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~~ Minutes of a CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARING of the Andover Community Development Plan,
of the Planning and Zoning Commission held, Wednesday, February 19, 1975 at the
Andover Community Center.
Planning and Zoning Commission members present: Chairman Allan Miles, Dean Johnson,
Ken Heil, Art Jaworski, Dave Jack and Deputy Clerk Marilyn Kappelhoff.
Attending in the audience: Mayor Schneider, Councilpersons Gerald Windschitl,
"Skip" Rither, Winslow Holasek and resident's of the City of Andover.
Chairman Miles called the Community Development Plan Public Hearing to order at
7:40 p.m., and read the opening paragraph of the Municipal Planning Legislation.
(a copy is attached to this set of minutes)
Chairman Miles opened the Continued Community Development Plan Public Hearing to
comments and questions from the floor.
Mrs. Lyman Orr, 1814 l8lst Avenue Northwest - asked how the Planning and Zoning
Commission members were chosen? Chairman Miles stated that the Planning and Zoning
Commission members were appointed by the City Council. Mayor Schneider explained the
procedures of the Planning and Zoning Commission members appointments, and stated
that Andover resident's who are interested in serving on the Planning Commission,
should submit their resumes to the Clerk. Mrs. Orr also asked if the Planning and
Zoning Commission members were voicing their own opinions, or the people's opinions?
Chairman Miles stated tha he was voicing his own opinions. Mrs. Orr stated that was
not Government of the people, or by the people.
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Mrs. Helen Frantz, 16663 Ward Lake Drive -- asked if the Plan is adopted, will a
resident who owns land in the Rural Area, twenty acre restriction, be allowed to sell
existing property. Chairman Miles said that the Plan addresses the future subdivision
of large tracts and also stated that if the lot is a lot of record, it can be sold,
or built on. Mrs. Frantz questioned if it was mandatory that the Plan be adopted in
it's entireity, or is the Plan subject to revision? Chairman Miles stated that the
input of the resident's will be taken into consideration.
Mayor Schneider asked why the twenty acre lot size was chosen for the Rural Area?
Chairman Miles stated that most tracts are on the road, logical road extension, two
tear taxing structure.
Mrs. Sylvia Britton requested that Chairman Miles read the "position paper", that
was prepared by Andover's Engineering Firm of Toltz, King, Duvall and Anderson, to
give the resident's the compared advantages and disadvantages of community development
under three different minimum lot size requirements in the Rural Planning District.
Chairman Miles read the advantages and disadvantages of the 2 1/2 acre lot size, the
10 acre lot size and the 20 acre lot size for the Rural District. Mrs. Britton pointed
out that the "position paper" lists five (5) advantages and twelve (12) disadvantages
for the 2 1/2 acre lot size, and eleven (11) advantages and three (3) disadvantages
for the 20 acre lot size. Mrs. Britton stated this comparison was bias.
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Continued Community Development Plan Public Hearing
February 19, 1975
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which was addressed to the City Engineer, three Councilmembers and the Planning and
Zoning Commission. in regards to the "position paper". Mr. Carlson read his letter
in full and stated that the entire "position paper" is meaningless because it does
not give a fair comparison to the 2 1/2 acres.
Councilperson Holasek stated that the Planning and Zoning Commission was granted
permission by the Town Board to have the "position paper" drafted and $344 was
expended for this report, why wasn't the "position paper" not presented as part of
the Community Development Plan Public Hearing? Chairman Miles stated that in his
opinion, the "position paper" was a means to help the Town Board and the Planning
and Zoning Commission identify the difference between the 20 acre and 2 1/2 acre lot
size. Chairman Miles also said that the "position paper" is public information,
but was not intended to be a part of the Community Development Plan Public Hearing.
Mrs. Lyman Orr asked why landowner's of Andover are not informed of what is planned
for their property? Chairman Miles explained that the Planning and Zoning Commission
has had several meetings on the Community Development Plan, which were open to the
public, and very few resident's attended. Mrs. Orr stated that she did not attend,
because she was not aware of what the meetings were about and pointed out that the
Planning and Zoning Commission should publicize what will be discussed. Chairman
Miles stated that the Planning and Zoning Commission has publicized and addressed
the twenty acres. He also said that Mayor Schneider mentioned the Community Develop.
ment Plan in two of his campaigns.
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Mrs. Sikora asked how many year's has the City Newsletter been available to the
resident's of Andover? Commissioner Jaworski stated the Newsletter has been sent
out quarterly since the late 1960's. He also stated that resident's who have not
received a copy of the Newsletter, should leave their name and address with the
Clerk.
