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PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION
REGULAR MEETING - DECEMBER 23, 1975
AGENDA
Approval of Minutes
1. Comm. 1112-75-3 Norbert Tempel - Lot Size Review
2. Comm. fflO-75-1 Ed Fields Preliminary Plat Public Hearing
3. Comm. fflO-75-5 Parking Ordinance
4. Comm. 1111-75-3 Private Sanitary Sewer Ordinance
Publish: December 19, 1975
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REGULAR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING
DECEMBER 23, 1975
MINUTES
The Regular Meeting of the Andover Planning and Zoning Commission
was called to order at 7:45 P.M. by Chairman Dave Jack, on December
23, 1975 at the Andover Community Center, 1685 Crosstown Boulevard NH,
Anoka, Minnesota 55303.
Commissioners Present: Mark Arnold, Ken Heil, Art Jaworski, Arleane
Nehring, and Ken Orttel
Commissioner Absent: Dean Johnson
Also Present:
from T.K.D.A.;
Wally Arntzen,
Andover Mayor, Richard Schneider, Rex Stockwell, Engineer
Jim Thurston, Building Inspector (arrived at 8:00);
Building Official (arrived at 9:45); and others
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Motion by Commissioner Heil, seconded by Commissioner Nehring, to accept
the Minutes of December 9, 1975 as written. Vote on motion: yes-
Jack, Jaworski, Heil, Orttel, Nehring; present - Arnold. Motion carried.
Agenda Change of Order
Norbert Tempel was not present at this time. Motion by Chairman Jack,
seconded by Commissioner Heil, to place Agenda item #1 - Norbert
Tempel - at the last of the Agenda in the event Mr. Tempel arrives
late. Motion carried unanimously.
Ed Fields Preliminary Plat Public Hearing (Comm. #10-75-1)
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Ed Fields and Rick Foste~ of John Oliver and Associates, presented
the Preliminary Plat of Fields' Addition. A Variance is requested
because Lot #1, Lot #2, and Lot #3 don't meet the Zoning width requirement
of 300 feet; although, all of the lots meet the 2~ acre minimum
requirement. Some of the items discussed were: 1) how much of this
land (13.2 acres) is buildable; 2) the water table and how it would
affect building; 3) 870' minimum elevation should be set as standard
for first floor elevation; 4) width of roadway. 66' is minimum width
required but Mr. Fields suggested the road might be widened to allow
for future use. It was decided that all of South Coon Creek Drive
would have to be widened, not just the portion in front of Fields'
Addition. 5) park land dedication or money in lieu of land. Mr.
Fields will pay rather than dedicate land. The Commission would suggest
the Park Board ask for an easement for building setback so that buildings
aren't built too close to the Creek.
Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting
Minutes - December 23, 1975
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Rex Stockwell presented a letter from T.K.D.A. dated December 22, 1975
in regard to a 100 year flood study. The reasonable estimate for a
100 year flood along Coon Creek is approximately seven feet above the
low water elevation for the Creek.
Engineer Stockwell discussed with the Commissioners a letter from
T.K.D.A. of 12-17-75 and a letter in response from John Oliver dated
12-19-75 (copies attached). Item #10, Coon Creek Hatershed District
review, must be complied with; and, also, item #11, soil borings and
percolation tests, has not been done at this time.
Motion by Commissioner Arnold that the Public Hearing on Fields' Preliminary
Plat be closed. No second. Motion died. Motion by Commissioner Jaworski,
seconded by Commissioner Heil, that the Public Hearing for the Preliminary
Plat of Fields' Addition be continued until the Planning and Zoning
Commission receives Soil Borings information. Amendment by Commissioner
Jaworski, seconded by Commissioner Orttel, to include in the motion
Engineer's comments on the Soil Borings, Park Board review and the
Coon Creek Hatershed District review. Motion and amendment carried
unanimously. This will be the first item of business on the Agenda
of January 13, 1976.
