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HomeMy WebLinkAboutApril 29, 1975 , , /. " '- >J \ I '- / Cf:DVl1 @V RJ[):]@@ '0j'!l!E ) PLANNIN'G AND ZONING COMMISSION Regular Meeting - April 29. 1975 AGENDA 1. Comm. #11-74-1 Faddler I s Fifth Addition (Preliminary Plat - Cont. ) . 2. # 4-75-1 D. R. Conger (Variance) 3. # 3-75-1 Round Oak Estates - K. Harstad (Sketch Plan) 4. # 6-74-5 The Oaks - G. Windschitl (Preliminary Plat) 5. # 3-75,.2 . Ron Smith (Sketch Plan) 6. # 4-75-3 Review of Platting Procedure / I 7. # 4-75-2 Discussion on Park Dedications 8. #12_74_5 Optional Item - Shoreland Zoning , ) f I ) i '\ (') ,~) '-- C'7Y 01 ANDOVER '\ , ) ~) REGULAR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING APRIL 29, 1975 MINUTES The Regular Meeting of the Andover Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting was called to order by Chairman, Allan Miles, April 29, 1975, 7:30 P.M., at the Andover Community Center, 1685 Crosstown Blvd. N. W., Anoka, Minnesota. Commissioners Present: Jaworski, Johnson, Jack, and Heil Commissioners Absent : None Also Present: Appointed Commissioners to take office May 1, Arlene Nehring, Mark Ar no ld, and Kenneth Orttel. Chairman Miles introduced the newly appointed ,:::::ommissioners, and furnished them with City Ordinances. Chairman Miles noted that this would be his last meeting as a Commissioner and Commission Chairman, and requested that the duties of this meeting be shared with the incoming Chairman, David Jack. '10rdinancesNo. 11 and No. lIB were distributed to all the members. '-.../ Approval of Minutes MOTION by Johnson, seconded by Miles, that the Minutes of April 8, 1975, be approved as written. Motion carried unanimously. Metropolitan Council Correspondence Chairman Miles read a letter from John Boland of the Council, and requested that copies be furnished to the Commission. It was also noted that a Public Hearing held by the D. N. R. was coming up on May 5 in St. Paul. The Commission Members were urged to attend. Faddler's Fifth Addition (Comm. #11-74-1) The Public Hearing on the Preliminary Plat of Faddler's Fifth Addition was reconvened. Acting Chairman, Jack read comments received from T. K. D. A. in full, and noted that Roger Anderson of T. K. D. A. was in attendance. General discussion ensued on drainage and future traffic patterns, and the three different-types of v'ariances; with Jaworski questioning the inclusion of three double frontage lots and three lots requiring width variances. Commissioners Miles, Jack, and Johnson felt that '\ these variances would not circumvent the Platting Ordinance. , ) ~ : ) \ \ , ) \ Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting - April 29, 1975 Minutes - Page 2 \ I / Faddler' s Fifth Addition (Continued) Commissioner Jack stated that he was not sure what the Commission action would be until the City Council and the Developer worked out a solution to the different road problems. Chairman Miles felt that three items should be resolved, ie, 1) Mr. Faddler should have some assurance that the Council would react favorably to these variance requests, 2) the Planning and Zoning Commission should write to the City Council on the problem of l69th Avenue and l69th Lane, 3) should the Developer or the City be required to up-date l69th and 1 70th in Sylvester's Addition for drainage, etc., Mr. Faddler, or Mr. Winner would be available at the Council Meeting on May 20th for a short discussion on these matters. Engineer Anderson agreed to put alternatives in writing for the Planning and Zoning Commission and the City Council, with regard to the roads. MOTION by Miles, seconded by Johnson, that the Public Hearing on Faddler' s Fifth Addition, Preliminary Plat, be continued. Motion carried unanimously. Commissioner Jaworski emphasized that the City Council must bear in mind the setting of a precedence in granting so many variances, even if they are not serious. D. R. Conger Variance (Comm. #4-75-1) Mr. Conger explained the need for the variance, and noted they would be using the , building for hay and equipment storage. After some discussion, Acting Chairman , )Jack, read a letter from Walter L. Arnzen, City Building Official, recommending denial of the variance (Congers were furnished a copy). Acting Chairman Jack advised the applicants of the legal problems they faced in conveying the 2 1/2 acre parcel back to the 7 1/2 acres outstanding, thus making a 10 acre parcel. He noted that this would have to be done by the Conger's own attorney. Commissioner Miles took exception to Mr. Arntzen's reference to Ordinance 8, Section 8.20 (Use of sheet metal). MOTION by Johnson, seconded by to table the Variance Request for one month, thus giving the Congers time to clear-up some of the items. Vote: Yes - Johnson, Jack, Jaworski, Miles; Abstain - Heil. The Oaks - Preliminary Plat (Comm. #6-74-5) Acting Commissioner Jack called a Public Hearing for the Preliminary Plat of The Oaks for Mr. & Mrs. Gerald Windschitl. Engineer Anderson read his comments on the Plat. Item, to be corrected or changed wasc the extension of Partridge Street 70 feet further south. After full discussion, it was agreed that Mr. Windschitl shall provide road and utility easements only to the property line. All other items were met, with the exception of l-C on the soils report. Mr. Windschitl furnished Engineer Anderson with additional information, however, time would be needed to evaluate the reports :from the Soils and Materials Engineers. Mr. Windschitl "agreed to the requirements of blacktop streets; but stated that the ordinance seems /to be superceded by the Engineer's Standards. The Planning and Zoning Commission pointed out Section 9.02 in Ordinance 20, which was verified by Engineer Anderson. . / 1 , j Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes - Page 3 - ) , ~ , ~.J / " / - April 29, 1975 " ) The Oaks (Continued) MOTION by Jack, seconded by Johnson, that the Planning and Zoning Commission recommend to the Andover City Council, their approval of the Preliminary Plat, "The Oaks", of Mr. and Mrs. Gerald Windschitl, subject to additional soil evaluation by T. K. D. A. Reasons for recom.mendation as follows: 1. The Plat meets all criteria of Andover Platting Ordinances No. 10 and No. lOA. 2. Items included in T. K. D. A. Report, dated April 24, 1975, were discussed and the Commission agreed that all items were met with the exception of I-C. 3. Patridge Street shall end in a cuI de sac 70 feet short of the property line, but road and utility easements shall extend to the south property line. Motion carried unanimously. Ron Smith Sketch Plan (Comm. #3-75-2) The Sketch Plan was reviewed by the Commission. It was noted that this was the former "Hunt" farm on 7th Avenue. Engineer Anderson read his comments on the Sketch. Discussion ensued on 1) the cemetary located in the proposed platted area, and 2) park dedication problems (low land). Commissioner Jack noted that low land was not acceptable to the City at this time, and advised Mr. Smith to meet ,with the Park Advisory Board on this matter. Further discussion was tabled until , )May 13, 1975. Platting Procedure (Comm. #4-75-3) Engineer Anderson noted that he would like written comments on his suggested platting procedures. Commissioner Miles requested that T. K. D. A. generate workable changes on any ordinance they may be dealing with in relationship to the Community Development Plan; said changes to be brought to the Commission for discussion. Adjournment MOTION by Jaworski, seconded by Johnson, that the meeting adjourn. Motion carried unanimously. Meeting adjourned - 11 :05 P. M. ;- ) . " ,_ I " .0 ',_ .J , J , I TKDA TOLTZ, KING, DUVALL, ANDERSON AND ASSOCIATES INCORPORATED ENG1!'lEERS AND ARCHITECTS April 29, 1975 1408 PIONEER BUILDING SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 224-7891 Re: Smith-Anderson Sketch Plan Andover City Engineering Commission No. 6223-75 RICHARD M. BARKF:R OWEN J. OEI\ITY OARRtL. H. BE.RKOWITZ ROBERT A. DOYER JAMES C. BROi-EN ARNDT J. DUVALL HUGO G. ERICKS:J~ WILLIAM J. FEYCER ROYCE B HAN~,Etl STE:PHEh1 M. HARTLEY C.L1FFOR:) E. JOH~ZON Du'lJAYNE R. K.':"SMA J. T:-IOMAS KIRK DAVID \"1. KIRKWOLO A. DEAN LUNDHOLM ROBERT T. MALCNEY RICHARD D. MENKEN LEONARD G. MILLER WAYNE A. OLse-'" DU.