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Mr. Lindberg asked if the primary goal to get the cost per unit down in the Urban
District is to allow development in the Urban Area only? Chairman Miles stated that
the primary goal is to encourage development in the area where services can be
provided. Mr. Lindberg asked excluding sewer and water. could a 2 1/2 acre planned
unit development in the Rural Area be achieved by the developer? Chairman Miles
stated yes, providing that the development in the Rural Area does not force
premature service requirements, i. e., roads, fire protection, police protection or
sewer and water. Commissioner Jaworski stated that a 2 1/2 acre development outside
the Urban Area would create a problem and explained if sewer and water would have to
be expanded to the Rural Area, the cost would be double and therefore, too expensive
for the individual homeowner.
Mr. Lary Carlson stated that the community should encourage and assist the 2 1/2
acre limitation. by allowing the developer and landowner to recognize the value of
cluster housing. i.e., allow cluster development on 40 acres, put in central sewage
disposal system and central water. Mr. Carlson stated that this could be done and
would be less expensive than what it would cost the individual landowner to build
his house and put in his own separate system.
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Chairman Miles pointed out that Mr. Carlson is addressing Planned Unit Development,
which is one alternative to the 20 acres, and also said that this alternative means
that when it comes time to resubdivide, the developer and/or the landowner puts in
the roads, central sewar system and the central water system.
Commissioner Jack stated that he agreed with Planned Unit Development, but the
present platting ordinance of Andover will not allow this to be accomplished, and
explained that Planned Unit Development can be considered, if the following is
done firs t :
1. Adopt the Community Development Plan
2. Re-write the present ordinances of Andover
Commissioner Jack asked the audience to state what goals, other than the twenty acres,
they are not in favor of.
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Councilman Holasek stated that a Planned Unit Development could be incorporated
into Andover's present platting ordinance, under "special use". He pointed out
that to his knowledge, the Urban District and Rural District are not taxed differently
and requested that the Planning and Zoning Commission obtain a legal opinion on this
matter. Councilman Holasek explained that at the February 10, 1975, Sewer and Water
Public Hearing, it was brought out that a multiple dwelling unit in the Urban Area
should be sewered because of potential pollution problems. This caused concern of
some members on the City Council, because the pipe would have to run past undeveloped
property, therefore, would encourage development in this undeveloped area. Councilman
Holasek stated that this presents a contradiction and explained that the Community
Development Plan addresses encouraging development in the Urban Area.
Councilman Rither stated that the area Councilman Holasek is referring to, is Bunker
Lake Estates and pointed out that the reason for concern was, by putting trunk mains
in Bunker Lake Estates, it would be encouragi~further development in the undeveloped
area, when a pObC.ntial pollution problem is in the Red Oaks, Green Acres and Northwoods
Additions.
Mrs. Sikora referred to page 143, line 12, of the Community Development Plan and
asked the Planning Commission to explain the meaning of this policy. Commissioner
Jack stated that this policy addresses the areas in Andover that are an asset to
our community and should be studied through the Park/Advisory Board and City Council
as to how these areas will be developed, i.e., parks, left in their natural state,
part of a development, etc.
Mrs. Helen Frantz addressed the secondary policy, line 4, of the Community Development
Plan and stated that she disagrees with municipal government engaging in the Real
Estate business.
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Councilman Windschitl stated he was not in favor of the free zoning policy and asked
the Planning Commission with the elimination of the old zoning boundaries, what
protection does the Urban Area have against the placement of a development becoming
a political process? Cpuncilman Rither stated that under our present ordinance, the
same insecurities exist and explained that the Community Development Plan is breaking
away from the traditional process and will set up criteria, that must be met, to
determine where a particular type zoning district will be located. Chariman Miles
stated the free zoning policy encourages freedom for the developer.
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Continued Community Development Plan Public Hearing
February 19, 1975
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Councilman Windschitl stated that the Community Development Plan should have a
buffer process or a gradual progression for the residential area. Commissioner
Jack stated that he agreed with Councilman Windschitl and addressed page 176,
paragraph 3, of the Community Development Plan. He stated that in order for the
City of Andover to arrive at the goals and policies of the Community Development
Plan, the third stage,( rewriting of the ordinances) must be implemented.