Parking Ordinance (Comm. #10-75-5)
This proposed ordinance is referred back to the Planning and Zoning
Commission from the City Council for further review and revision.
The Commissioners received copy of a letter from Attorney William G.
Hawkins dated 11-12-75 (copy attached) with his comments and ideas
on the proposed ordinance.
The Commissioners discussed Attorney Hawkins comments, the amount of
snowfall to require vehicle removal, and Ordinance 8 covering truck
parking. Motion by Commissioner Orttel, seconded by Commissioner
Arnold, that the Planning and Zoning Commission amend the proposed
parking Ordinance as per the Attorney's recommendations; under
#1 of his letter to add to snowfall "1 inch or more", and 1f2 of
his letter to replace that portion of Section 8 to read as he suggests;
delete the wording in Section 4 of the proposed Ordinance and replace
with "with reference to trucks see Ordinance 8.08 Section C 3 & 4;
and we resubmit this to the City Council for their action. Motion
carried unanimously.
Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting
Minutes - December 23, 1975
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Proposed Private Sanitary Sewer Ordinance (Comm. #11-75-3)
Commissioners received a copy of a letter (copy attached) from Roger
E. Machmeier, Extension Agricultural Engineer, which W$ sent to Hally
Arntzen regarding Septic Maintenance.
The Commissioners again discussed the maintenance portion of the Proposed
Ordinance. Mr. Arntzen explained to the Commission how septic systems
work and/or fail. He stated that there should be a regular, mandatory,
monitored, maintenance program for septic systems and this proposed
ordinance, as is, is his feeling on that matter.
The Commission and Mr. Arntzen discussed 1) septic inspections _
how they are done, who can do them, how often they should be inspected,
2) pumping - how often it should be done, why pumping is necessary,
3) enforcing the ordinance, 4) penalizing people who maintain their
systems by adopting this ordinance,S) sending out informational letters
to home owners regarding inspections and maintenance, and 6) asking
Ham Lake for a copy of their proposed Septic Ordinance.
Motion by Commissioner Arnold, seconded by Commissioner Jaworski, that
the Planning and Zoning Commission recommend to the City Council approval
of the proposed Private Sanitary Sewer Ordinance with the following
modifications: page 20 - Section 7A to be reworded as follows: each
owner of property containing an existing sewage disposal system shall,
within 24 months from and after the date of adoption of this ordinance
and during each subsequent 24 month period, perform one of the following:
#1 forward to the City, on prescribed forms, varification that
said system has been pumped.
#2 forward to the City an affidavit, signed by the Building
Official or other designated representative, indicating
that an inspection of such system has resulted in a deter-
mination that pumping is unnecessary. A reasonable fee
for such service shall be established by the City and charged
to the individual requesting such inspection.
#3 The City shall supply the appropriate forms.
(This will be a substitute for Section 7A and 7B.)
Mr. Arntzen stated the Commission should take another look at #2 because
the City could have problems and perhaps be liable for septic failures
after an inspection. Vote on motion: yes - Chairman Jack; no - Commissioner
Jaworski, Commissioner Hei1, Commissioner Orttel, Commissioner Nehring,
Commissioner Arnold. Motion defeated.
Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting
Minutes - December 23, 1975
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Motion by Commissioner Heil, seconded by Commissioner Jaworski, to
continue this to the next meeting. Motion carried unanimously.
Norbert Tempel - Lot Size Review (Comm. #12-75-3)
Norbert Tempel presented a legal description, which was requested at
the December 9th Planning and Zoning meeting, of the lot created by
the Andover City Sewer Project. Motion by Commissioner Heil, seconded
by Commissioner Jaworski, that the Planning and Zoning Commission
recommend that the City Council waive platting by adoption of resolution
as parcel was created by City Action - Sewer Project 75-1 - siting
as set forth in Ordinance lOA Section 14.01 last paragraph. Motion
carried unanimously.