\~'tE T. PREW nUCOLPH P. HAITOR ROBER. R. RYOEH V'!!L!...'/'.~_~ T. S:-:E:1!C'}\!-.t AnE J. S~ERLn~G ARNOLD M. SiLFFE.S WALTER W. THO:;r-:: JA~.~ES E. VOYFN N~THAN F. \VE!jER Honorable Chairman and Planning Commission City of Andover, Minnesota 55303 Gentlemen: GEOR~EJ. SCHROEPFER CLIFFORD W. HAM8LH~ "'We have reviewed the following sketch plan as r('ll"~sted by the Planning and Zoning , .-I Commission: 1. Smith-Anderson, Inc. - Sketch Plan a. The following lots will require lot width variances to comply with Ordinance 8 requirements: Block I, Block 2 Block 4' Block 1 , Lots 3, 4, 'S, -6, 7.. 8, 9 Lots 2, 3, 4,' 5,' 9, 10, 11, 12 Lots 1 - 8 Lots I, 2' (Second Sheet) b. Lot 9, Block 1 will require a variance for double frontage. c. The proposed plat could be revised to more closely conform to the ease- ment for the 6" gas main. As shown, it cuts directly through several lots. The width of the easement should be shown so the effect of the pipe- line location could be realized. \ ,) d. All lots east of CSAH No.7 could be served by non-collector streets, eliminating the need for a service road. e. The block number of the second sheet should be Block '7 to eliminate repetition. ., .. .. r'" \ . '- ) \ " /" " \ " j , ) -, '- I --.tIonorab1e Chairman and Planning Commission April 29, 1975 Page Two . f. An easement should be granted for the service road on the portion of the plat on County Road No. 58. g. The total park land dedication should be 10o/c of 129.2 acres or 12.9 acres. The area shown is 8.9 acres. h. Outlots (Lot I, Block 5) are prohibited by Ordinance 10. . <D Extending 162nd Lane- N. W. to meet CSAH 7 may diminish inte rna1 local tra.ffic in the southern portion of the platted area, by providing a logical outlet to the major north- south transportation route. We will review these comments with the Planning and Zoning Commission at the April 29, 1975 meeting. -_J Very truly yours, TOLTZ, KING, DUVALL, ANDERSON AND ASSOCIATES, INCORPORATED RAA:vlo t2~'h /) Roger A'; Anderson 4/" /) J - I /.' "oCt J. t"Yl--- cc: Mr. Walter Arntzen, Building Official Mrs. Pat Lindquist, Deputy Clerk '-. ,,-j " C) () ( ) :~ \ " / \ \, / TKDA TOLTZ, KING, DUVALL, ANDERSON AND ASSOCIATES INCORPORATED ENGINEERS AND ARCHITECTS April 24, 1975 1408 PIONEER BUILDING SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101 224-7891 Re: Review of Preliminary Plats Andover City Engineering Commission No. 6223-75 RICHARD M. BARKER OWEN J. BEATTY CARREL H. BERKOWITZ ROBERT A. BOYER JAMES C. BROTEN ARNDT J. DUVALL HUGO G. ERICKSON WILLIAM J. FEYOER ROYCE B. HANSEN STEPHEN M. HARTLEY CLIFFORD E. JOHNSON DUWAYNE R. KASMA J. THOMAS KIRK DAVID W. KIRKWOLD A. DEAN LUNDHOLM ROBERT T, MALONEY RICHARD D. MENKEN LEONARD G, MILLER WAYNE A. OLSON DUANE T. PREW RUDOLPH P. RA1TOR ROBERT R. RYDER WIL.LlAM T. SHERIDAN ABE J. SPERLING ARNOLD M. STEFFES WALTER W. THORPE JAMES E. VOYEN NATHAN F. WEBER Honorable Chairman and Planning Commission City of Andover, Minnesota Gentlemen: GEORGEJ. SCHROEPFER CLlFFORD W. HAMBLlN We have reviewed the following sketch and preliminary plans as requested by the Planning and Zoning Commission. ) 1) The Oaks - Preliminary Plat a) The right-of-way for Partridge Street Northwest should be extended to the southern boundary of the plat. The cul-de-sac could remain as shown,or be brought to the end of the right- of-way. This right-of-way is necessary to allow for development south of this area. Although this street may not be extended in the near future, it appears a logical traffic route for future use. b) The' soil information supplied indicates individual sewage disposal systems will function satisfactorily in this area. c) The soil report also indicated that a layer of peat approximately two feet deep existed which may cause settlement under load. The loading conditions in this situation include botl-. foundation loads and proposed street vehicle loads. We request further testing to determine the bearing capacity of these soils and to evaluate the suitability of this area for home and street construction. \. \ ) I I J ( ) ,,-) C) :~ ) \ I Honorable Chairman and Planning Commission April 24, 1975 Page Two d) It would appear that several lots east of Partridge Street North- west will require fill to make them buildable lots. in which case a special use permit will be required. The street grade could be changed from lo/c to . 