Councilman Holasek addressed page 143, paragraph 3, of the Community Development
Plan and stated that he agreed with this policy, but the rest of the page should
be deleted from the Plan. He addressed page 153, paragraph 2, of the Plan and
stated, unless this policy has a specific purpose, i.e., fire barn, police station,
this should be deleted also. Councilman Holasek stated the twenty acre requirement
should be deleted and any other references to the twenty acre lot size. Chairman
Miles said the Plan needs an alternative to page 143, and asked Councilman Holasek
if he agreed with the concept of a Rural versus an Urban Planning District?
Councilman Holasek stated, yes, if the developer can show a good development for
the Urban District, such as; town houses; planned unit developments, etc. He also
stated that the ideal lot size for the Rural District has not been proven, therefore
felt the 2 1/2 acre lot size should be considered at the present time for the Rural
District.
Mr. Ken Olson asked if the Community Development Plan was adopted in it's present
form, what would the procedure be to change the Plan? Chairman Miles stated that
the Planning and Zoning Commission can change the Plan through a public hearing, and
explained the procedures as follows:
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1. Make the revision
2. Hold a public hearing on the revision
3. Submit the revision to the Metropolitan Council
4. Submit the revision to the City Council, for approval or disapproval
Mr. Olson asked if the resident's could petition a change? Chairman Miles stated
the petition would have to go through the City Council.
Ted Lachinski stated that he moved from a city, to Andover to get out of the city,
but if the Plan is adopted, he will be in the Urban Planning District. Councilman
Rither explained that people who move from the city, bring the city along.
A gentleman in the audience asked the Planing Commission what their opinions were
to the Plan. Commissioner Heil stated he was for the 2 1/2 acre lot size. Commissioner
Jaworski stated he was in favor of the general concept of the Plan and was in
agreement of the Urban and Rural Districts.
Chairman Miles stated that the Planning Commission needs an alternative to the
acreage requirement.
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Commissioner Jack stated that the "position paper" was generated to give alternatives
to the acreage requirement, but lacked supportive data in the form of figures, (dollar
valuation. projected growth, etc.) therefore, leaves some credence to the advantages.
Commissioner Jack stated that he would like to review his notes and the minutes,
before expressing his comments. He also stated that before the Plan is submitted to
the Metropolitan Council, he was sure there would be some changes.
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Mr. Chapman asked if the Planning Commission has utilized what our neighboring
communities have done with development? Chairman Miles stated that Andover cannot
look to other communities for assistance, because they are in worse shape than
our community. He also stated that Andover does not have to go through the pitfalls
of other communities.
Ted Lachinski stated that the Planning Commission should let the Metropolitan
Council arrive at an alternative to the acreage requirement. Chairman Miles asked
what would happen if the Planning Commission recommended that the City Council
propose a moritorium on platting, until the Metro Council arrived at a solution?
Ted Lachinski stated that a moritorium was not necessary and explained that Andover
could aontinue as it is now, until the Metro Council has a solution.
Councilman Holasek asked Commissioner Johnson what his opinions were to the Community
Development Plan? Commissioner Johnson stated he was in favor of the basic concept
of the Plan and the 20 acres.
Mr. Lindberg suggested that the Planning and Zoning Commission adopt the Community
Development Plan, allowing 2 1/2 acres in the Rural Area, until the Planing and
Zoning Commission develops a tax incentive program for large acreage. Chairman
Miles stated that the Planning and Zoning Commission has stated that 2 1/2 acres
is not a viable alternative for the Rural Area.
Fay Barnes asked if the main objection to the 2 1/2 acres for the Rural Areas was
the future need for sewer and water? Chairman Miles stated that 2 1/2 acres is an
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Mr. Lindberg asked if the soil in Andover causes seepage into the ground too quickly,
the Planning and Zoning Commission should draft an ordinance dealing with the
problem, rather than the acreage restriction. Chairman Miles stated that the
developers would have to be willing to escrow a certain amount of money in case the
2 1/2 acres did not work. Mr. Lindberg stated that if the Plan wants to stop leap-
frog development, it would be more logical to put strigent requirements on the
developer, rather than the landowner. Commissioner Jaworski stated that in essence,
you are saying the same as the Plan, only changing the words from "landowner", to
"developer".
Robert Nehring asked if the Planning and Zoning Commission has considered setting
aside land in open acreage? Chairman Miles stated that Andover's existing platting
ordinance requires the developer to set aside land for open space, or money in lieu
of land.
Ken Olson asked if the Planning and Zoning Commission could declare a moritorium
on platting? Chairman Miles stated the Planning and Zoning Commission has discussed
a moritorium and explained that to prevent an overflow of unecessary platting, this
should be done at the time the Plan is finished and submitted to the Metro Council,
with the understanding that when the Plan is revisited, the moritorium is dropped.