Ad;ournment
Motion by Commissioner Orttel, seconded by Commissioner Arnold, to
adjourn. Motion carried unanimously.
Meeting adjourned at 11:15 P.M.
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TOLTZ, KING, DUVALL, ANDERSON AND ASSOCIATES INCORPORATED
ENGINEERS AND ARCHITECTS
1406 PIONEER BUILDING
SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA
55101 224-7891
December 17, 1975
RICHARD M. BARKER
OWEN J. BEATTY
OARREl... H. BERKOWITZ.
RCSERT A. BOYER
JA"'ES C. BROTE:--;'
ARNDT J. D'JVA~~
Hu~O Q. ERICKSO"'-
Wi_LlA~ J FEY:JE~
ROYCE S. r1AI',S~.'
STEPHEN M. t-lART;...P
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~08ERT R. RY~ER
WILL.!AM ;. SHERICA'"
ABE J. SPERL.I.....G
WALTER W, THCRoE
JAMES E VC'Y'EN
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I."dovL'" Planning and Zoning Commission
i\nelover, Minnesota 55303
:~ f.:: Fields Addition Preliminary Plat
Andover General Engineering
Commission No. 6223-75
GEORGE J. SCHROEPFE~
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(_~,'ntlemen:
We have reviewed the Fields Addition Preliminary Plat as requested. The
'"l1owing are our comments regarding the proposed plat:
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South Coon Creek Drive has been designated as a Municipal State Aid
Roadway within the urban planning area. The M. S. A. H. System within
the urban planning area requires a right-of-way, width of 66 feet. The
existing 661 right-of-way will be adequate for the future planned thoroughfare.
2. During di'lcussion of the sketch plan for the proposed plat the developer
indicated that a realignment of the existing roadway right..of-way may be
appropriate. There is no indication of this realignment on the Preliminary
Plat.
3. The required lot width for R-l Zoning is 330 feet. Lots 1, 2, and 3 as pro-
posed do not meet this requirement. The developer has requested a variance
for lot width for the three lots.
4. The Preliminary Plat should indicate the total acreage to the nearest O. I
acre within the plat excluding public lands. (8,02-b)
5. The location, width and lype of surfacing of the existing street should be
indicated. (8.02-f)
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Andover City Council
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6. No overall grading plan has been submitted with the Preliminary Plat.
H is assumed by the engineer that no significant grading of the sites is
planned. (8.03-d)
7. The square footage of all proposed lots has not been indicated. (8.03-e)
tl. The Preliminary Plat should indicate the surface drainage will be natu ral
overland drainage. (8.03-h)
-I. The Commission and Park Board must review park land or free dedication.
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The proposed plat is located between South Coon Creek Drive and Coon
Creek. A portion of the area is located with the flood plains of Coon Creek.
Thl' elevated area fronting on South Coon Creek Drive will be adequate for
j"csidential development as indicated in the "Inventory and Evaluation" pre-
pared by the Anoka County Soil Conservation Service. We have contacted the
SCS and Coon Creek Watershed District. The Coon Creek Watershed Engineer
'-las indicated that the Board would like to review all proposed plats included
lD the flood management area directly with the developer.
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II. Soil boring and precolation tests will be required for the proposed plat prior
to plat approval. The location of these borings will be selected by the Engineer
after field inspection of the site.
We will review this letter with the Planning and Zoning Commission at the Decelnber 23,
j 975 meeting.