5o/c to gain additional material for fill and still meet ordinance requirements. e) The mean lot depth of Lots 1, 2, 3. Block 1 is less than the required 130 feet for R-4 zoning. f) The proposed park land dedication is 15o/c of the total land area, and meets ordinance requirments. ') ~.I g) The adopted policy for street construction in this area is to require an urban street section with blacktop surfacing and curb and gutter, as is shown on the grading plan and street profile. 2. Faddler's Fifth Addition - Preliminary Hat a) Variances will be required for the following lots: Lot size variances; Lot width variances; Double frontage variances; Lots 1...3. Block 2 Lots 3. 6, 7. Block 2 Lots 2. 5, 6, 7, Block 2 b) The future re- subdivision plan provides for logical future development. c} The surface water drainage plan meets the engineering criteria of the platting 0 rdinance. Ditching and cuI ve rts will be requi red on 170th Lane Northwest in Sylvester's Addition to avoid water problems in this area. d) The following are comments regarding street construction in this area: 1. The Developer will construct to rural street standards ~he roadways within the platted area. The existence of inter- connecting streets in Sylvester Addition and the south edge '- , o ( '\ \.) ('\ ..'"--~ C_J J Honorable Chairman and Planning Commission April 24, 1975 Page Three of the pIal) which does not meet the present City standards, will cause difficulties in maintenance, traffic, and drainage. 2. The best solution to these problems is construct the streets to present standards prior to final plat approval. Allowing the developer to construct the platted streets only will result in a piecemeal traffic system. 3. We recommeEd that a public hearing be held on the proposed street construction,with notification to all affected property owners on 169th Avenue Northwest, 170th Avenue Northwest, 170th Lane Northwest, and Tulip Street Northwest. The City Council must authorize this public hearing. " '\ -..../ 4. Street construction costs would be proposed to be assessed against abutting properties. The estimated cost for rural street con- struction is $6. 25 per lineal foot 5. The public hearing will provide a means of discussing the street construction,with all property owners and the City Council taking part. The Council can then decide the City's course of action. 6. The alternative solution is for the developer to pay the costs of street upgrading to provide appropriate street construction through- out the area. We will discuss this report with the Planning and Zoning Commission at the April 29, 1975 meeting. Very h1uly yours, TOLTZ, KING, DUVALL, ANDERSON AND ASSOCIATES, INCORPORATED .' \ '. j RA:vlo cc: Mr. Walter Arntzen, Building Official ~ 44,L-.- Roger nderson . /\.- "- TOLTZ, KING, D,/ALL" /WERSON AND ASSOCIATES, INCORPORATED ENGINEERS AND ARCHITECTS , T. PA J, MINNESOTA APRIL 25, 1975 " PRELIMINARY COST ESTIMATE FOR GRAVEL STREET CONSTRUCTION ON EXISTING SAND STHEETS~' IN SYLVESTER AND FADDLERS FIFTH ADDITION CITY OF ANDOVER COMMISSION NUIvB.ER (,223-75 !tenl Descriptio~ Quantity Unit Price Arnount 1. 2. 3. 4. \ , ) ComnlOn Excavation Shaping and ditching Class 5 Gravel IS" CMF Culverts 1000 CY 34 HS 2950 Tons 264 LF $ 1.25 75.00 3.50 10.00 $ 1,250.00 2,550.00 10,325.00 2,640.00 $ 16,765.00 __L-675.00 $ 18,440.00 Contingencies - 10~: Engineering, Legal, and Aclrninistrative Cost - 15~\: Total Project Cost __ 2,760.00 $ 21,200 00 ';'Streets to be constructed entirely in Faddler's Fifth Addition arc not includecl in this cost estimate. Note: The cost of street constructioll is approxirnately $(,.25 per foot. Assessrnents for adjacent property owners wonld be half this an,onnt ur $3.15 per front foot providing property owners on both sides of the street are equally assessed. .I