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HomeMy WebLinkAboutMarch 30, 1971 ~ eo r\c:l a.. :3 - 30 - ? J /. .5 not-7,"",obi Ie.. C, t'd: '" 4.r'I c.e.. ,.2. Son-le.rrr:. Re.1U.e.si Y.D "BuIIJ 6-... ~4.~e.. 3. ,lY)eIlJI<IJEL 0 Vdf'i...",c.1!. 4. V,'J/4.ge. 'Builde.rs Re.~/Je.lO.t -fd BuilJ Pan&1 J.lDoUs:.~.s: 5. C.httfn'\4.t\'.s F;+.IJ.. AdJln Pf'e.Jirll;ntr.-y ]:>/4+ b. ~CL'" 'Rid!J1L Milne r A meeting of the Grow Township Zoning and Planning Com~ission was held March 30, 1971 at Crooked Lake school. Chairman Norm Stout called the meeting to order at $:00 PM with Commission members Christenson, Jones, Langseth and Rither present. Minutes of the February 23, 1971 meeting were approved as read. Holasek arrived at 8:05 PM. Chairman announced that Mrs. Haas had requested to be on the agenda regarding the proposed snowmobile ordinance. Chairman asked Mrs. Haas to please corne fonlard. No response. Chairman asked if a spokesman for Mrs. Haas was present. No response. Chairman then reviewed meetings and discussions held on the proposed snowmobile ordinance stating that the ordinance adopts many of the State law provisions; that the ordinance will generally conform to the City of Coon Rapids ordinance; that the Crooked Lake Sno-Barons Snowmobile Club had assisted the Commission in drafting the proposed ordinance. Chairman asked for comments and discussion follm'led. Questions raised by the audience included, "vlhy must \'le copy the Coon Rapids ordinance?" and, "Why can't we just adopt the State of Minnesota code and have it over with?" Holasek replied that the proposed ordinance is an attempt to have a standardized county- wide ordinance and that most of the provisions are taken from the State law. Holasek noted that there are lots of complaints only because there are lots of violations. Objections to the curfew were heard. Chairman noted that in built-up residential areas it \'las felt to be a necessary provision while in less populated rural areas, where there are few homes it would be easy to stay 200 feet or more away from an occupied dwelling. A member of the audience asked how many Com~ission members owned snowmobiles and asked them to raise their hands. No hands were raised. Questioner stated that in her opinion a Commission whose memb~rs did not own snowmobiles could not corne up with a fair ordinance. Rither stated that he did not have a snowmobile; that he could not speak for the other members of the Commission; that maybe none of the Commission members could afford a snowmobile. Continuing, Rither stated that the Commission had worked with members of the Crooked Lake Sno-Barons Snowmobile Club in drafting the ordinance and if that was misrepresentation he would eat the Town Manual. Objections were again heard regarding the curfew provision. A member of audience stated that he felt they were being treated like kids. Mr. Eugene Boos noted that if he decided to run his lawn mower at 2:00 AM in the morning he would -2- March 30, 1971 . probably be thrown ln the "booby hatch." Discussion ended with no action to be taken. George Sonterre appeared before the Commission stating that he wanted to erect a garage on his property located at 16231 Valley Drive mi. Subject location is located in the R-3 Zoning District. In response to Commission questioning, Sonterre stated that the garage would be constructed of steel; measure thirty-six feet by forty-two feet; and be used to house one tractor truck with a gross weight of 12,000 pounds and one pick-up truck. Sonterre stated that he had contracted out to one out-fit and is in business for himself. Chairman announced that he would discuss the Zoning Regulations Ordinance with the audience while the Commission discussed the Sonterre proposal. Christenson discussed Ordinance requirements with Sonterre noting that accessory building' cannot be closer to public road than is the principal building; respective heights of accessory and principal buildings must be known; there was a limitation of one commercial vehicle; and that repair work was not permitted. Christenson stated that Sonterre should be given more detailed attention and that if that attention could not be given now, the Commission should plan to meet with Sonterre on another date. Commission agreed to meet with Sonterre on Friday, April 2, 1971, $:00 PM at the Crooked Lake school. Gilbert Menkveld appeared before the Commission and presented an application for variance stating that subject variance covers three parcels of land which were left off the new Zoning Map. Said variance involves 132 residential lots. Holasek asked what type of variance was wanted. Menkveld read from variance application: "I hereby request the Planning and Zoning Commissions approval of the lots as now subdivided and legally recorded in the Anoka County Courthouse. I hereby request that building permits be granted on each lot as now recorded." Menkveld stated that he had asked the Town Board to have the parcels placed on the map and that they were not. Christenson noted that the Town Board members were in the audience and that Menkveld should ask them and have the matter clarified. Winner said that he did not recall being asked to put them on the map; that he did not think it was necessary because Menkveld had recorded all of the lots. Menkveld stated that Schneider said to Winner, "You know where they are, put them on the map." Holasek stated that in his opinion, "The one in Section 15 should havp been included." Christenson asked Chairman to read from . . -3- March 30, 1971 . Zoning Regulations Urdinance, Variances and Appeals, Section 5.04 paragraphs one to five. Menkveld said that "These lots were of record prior to Ordinance adoption; that of twenty lots in one parcel, part were recorded in September and part in October; that part of lots were sold to GM Investment Company and that there was a mistake on the map." Holasek referred to lots in Section 17 and stated that "people will have to come in to the Zoning and Planning Co~~ission and ask for a Special Use Permit." Holasek noted that to his knowledge the plat was never submitted for approval. Menkveld stated that Winner surveyed it and that the roads were put in and accepted by the Board. Christenson stated that map and Ordinance was presented at a public hearing on August 4, 1970, adopted by the To\~ Board on October 21, 1970 and published on January 1, 1971. Stout stated that based on information he had obtained from the Anoka County Abstract office, in Section 17 there was no record in August or September of 1970 and that no deeds were recorded until October of 1970 and