Very truly yours,
TOLTZ, KING, DUVALL, ANDERSON
AND ASSOCIATES, INCORPORATED
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cc; Mr. Ed Fields - Developer
Mr. John Oliver - Surveyor
Mr. Norman Werner - Administrator
Mr. Walter Arntzen - Administrative Assistant
'. ) Mrs. Patricia K. Lindquist ~ City Clerk
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December 19, 1975
Andover Planning & Zoning Commission
Andover, Mn. 55303
Re: Proposed FIELDS' ADDITION
Gentlemen:
In response to the letter of December 17, 1975, from Mr. Rex Stockwell of TKDA
regarding said plat, I have the following comments:
1. Requires no comment.
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2. When the Anoka County Surveyors Office first drew the half-section map for this
area, they did so from an aerial photograph. At that time, the Township Road
veered northerly before turning southwesterly, thus forming a "hump" in the
alignment. Shortly after the half section was drawn, Grow Township straightened
out this "hump" resulting in the existing alignment as shown on our preliminary
plat. Shortly after the sketch plan meeting with the Planning Commission,
Mr. Fields and I noticed that the "hump" was gone. After being informed of this,
~r. R. W. Anderson, Anoka County Surveyor, checked more recent photos and told
me that he would up-date the half-section sheet so it would reflect the present
alignment. The only realignment discussed at the Planning Commission meeting
for the sketch plan was to eliminate this hump. Since this had already been
accomplished, no other alignment changes are contemplated or expected.
3. I believe Mr. Fields filed the application for this variance several weeks ago.
4. The area excluding roads is 12.74 acres, more or less. I have added this on the
drawing after the legal description.
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South Coon Creek Drive is presently sand
This has also been added to the drawing.
shown on the drawing.
and approximately 24 to 28 feet wide.
The center line of the road is and was
6. The assumption is correct.
7. This has been added.
8. This has been added in the notes.
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December 19, 1975
Andover Planning & Zoning Commission
Re: Proposed FIELDS' ADDITION
9. No comment.
10. Please note the remarks on record high water elevation added to drawing on
December 4, 1975.
11. Please let us know as soon as possible these desired boring locations. In the
meantime, we will contact Mr. Fields as to who he wishes to have to do these
borings.
We have enclosed several prints with the changes as noted above.
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1. Umler ~ectlon 5 it provides that following A Bnow fa! I
It in unlawful to pa1'l{ a vehicle on a city strec!.. 1'P-I'llEIpn
It wou~d b~ bettcr, n1nce thIs would apply to Any AllOW
raIl, to nnt R oC1'to1n Gnaw dnpth or r;tvc the rond ndlll.t'lllit,r'llt.or
the HHt110rl ty to declare a SIlOW eml~re;ency and reqlll 1'1' vf~1I \ p 1'>1\
to he parked only on certain streets at cer.tain t 11111'[1.
? I would 1'ecoHllllend that Section 8 be amended to pend 1111
follown: "Upon proof that Ii certain vehicle waR IJI\I'I{l'd, Ilt.OI'tHl,
01' allowed to ot.and :1.n vlolntlon of thiu ol'cl.lflfHICP alld tlllll. it
r,(,l'l;nln IWJ'llon 1::1 tlw J'nr;tfltcrnd own()t' or lInld vnlt1c:l". 1,11111
11111\11 h~ pt'!mll /'Ilr.l" ,.vldI'IIC:~ Lllat; IIlwh pprlllHl nOllllnlttl'd 0/'
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1Il1l1l11~,'l'aUty han the power to r()I~111ntc) the IHll'l('",~ of' '"'11".,,,
'.lll pl1"llc fltr'cete. ^.lno, there :1.8 nl1thorlty tlnd'~r' '!lIllh 1111'~
Jerr,lnlatlon authorlzl'''rr. zoning to r'estrict off-ntl'cp,t p!lJ'I{lnf~
of' c:e)'f;111n tYPC(I of vel'dcles. It would be my recomrllnlllli, L 11'",
however', if the Council chooses this route, to clefll'l.y dct'llll1
I-that vehicles ll.re being allowed and which onea are being
prohilJited.
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Other than the above mentioned provisions, I see no obJeotion to
adnption of thin ordinance.
