoped.
Councilmember J aco bson stated Exhibit A, covers a very large area, much larger than the crosshatch
and he wanted to make sure they were not rezoning too much. Mr. Neumeister stated they are meant
to be the same areas. He indicated they did not have their GIS staff working on the first drawing.
Councilmember Jacobson stated exhibit A is bigger than what is outlined. Councilmember Trude
thought Exhibit A needs to match what is in the packet or it has to be amended.
City Attorney Hawkins indicated they will use the legal description of the property for filing
purposes.
Motion carried 4 ayes, I nay (Trude). (Ord. No. 307)
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CONSIDER PRELIMINARY PLAT/PUD/PARKSIDEAT ANDOVER STATION/JAY STREET
& 139TH A VENUE
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Community Development Director Neumeister stated the Council is asked to review the Preliminary
Plat with Planned Unit Development (PUD) review for the residential component of Andover Station
North.
Mr. Neumeister discussed the information with the City Council. He indicated there is a variance in
the plat for a temporary cul-de-sac.
Councilmember Jacobson stated they talked about street width and they are public streets built to
City standards. These are not private streets the City owns, but actually driveways owned by the
homeowners. He thought if this is listed as a private street, they might have a problem and it should
be noted they are private driveways.
Councilmember Trude wondered where the public gathering area would be in the development. Mr.
Neumeister showed a map of the development indicating the open space.
Councilmember Trude stated the last time they looked at this there was a place for picnic tables. She
wondered if they increased the density. Mr. Neumeister did not recall that.
Mr. Dickinson stated on Andover Station South they do have some internal trails and a small pergola
area in the middle. The thought process was to the north they are creating a fairly extensive park
area.
Councilmember Trude thought they would have a small area for the people in the townhome area to
go to. She thought this would be private for their use. Mr. Neumeister stated there will be public
access to the street and also public parking along the edge.
Mr. Greg Schlink, Bruggeman Properties, stated they have two projects, One is the Andover Station
South project where they have included a seating area and pergola including trails. For this area they
are trying to preserve as many trees and open space as possible and provide a trail to the local park.
He stated they could include a picnic area in the development if the council would want this.
Councilmember Jacobson stated the green belt goes across the back of the private property and there
is no access to the green belt from the public. Mr. Schlink stated this is correct but would be part of
the common area. Councilmember Jacobson stated it is not a common area if people cannot get to it.
Mr. Neumeister showed on the map where a trail would go.
The Council discussed with staff and the developer open space, ponding, picnic spaces and density
per acre.
Motion by Jacobson, Seconded by Knight, to approve the Preliminary Plat and Planned Unit
Development subject to the conditions of the attached resolution. In addition, between 139th Avenue
North West and 140th Avenue Northwest in the backyards of Block 2, lots 1-10, known as the green
area, that a separate lot of record be established by the developer to allow access by all parties who
own property in the development to use as a recreational area.
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Mayor Gamache asked if the roads off Linette Street are public or private. Mr. Neumeister stated the
loop is all public streets but there are private driveways in there.
Mr. Neumeister indicated the two triangle ponds are ponds one and two which is an outlot. They
will be responsible for maintenance of the ponds. Any ponds in the area will be association
maintained ponds.
Councilmember Trude thought it was a serious error allowing a pond to be at the end of the sliding
hill. Mr. Berkowitz stated the intent is to have the sliding hill on the north side of the hill and to put
up some type of barrier to the south so it cannot be slid down on the south side.
Councilmember Trude asked if the ponds are for storage. Mr. Berkowitz thought the ponds were set
up as dry ponds.
Councilmember Trude stated she did not like having the ponds so close to the sliding hill and
thought this should be reviewed.
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CONSIDER FINAL PLAT/ANDOVER STATION NORTH'
Community Development Director Neumeister explained the City Council is asked to approve the
[mal plat of the project to be known as "Andover Station North". This is the land currently owned
and being developed by the Andover EDA, located north of Bunker Lake Boulevard at Jay Street.
Motion by Jacobson, Seconded by Knight, to adopt the attached resolution, approving the [mal plat
deleting items 2, 3 and 4 in the resolution.
Councilmember Orttel stated they approved the preliminary plat with a different name. He
wondered if they did something wrong. City Attorney Hawkins stated when they bring the [mal plat
in they will be replatting lot 3 of block 1.
Councilmember Orttel asked if they approved the preliminary plat on the entire parcel already. Mr.
Neumeister stated they have.
Motion carried unanimously. (Res. R053-05)
CONSIDER SKETCH PLAN/SOPHIES SOUTH/CROSSTOWN BOULEVARD & XEON
STREET
Community Development Director Neumeister explained the City Council is asked to review a
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sketch plan for a development containing 88 urban residential lots.