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Robert Nehring stated that a lot of the criticism of the Plan is the twenty acre
-restriction and asked if the Planning Commission would consider working out a
compromise that would be reasonably satisfactory to the resident's who own large
amounts of acreage? He also asked if the twenty acre restriction was slowing down
the implementation of the rest of the Plan? Commissioner Jack stated, no, unless
the Planning Commission reached a barrier point where there is no compromise left.
Chairman Miles stated that when the Plan is reviewed by the City Council and sent
back to the Planning and Zoning Commission and the Planning and Zoning Commission
refused to take any action on the Plan, then the Plan could die.
Mr. Lindberg asked the Planning and Zoning Commission to get a legal opinion on
the constitutionality of land restriction. Chairman Miles stated that the Planning
and Zoning Commission would ask the City Council to obtain a legal opinion or request
this service from the City Attorney. Chairman Miles stated that the Attorney's
opinion is not binding.
Oscar Carlson appeared before the Planning Commission and stated that he is presently
a resident of New Brighton, and hopefully a resident of Andover in the near future.
He asked why the Community Development Plan was not available to more people?
Chairman Miles stated that because of limited quantities, the resident's of Andover
had priority, but is available, on a check out basis, to anyone who request's a
copy.
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Mr. Lary Carlson commended the Planning and Zoning Commission on the excellent
way they conducted the Community Development Plan Public Hearings.
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Chairman Miles asked if there were more questions or comments from the floor, there
were none.
It was moved by Commissioner Jack, seconded by Commissioner Johnson that the
Community Development Plan Public Hearings be closed at this time and further
deliberation to take place with this item to be considered at the next regular
Planning and Zoning Commission meeting of February 25, 1975. Upon roll call vote,
all voted yes; motion carried.
Community Development Plan Public Hearing adjourned at 11:15 p.m.
Allan R. Miles, Chairman, Planning and Zoning Commission
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TKDA
TOLTZ, KING, DUVALL, ANDERSON AND ASSOCIATES INCORPORATED
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Andover City Council
Cop i es To: :ftt.
Andover Planning Commission
From: Mr.
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Reference:
Andovp.r City Engineering
COMMISSION NO.
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Attached to this memorandum is a copy of a letter received from
Mr. Lawrence Carlson. The letter was addressed to three members of the
City Council and myself and is in regard to the position paper which was
prepared by our firm for the City of Andover relating to the Comprehensive
Land Use Plan.
I am sending a copy to each City Council member and Planning Commission
member to provide information to everyone who is directly related to the
adoption of the Comprehensive Land Use Plan. I do not agree with Mr. Carlsonts
position of sending letters to selected individuals of the City Council and not the
entire City Council. For that reason, I have made copies and am distributing
them directly to each Council member and Planning and Zoning Commission
member.
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Attachment
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MEMBER
AMERICAN INSTITUTE OF
CERTIFIED PUBLIC ACCOUNTANTS
LAWRENCE B. CARLSON
CERTIFIED PUBLIC ACCOUNTANT
ANOKA PROFESSIONAL BUILDING
403 JACKSON STREET
ANOKA, MINNESOTA 55303
427-7500
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January 7, 1975
T oltz. King, Duval:. ,~.r.1"'s,,,~
and Associal~s.lllco;j)(Jl;rto.\l
RECEIVED
Mr. Richard J. Schneider, Mayor
City of Andover
Mr. Winslow Holasek, Councilman
City of Andover
Mr. Gerald Windschitl, Councilman
City of Andover
Mr. Dewey Kasma, Engineer
Toltz, King, Duvall, Anderson & Associates
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MR. Ol~ON_ ._ '~P:.)-/
MR. RYDER
MR. THO'M.
MR. LUNDHOLM_L_:..._
MR. MALONLY-L-
MR. SPERLING
Gentlemen:
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This is the first time that I have expressed myself in writing although some of
my views are known to you. In your deliberations on this matter I hope you
will take this statement into account. My opinions are definitely not only
directed toward my business activities, but also involve what I feel is best
for my family and what I sincerely feel is best for our community. I firmly
believe the following comments should be entitled to your assumption that my
opinions are unbiased to the same extent that you have given this consideration
to others.
First, a brief background on my past activities which presumably indicate my
qualifications to stand up and be heard:
1. I have been active for many years in conservation work. This has been at
local, state and national levels. I fought long and hard against the
north airport site because its environmental impact was devastating and
I knew it would jeopardize the way of life which is enjoyed by the vast
majority of our residents. I took this position regardless of the fact
that from an economic standpoint other major landowners generally supported
the airport.