that a record in the name of Bonde was noted in November of 1970. Discussion was held regarding action to be taken on Menkveld variance application. Christenson stated that "we don't have to act on it, our Ordinance says that the Zoning and Planning Commission shall submit a report to the governing body." Menkveld stated that he wanted an answer either yes or no. Menkveld stated that he was obtaining the variance for all of the individual lot owners; that parcels located in Sections 2$ and 33 was or will be scheduled for sewer. Stout stated that some of the lots could be approved but not all of them. Discussion closed. Commission to submit report to Town Board. A representative of Village Builders appeared before the Commission stating that his firm had requested a building permit to erect panel houses in the township. Building Inspector Harold Langseth was asked to explnin why he did not issue permits. Langseth stated that some features of the panel homes did not meet the building code requirements. Langseth stated that the floors are constructed of two by fours on edge with plywood on either side; one-half inch rough-sawn plywood on outside walls with battens; battens do not increase the wall thickness; that the Code requires a double outside wall; that there is no bathroom window, that only a vent fan is provided; structural members on the floor is hemlock which is a low-grade material. Langseth noted that there was no mention of the number of holes to be cut in the floor panels and expressed concern that the holes to be cut by the plumbers, . , -4- March 30, 1971 . electricians, and for air ducts would weaken the floor. A member of the audience asked what the life expectancy was on the homes. Langseth replied that in his opinion, "some trailer homes will last longer." Langseth noted that the homes are 24 feet wide with center support; that he had given the firm's construction superintendant a 'coPy'of the Grow Township building code but that the superintendant did not read it. Mr. Bill Hall stated that "If the homes do not meet the code they should be rejected." The representative of the firm stated that this is the home of the future and that the State is going to adopt a uniform building code which will allow the homes to be erected. A member of the audience noted that the panel or modular homes under discussion are not built to conventional standards, that the firms producing the homes can build the homes with better materials but the firms will not do so. The firm representative stated that the homes will sell for $25,900 and are of various floor plans and sizes. Chairman Stout noted that the building code must be followed. Langseth noted that the homes were proposed to be erected in the Red Oaks Manor area. r~s. Pat Bjorkland stated that if the homes do not meet the building code they should not be allowed. Chairman Stout asked what action the Commission should take. Christenson stated that the Building Inspector had denied the permit based on the building code, that the Commission supports the decision and that is all that is necessary. Discussion ended with no action to be taken. Bob Chapman appeared before the Commission regarding preliminary plat legally described as Chapman's Fifth Addition, Section 32, T32 R24, Anoka County Minnesota. Discussion was held regarding location of subject plat, whether it was located within the R-I or R-3 Zoning District. Zoning Regulations Ordinance Section 4.04, Lot Provisions, paragraph E was discussed. Chairman asked Chapman if he could meet with the Commission on Friday, April 2, 1971 and continue discussion on the preliminary plat. Chapman stated that would be acceptable and that if he could not meet on that date he would arrange to have his representative there. John Wallenbecker and Ken Barthel appeared before the Commission regarding Oak Ridge Manor, Section 17, T32 R24, Anoka County Minnesota. Wallenbecker presented plat of subject area. Wallenbecker stated that the plat had been approved and that now someone had been questioning the activity taking place in his area. Wallenbecker wanted to know who signed the letter which was sent to the township Building Inspector from the township attorney. , , -5- March 30, 1971 L Rither obtained let~er from Harold Langseth ana read subject letter to the Commission. Letter stated that it had been brought to the attorney's attention that the square footage of the homes on Tulip Street did not conform to the Ordinance and that the lot width of many of the lots did not conform to the Ordinance. The letter requested Langseth to submit a report regarding the matter to the attorney. Rither read minutes of November 24, 1970 Commission meeting at which time John Wallenbecker and James Conroy appeared before the Commission regarding a metes and bounds plat of Oak Ridge I~nor. Discussion was held regarding computation of square footage and floor area. Wallenbecker stated that on the homes in question part of the lower level is counted as part of the total square footage, that it can be lived in and finished off. Christenson read the definitions of floorareas:and basement as set forth in the Zoning Regulations Ordinance. After discussion, Wallenbecker stated that they had misinterpreted the definition. Barthel disagreed, saying that they had interpreted the Ordinance definition correctly. Barthel stated that he had installed culvert and has gotten along well with Langseth as building inspector. Wal1enbecker stated that he would contact attorney regarding matter. Christenson stated that you must build according to the R-2 zoning requirements. Barthel stated that they had a lot of money involved and that it might mean a lawsuit. Barthel asked several times, "Who signed the letter?" Barthel stated that "You should know all about the sizes of the houses and lots, you were out there with your rulers.measuring." Chairman Stout stated that "Plat was approved but houses must be 1200 square feet." Holasek asked Stout to repeat his statement for Rither so it could be entered in the minutes. Stout noted that he had written statement on the plat presented by Wallenbecker and Barthel. Barthel stated that someone had said that subject plat was not the same one that was submitted at the meeting on November 24, 19~. Wallenbecker stated that one copy of the plat was left with the Commission. Rither stated that Conroy had the plat and took the only copy with him. There being no further business to come before the Commission it was moved by Holasek and seconded by Jones to adjourn. No vote was taken. Robert A. Rither, Clerk, Zoning and Planning Commission.