Mr. Berkowitz reviewed the letter from the County regarding their reasons for not allowing the
additional connection onto Crosstown.
Councilmember Knight wondered why they were allowed to have the connection on the north
side but not on the south side because it is the same distance. Mr. Neumeister thought this
preceded the current guidelines. Mr. Berkowitz stated the County is trying to enforce their
spacing on County roads,
Councilmember Orttel wondered why this is a big issue with residents. He thought the accesses
allowed would serve the development well.
The Council discussed the possibility of other accesses into the development. Council Member
Trude stated that with 88 proposed homes, this plat should have two accesses provided to
Crosstown even if one at Avocet is reserved for future use and emergency access now.
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Councilmember Jacobson thought with cul-de-sacs on plats, they try to have two entrances or
exits where possible. He thought there could be something done on a temporary basis.
Mr. Todd Ganz, developer, indicated he talked to the Highway Department and they requested
the connection on Avocet Street be removed and it would not be accepted,
The Council discussed what was done on other properties within the City regarding accesses to
developments.
Councilmember Jacobson suggested taking the end of the cul-de-sac south into a future
development to connect to Yellow Pine. He thought this would get minimal traffic and would
open up the development for another access.
Councilmember Jacobson wondered if they should consider talking to the County about taking
back Crosstown because they are having so many problems that the City could solve. Mr.
Dickinson stated this is a negotiation process with the County. Mr. Berkowitz stated this road
would need major upgrades.
Councilmember Jacobson stated he would like to see an access going out onto Crosstown but it
does not sound like the County will give in.
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Councilmember Knight stated it troubles him this development has one access with eighty-eight
homes and they do not know when the land to the south will be developed.
Discussion continued regarding accesses to developments in the City.
Councilmember Trude wondered if the pipeline crossed the plat. Mr. Neumeister stated it does
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not go into the plat.
Mr. Holasek stated the street has to be around 2,600 feet which is very long for having one access
and a cul-de-sac on both sides. He indicated if Avocet were connected, the kids in the
neighborhood would have a better access to the proposed park in the new development. He
stated that if the County will not allow any access on Avocet to the south, he suggested reserving
the right ofthe roadway and use it as an emergency access and if it did change in the future, a
road could be constructed.
Councilmember Jacobson stated the homes backing up to Crosstown will have noise from the
road and he thought there should be some kind of berm to reduce the noise.
Councilmember Knight asked what the depth of the lots on Crosstown are. Mr. Neumeister
indicated they are between 138 to 150 feet.
Mr. Ganz stated with the amount of grading they have to do along Crosstown there will be some
massive grading along the boulevard to produce the intersection. They do plan on putting in a
buffer but right now they do not know how much will need to be done. His goal is to try to keep
, ,_) as many trees as possible for buffering and they will put up more dirt with additional trees.
Councilmember Jacobson asked if they are planning to do custom or mass grading. Mr. Ganz
stated they plan to do mass grading because of the ponding they will need to do onsite.
Councilmember Trude asked where the area of wetland is that needs to be filled. Mr. Ganz
showed on the map where the wetland area is.
Councilmember Orttel asked if there was any issue remaining with Xeon were it was crossing
Crosstown. Mr. Neumeister stated they will require at least a temporary easement from the
remaining property.
Councilmember Orttel thought staff could work with the developer on an emergency access.
The City Council recessed at 9:43 p.m.
The City Council reconvened at 9:48 p.m.
CONSIDER NO PARKINGIWREN STREET NW SOUTH OF 168TH LANE NW
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City Engineer Berkowitz stated this item is in regard to considering no parking along Wren Street
NW south of 168th Lane NW as requested by a resident of the area.
Motion by Jacobson, Seconded by Knight, to authorize staff to install no parking signs on both
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sides of l68th Lane NW between Verdin, Xeon and Wren Street.
Mayor Gamache asked if the proposed no parking was just on the east side of Wren Street. Mr.
Berkowitz stated it should be on both sides but Mr. Dickinson thought they should discuss this
with the entire cul-de-sac before domg this because it was a request by one resident on the cul-
de-sac.
Councilmember Trude thought this was a good idea and indicated she would like the feedback.
Councilmember Knight withdrew his second.
Motion was withdrawn.
Mayor Gamache thought they should talk to the school also to see what they can do to alleviate
the problem.
CONSIDER AMENDED RESOLUTION/COUNTRY OAKS WEST & KIMBERLY OAKS
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City Engineer Berkowitz explained the City Council approved both preliminary plats: "County
Oaks West" and "Kimberly Oaks" this past fall. It was anticipated that the flood plain (FEMA)
map amendment process would take a few months to complete. All the necessary flood
information was submitted to FEMA in November. It has come to staff attention that the FEMA
review and approval of the map amendment has been delayed at FEMA, because of staffing
changes. FEMA is basically starting over the review process. It is anticipated that it could take
an additional three months to complete their review.