2. In my role as a member of the Citizens' Advisory Council on Environmental
Matters to the Governor dnd as a member of the Advisory Council to the
Ol!part.m"nt of N,ltural R~'sources, I assisted in the development of the river
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January 7, 1975
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and lake shore zoning which protects these remaining areas from over-
extensive development. I did this in spite of the fact that, again,
from an economic viewpoint it was foolish, because I own substantial
shoreline.
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3. I have served on the Board of Supervisors for Grow Township and am
proud of what was accomplished during that period of time. Certainly
this was not just by my doing, but overall the Board did show progress
on a number of major issues. During this tenure, I believe that ~x. Holasek
would support the fact that at no time did I show unwarranted consideration
for any developer and, on the contrary, was in a position to know when
specific matters would be unsatisfactory to us as a Township.
4. I worked long, hard and successfully in conjunction with others to see
that our Township became a city. To me, this was extremely important
in order to assist us with proper future development, but certainly did
not mean that we must now push full steam ahead with every conceivable
city service to all citizens - particularly when they don't want them and
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they do nothing more than increase our community costs.
The above items are stated only because I do not know of any other way of
expressing my opinion, which is as concerned about our'community as any other,
without having someone becoming doubtful because of a so-called "conflict of
interest." My principal income is not derived from land development and I feel
I have kept an open mind on the issues involved as much as anyone else.
There are a number of questions which will be raised regarding the "position
Paper" prepared by TKDA for the City of Andover. However, before listing thosp
questions, I feel it is necessary to ask for your consideration reqarding the
following comments:
1. Dewey Kasma is currently our city's engineer and his firm - Toltz, King,
Duvall, Anderson & A~;sociates, Inc. - is also serving as our planner. In
view of his involvement with our community I was shocked and deeply
disuppointcd over specific rem.lrks which \~ere m.Jdc .It thF' m,~etillq 011
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December 30.
I would like to mention three itcm~; specificully:
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January 7, 1975
Page Three
a) As accurately as I can quote Dewey's remarks regarding our roads
currently put in by "developers", they were "They,take a grader
and scratch around on the ground a little bit, throw on a little
gravel and that's \~hat you get." Having just completed two
substantial roads in 1974, I know this is not true. I believe that
it is only right to ask Dewey to explain those remarks because they
can be very detrimental to both a businessman such as me and to the
public, if the public believes he is stating a fact.
b) Dewey Kasma stated something to the effect that the "developers"
such as I, were hurrying to complete more development in order to
get away from the cost of installing public services and the like.
This could not be farther from the truth since in most instances
these "benefits" are not scheduled in any form at the present time.
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It is true that development may be temporarily accelerating because
of the 20 acre scare. What else can you expect people to do when
they believe this may become a reality thereby substantially reducing
the value of the land or terminating the use for which it was
purchased which would create tremendous hardships.
c) Al Miles, Chairman of Zoning & Planning, stated that the "position
Paper" submitted by TKDA was completely independent and unbiased.
This obviously was not true and someone from TKDA had a.responsibility
to stand up and clarify that statement. I know this is not a fact
and that it can be clearly shown that TKDA has generally reflected
only the feelings of those '"ho are supporting the current proposed
comprehensive plan and it cl!rtainly docs not reflect many reasonabl('
alternatives.
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2. It is my recollection that the engineer stated that his firm cannot proceed
to the final stages of the sewer installation until the community has d
final comprehensive plan. I don't believe this is true. It is my under-
standing that public hearings should be held on the sew<,~r drea and insti1l1ation
matters. These areas could be developed in conjunction with the proposed pl"n
since there is no disagreement on tlli1t point; finali%iltion of the s,,\~cr
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problems could then be realized even though the comprehensive plan may
not be completed until a later date.
3. Why don't we see more discussion regarding cluster development? For
example, a cluster of homes, apartment houses, condominiums, or whatever,
with proper installation of water and sewage facilities would probably
leave 75% to 90% of "developed" areas in open space and to be used for
enjoyment by everyone. Certainly this has many advantages, one of which
would be ease of future overall development.
4. Somehow those of us who live in a country atmosphere cannot convince those
who do not that the vast majority are not looking toward such things as
hard surface roads and city services. Why is it necessary to continually
demand that we be "given" asphalt roads when we only want high quality
gravel roads; that we have city water and sewer on 2-1/2 acre lots when
it has not been shown necessary and we are not endangering our citizens'
health; that we have curbs and gutters when there cannot be shown a need
for it.