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AGRICULTURAL EXTENSION SERVICE
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UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA Department of Agricultural Engineering
St. Paul. Minnesota 55108
December 22, 1975
\~rtlly Arntzen
~Iilding Official
City of Andover
IGB5 Crosstown Boulevard N.W.
Anoka, Minnesota 55303
SUBJECT: Septic tank maintenance.
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As you know, the primary maintenance in a septic tank is periodic removnl
oE the accumulated solids. Basically, the septic tank sepnrates the slljidf,
from the liquids. Some solids float to the surface and remain in the fln:1ting
scum layer while others settle to the bottom of the tank and acCUmUliJle,ll
the sludge layer. During bacterial activity some of the solids do chnn;;'2
in density and move from the scum layer to the sludge layer or vice vcrs;].
Hhile it is dangerous to present information on averages, I suggest d) lll'
homeowners that a minimum size septic tank for a three bedroom home 1I~"" '"1
n yenr-around basis will likely require solids removal every two to lllr",
ye;lrs. J further suggest that it is usnally good economy to ins t;, J j ;, cd, ,;" t'LY
larger tank than the minimum size. This will provide for extra so:Lid"
accumulation and a less frequent removal schedule. Size is only one j';ll:1 q(
,~hicil affects the frequency of solids removal. The other fnctol" of co",~""
ir, the rate at which solids are deposited in the septic tank. The im; L;, 1.-
lation of a garbage grinder, for example, approximately dOlililes the ~ate~
at which solids are deposited in the septic tank and therefore accumulate.
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You inquired about the advisability of scheduling an established frequency
[01" the removal of septic tank solids. An obvious advantage of this "','0"1"",
l"illlld hf~ th:lt thr'! home (n-lner ,.,rould h~ fOrC(I(l to h;1VC h-i s sept ir. t;illk 'i f
(III .) i.pgllLllo hnsis. HhC':thcr or not the tnnk \.Joulcl nctu;111y dl"'l! if-l il . ,Ji'
,,01 idR removed would depend upon the factors which I have disCllf;Sf'O "i,,,',,,
It is likely that some home OIvners would need to have the solids rl'lnov.:r;
wId Ie I feel the majority of the home owners would not need to have sel'l i ('
tank solids removed every year. However, it is advisable to have the hCJII'f'
owners aware of the fact that they do have a septic tank working for lilelo
I think it is advisable to strongly sugGest or even require that they inni'cct
the septic tank on an annual basis. This way, they will make an investiga-
tion and determine how much sludge and scum actually are in their septic
tank.
The ohviouR disadvantage of requiring pumping on a predetermined time f;(~II('rll"C
jq that thil': penalizes that individual who followed the suggestion of ill'
stalling a septic tank with greater than minimum capacity. The filmily WIIO
does not own a garbage grinder and carefully does not deposit large mr,Ollne"
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of cooking fats, coffee grounds and other insoluble material is also penalized.
I certainly agree that maintenance of a septic tank by periodic removal of
the solids is highly desirable. It is also desirable that the home owner
provide such maintenance on a voluntary basis because he understands its
!rllllortance. It is further desirable that those families who use a septic
,,,"k \.Ji tit care are not penal.i,-ed for the actionfl of those who are Cill-''''',i".
","lldl>:i "u or tiles" eon,;l,leraLJuns are dLfficult if not iU'l'O,;,;!bJ" to ,'''"i-
I, i"" into an ordinance.
I would suggest the development of a short information sheet which explains
the need for removal of septic tank solids and how the home owner can measure
':hose solids. I would further suggest a voluntary reporting form which the
'wllle O\J11er can send in to your office for an evaluation of whether or lIot the
"",I "(~" need to be removed.
l"y experj.'~nce with home owners has been that if they are advised of the
rl<,ed to per form certain maintenance and the losses which they might incur
,;0 '.hat lllaintenance not be performed, they will be willing to cooperate.
! 'woe that my opinions and comments will be helpful to you in your very
I.lIIportant program of maintenance for home sewage treatment systems.
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