The developers have asked for consideration to allow them to grade at their own risk, prior to
FEMA approval. Provided that Council agrees to allow this to occur, it is necessary to modify
the preliminary plat resolutions for both residential developments to incorporate wording to
allow them to begin grading before FEMA approval.
Motion by Orttel, Seconded by Trude, to approve the amended preliminary plat resolutions for
"Country Oaks West" and "Kimberly Oaks" to allow grading at the developers own risk. Motion
carried unanimously. (Res. ROS4-0S and Res. ROSS-OS)
DISCUSS CONCRETE CURB & GUTTER POLICY
-, City Engineer Berkowitz explained the Public Works Committee has requested that the City
j Council review the current concrete curb and gutter policy.
Councilmember Jacobson wondered if they want to postpone this item for a workshop because it
could take awhile to discuss. Councilmember Orttel did not think there was much left to discuss
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because they have reviewed it quite a few times and the question is if they want to stick with the
policy or not.
Mr. Berkowitz stated they do have a public hearing regarding this on April 5th and the workshop
at the end of the month is pretty full. He thought this should be decided by the public hearing.
Councilmember Trude stated the reason they require curb and gutter is to maintain the road for as
long as possible without having to replace it. This helps keep costs down and is a benefit to
residents.
Councilmember Orttel thought concrete curb and gutter is a real benefit to the residents and the
neighborhoods.
Councilmember Knight asked if there was a better way to educate people regarding this. Mr.
Berkowitz stated they can get information out a year earlier for reconstruction with a list of
benefits.
Mr. Berkowitz showed the area on the map that is affected by the assessment for new concrete
o curb and gutter.
Councilmember Trude wondered if they require concrete curb in areas where it is not needed.
Councilmember Orttel did not think they should apply this to a project already under way. Mr.
Berkowitz stated if they were to change the policy now, it would affect the project and it would
need to be postponed until next year.
Mr. Berkowitz stated he would like to work out a policy, bring it to the Council for discussion
and approval for future developments.
Councilmember Knight thought staff could provide an informative hand out for residents
regarding the concrete curb and gutter.
SCHEDULE GOAL SETTING WORKSHOP
City Administrator Dickinson explained the Council is requested to schedule a 2005 Council
Goal Setting Workshop and provide direction to the Administrator on workshop format and
content.
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Motion by Jacobson, Seconded by Gamache, to schedule a 2005 Council Goal Setting Workshop
for Tuesday, April 12, 2005 at 7:00 p,m. Motion carried unanimously.
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SCHEDULE EDA MEETING
Motion by Trude, Seconded by Jacobson, to schedule an EDA meeting for Tuesday, April 5,
2005 at 6:00 p,m. Motion carried unanimously.
Councilmember Trude wondered if anyone has applied for the EDA Commission. Mr.
Dickinson stated they have advertised and have received a couple of applications.
ADMINISTRATOR REPORT
City Administrator Dickinson updated the Council on the Community Center and Fire Station
Construction.
Community Development Director Neumeister updated the Council on development activity in
the City.
o City Engineer Berkowitz updated the Council on road improvements projects in the City.
Motion by Knight, Seconded by Trude, to participate with Ham Lake pursuant to the joint
powers agreement with Ham Lake to expend funds from the Road and Bridge Funds in an
amount not to exceed $20,000. Motion carried unanimously.
Motion by Jacobson, Seconded by Knight, to authorize the hiring of the company to provide
service for lining sewer lines. Motion carried unanimously.
MAYOR/COUNCIL INPUT
(Train Whistle) - Councilmember Jacobson stated he wants to stay on top of the train whistle issue
and he would like a report at the next meeting.
Motion by Trude, Seconded by Jacobson, to set an official meeting for the March 31,2005 Anoka
County Elected Officials Meeting at 5:00 p.m. and to include declaring an official meeting at the
Mayors Prayer Breakfast on March 18,2005 at 7:00 a.m. Motion carried unanimously.
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(Lions Thank You) - Mayor Gamache stated he talked to the Lions regarding the Mayors' Prayer
Breakfast to see if they would be interested in working with them on the breakfast and they have
given a nice donation to help offset the costs with Youth First. They are also participating with the
speaker and the Minnesota Vikings to purchase books for Oak View Middle School and also the
High School. He wanted to thank the Lions for all of their help.
Motion by Knight, Seconded by Orttel, to adjourn. Motion carried unanimously. The meeting
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adjourned at 10:35 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Susan Osbeck, Recording Secretary