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I would ask how many and where are 2-1/2 acre areas developed with all of
the services. Further, I would like to ask that each of you consider the
senselessness of this type of argument if someone' says that the people
are demanding these services. They are not and I am not. Simply stated,
we prefer the rural type atmosphere and there simply is no need for those
services through a vast area of the City of Andover.
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5. I must call your attention to the fact that every assumption made throughout
the "position Paper" is an assumption that degrades the 2-1/2 acre alternative
and upgrades the 10 acre of 20 acre plan. You will see specifics on this
point in the questions I have posed directly on the position Paper.
6. I have dealt with Dewey Kasma on two developments. My impression was very
favorable since he treated both developments very fairly and was helpful
with his advice. Even though I have taken exception to his remarks as
indicated above, I would certainly favor his firm and him preparing a type
of "fact sheet" for distribution to our residents. However, I would respect-
fully request that lw dot's t.:lk" into <\t:e:Olllll: thaL <lilY ,nH;llml.'L Lon,'; "houlel be!
clearly defined as such and that cle.:lrly there arc two sides to the isslH. and
not just one.
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REMARKS PERTAINING TO "TKDA - POSITION PAPER"
Page 2 - Alternative A
Item
Advantages
Low priced residential lots.
Remarks
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Limited community improvement.
What does this mean? Did someone explain
that this means 2-1/2 acres would be sold
for less than 10 acres? If so, this is an
insult to our intelligence, but certainly
does not answer the implication which is left
by this statement.
It should be noted that this is true since
that is all that is required by the community.
Bear in mind that it is an absolute waste of
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our money and resources if community improve-
ments are put in prematurely. In fact,
Item 5 answers this in stating that there
is little expenditures required by local
government.
Disadvantages
1. Potential water and land pollution. Using the assumption that this is true, it is
certainly true also on 10 and 20 acre tracts.
Now, if we use the assumption that the
pollution is so minute that it will not have
an effect on our water supply, then it is not
a disadvantage at all, even on 2-1/2 acre
sites. Incidentally, I do not know of any
study that ,indicates this is a problem in our
area on a 2-1/2 acre site, or much less, for
that" matter.
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USP of the worel "un()e:~t:hctic:."
Why is this un<.:ompl.im(~ntary word u~';ed onl.y .In
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Alternative A - continued
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Disadvantages
3. Unplanned and scattered development
costly to service.
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Low quality development.
5. Existing residents are not
protected environmentally.
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Federal grants jeopardized.
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Remarks
I believe this needs further explanation.
In the first place, why must a 2-1/2 acre
subdivision be unplanned if one acre, 1/2
acre, 1/3 acre or whatever is planned?
What is the break between a planned and
unplanned development. Furtber, when
reference is made that this development is
costly to service, I think it should be
clearly stated which services are being
referred to. It would also be helpful
to get an estimate of the cost.
I believe this is totally erroneous.
I don't know what this means. As an
environmentalist, I believe that environmen-
tally I can live with nature far better on
a 2-1/2 acre lot than I could in town on a
1/4 acre lot.
This is a one-sided assumption at best
and probably stems from the current position
being taken by the Metropolitan Council.
I believe it is important to note that the
Metropolitan Council has been prone to change
various positions from time to time and I
don't feel that our community should be
planned around their ever changing likes and
dislikes.
It is important that the planner understands
that a substantial amount of lond in the
city is not and nC'ver will be conducive to
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Alternative A - continued
Item
Disadvantages
9.
Present values suffer.
10. Potential for long range
planning is lost.
11.
400 lots in the RPD.
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resulting in extreme hardships
for many current landO\o/llers.
Alterno.tive B
Item
Advantages
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High quality developm2nt
3. IJundo\oJncrs ga in i.nr-.:rea::;t!c] land
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agricultural use.
I don't understand this statement.
To the contrary, planning Cl large scale
community development on 2-1/2 acre sites
could certainly be long range planning with
several primary objectives such as providing
and maintaining a rural living atmosphere,
not requiring nor demanding city water,
city seIVer, hard surface roads, etc.
I do not believe this is a true statement.
Cap this figure be confirmed by identifi-
cation of areas involved and lots within
each subdivision?
Whereas loss of value is not identified as
a disadvantage, it certainly should be.
Particularly so when they bring back the
galn as an advantage under Alternative B,
Item 3.
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\'Ihat the planner should be so.ying is there
IVill be virtually no development. It is
then up to the community to decide, if this
is an advantage or a disadvantage.
Simply stated, the gain is there because it
was t;tKen away throll'1h accept.ance, of the
Comprcl!('n,;ivl, P1-1n. III .111 fairnesc> to the
n,;"l"r of this n,porl., t.l!i~; should b', noted.
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Alternative B - continued
4.
5.
6.
Advantages
Productive agricultural uses can
continue in the RPD.
Protected environmentally
Less pollution of land and water.
8. People attracted to a planned
growth and development area.
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Disadvantages
Immediate action and
expencliturcs
Loss of land valu<-~.
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If this is an advantage under Alternative
B, why is it not also an advantage under
Alternative A, since the Green Acres law
applies in each case?
What does this mean?
An unfair, one-sided statement since it
does not take into account whether or not
a 2-1/2 acre development has any truly
detrimental effects upon the land and water.
In other words, the assumption is that
we cannot have a planned growth and
development area with 2-1/2 acre zoning.
I do not believe this is true.
This statement is true except if you
consider the fact that these services lnay
not be necessary at all except on a very
reduced basis in lower density population
areas, i.e., 2-1/2 acre development.
I do not understand what immediate
expenditures are necessary under Alternative
B. In areas ,,,here we currently need city
sewer as an example, this is necessary
regardless of whether or not we have a
comprehensive plan. This disadvantage should
bl' explained.
Whereas this disadvantage is not listed, it
is certainly one of the primary disadvantages
and should not he overlookC'd.
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Alternative C
The above remarks relative to Alternative B can generally be applied to the
advantages and disadvantages as noted under Alternative C.
Finally, I will again state that my position has been in favor of a comprehensive
plan and that I have certainly been in agrf'ement with and have supported most segments
of the plan. However, I strenuously object to the combined efforts of the Zoning
d.l1d Planning Commission and the planner to leave the impression with our residents
that you cannot have "a planned community" if the 2-1/2 acre zoning stands. This
is not true. I object, along with the majority in the northern 1/2 to 2/3 of the
City, to having hard surface roads and many other city services presumably crammed
down our throats when we are simply asking "please don't force upon us services
which \ve are not requesting nor need." This point could certainly be borne out
if the planner resubmitted a report using the assumption that very limited public
) services would be provided on 2-1/2 acre lots and then we could have a look at the
results of the cost study.
In view of the above co~ments, I would respectfully request that the City Council
meet with the planner and carefully and objectively review with them the assumptions
which have been made in writing the "position Paper." I believe it will become
clear that the assumptions have generally been very one-sided in an effort to prove
that their recommendations should be accepted, which recommendations have actually
been formulated in great part through discussions with Zoning and Planning membf'rs
in an effort to satisfy their personal goals. For example, if we assume that 2-1/2
acre planned development is allmved through the northern 2/3 of the community, and
if we assume that this type of developmen.t is desired by the people who live in the
areas because they can still afford to own their own homes, larger than average lots,
and will not. lose their homes due to excessive tax assessments, and if we assume
th,>t. w" provide wi thin the planned corrununi t.y adequa t.e space for corrunercial developm(,nt.,
cluster d'ovclopment., parks, etc., then Ylhat would the cost studies, statistic!;
and the" 1 ikc ,;how in compi1ci.son wi th those already in the report?
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Finally, it is obvious that if either a 10 acre or 20 acre limitation is
imposed, that limitation alone virtually eliminates any further options
that may be available to the landowner. Please bear in mind that the
overwhelming majority of landowners affected are not developers and
speculators, so this type of decisionhasa most serious effect on many,
not just a few of the residents of the community.
My sincere apologies if I have unfairly criticized someone. That is not my
intent. My purpose is simply to spcdk up for what I feel IS r; 'lilt for my
community. To date, residents in this community whu share my point of view
have been totally ignored.
This letter has been addressed only to the Council me~bers who indicated on
December 30 their willingness to listen, as did our engineer/planner. You
will recall that Councilman Rither and Councilwoman VanderLaan stated quite
emphatically that they are in agreement at this time with the Comprehensive
, ) Plan. Certainly I am not one who can change their minds.
Thank you for your consideration in the above matter.
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MUNICIPAL PLANNING LEGISLA liON
O Minnesota cities had for some time been carrying out planning and related powers under a patchwork of
enabling legislation. In 1965, however, the legislature passed a condification of the municipal planning laws and
made some significant changes. For the first time all municipal planning and planning related laws (except for Onf~
or two minor exceptions) are found in one location. Beyond this condification Duluth and other cities retain
special powers as per section 462.364.
The authority to regulate building construction is possessed by cities through their home rule charter or act of
incorporation. Villages have this power as a result of section 412.221, subdivision 28.
LEGISLATION
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462.351 l\IUNICIPAL PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT; STATEl\IENT OF
POLICY. The legislature finds that municipalities are faced with mounting
problems in providing means of guiding future development of land so as to insure
a safer, more pleasant and more economical environment for residential, commer.
cial, industrial and public activities and to promote the public health, safety, morals
and general welfare. Municipalities can prepare for anticipated changes and by
such preparations bring about significant savings in both private and public expendi-
tures. Municipal planning, by providing public guides to future municipal action,
enables other public and private agencies to plan their activities in harmony with
the municipality's plans. Municipal planning will assist in developing lands more
wisely to serve citizens more effectively, will make the provision of public services
less costly. and will achieve a more secure tax basI'. It is the purpose of sections
462.351 to 462.364 to provide municipalities, in a single . body of law, with the
necessary powers and a uniform procedure for adequately conducting and imple-
menting municipal planning.
462.352 DEFINITIONS. Subdivision I. For the purposes of sections 462.351 to
r-) 462.364 the terms defined in this section havc the meanings given them.
\. Subd. 2. "Municipality" means any city, including a city operating under a home
rule charter, and any village or borough and any town having the powers of villages
pursuant to Minnesota Statutes, Section 368.01.
Subd. 3. "Planning agency" means the planning commission or the planning
department of a municipality.
Subd. 4. "Platting authority" means the governing body or other agency re-
sponsible under statute or charter for the approval of plats of land within the
municipality or within its area of platting control.
Subd. 5. "Comprehensive municipal plan" means a compilation of policy
statements, goals, standards, and maps for guiding the physical, social and economic
development, both private and public, of the municipality and its environs and may
include, but is not limited to, the following: statements of policies, goals, standards, a
land use plan, a community facilities plan, a transportation plan, and recommenda-
tions for plan execution. A comprehensive plan represents the planning agency's
recommendations for the future development of the community.
Subd. 6. "Land use plan" means a compilation of policy statements, goals,
standards, and maps, and action programs for guiding the future development
of private and public property, The term includes a plan designating types of uses
for the entire municipality as well as a specialized plan showing specific areas or
specific types of land uses, such as residential, commercial, industrial, public or
semi-public uses or any combination of such uses.
Subd. 7. "Transportation plan" means a compilation of policy statements,
goals, standards, maps and action programs for guiding the future development of
the various modes of transportation of the municipality and its environs such as
streets and highways, mass transit, railroads, air transportation, trucking and
water transportation, and includes a major thoroughfare plan.
Subd. 8. "Community facilities plan" means a compilation of policy statements,
goals, standards, maps and action programs for guiding the future development
of the public or semi.public facilities of the municipality such as recreational, edu-
cational and cultural facilities.
Subd. 9. "Capital improvement program" means an itemized program setting
forth the schedule and details of specific contemplated public improvements by
Need for, and purpose of municipal
planning.
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The units of local government to
which this act applies. Section 368.01
designates "Urban Towns". It is
printed on page 9.
Comprehensive plan defined.
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fiscal year, together with their estimated cost, the justification for each improve-
ment, the impact that such improvements will have on the current operating ex.
pense of the municipality, and such other information on capital improvements as
may be pertinent.
Subd. 10. "Official map" means a map adopted in accordance with section 9
of this act showing existing streets, proposed future streets and the area needed for
widening of existing streets of the municipality. An official map may also show the
location of existing and future public land and facilities within the municipality.
Subd. 11. "Governing body" in the case of cities or villages means the council
by whatever name known, and in the case of a town, means the town board.
462.353 AUTHORITY TO PLAN. Subdivision I. General authority. A municipality
may carryon comprehensive municipal planning activities for guiding the future
development and improvement of the municipality and may prepare, adopt, and amend
a comprehensive municipal plan and implement such plan by ordinance and other official
actions in accordance with the provisions of sections 462.35 I to 462.364.
Subd. 2. Studies and reports. In exercising its powers under subdivision 1,
a municipality may collect and analyze data, prepare maps, charts, tables, and
other illustrations and displays, and conduct necessary studies. A municipality may
publicize its purposes, suggestions, and findings on planning matters, may distribute
reports thereon, and may advise the public on the planning matters within the
scope of its duties and objectives.
Subd. 3. Appropriation and contracts. A municipality may appropriate monies from
any fund not dedicated to other purposes in order to finance its planning activities.
A municipality may receive and expend grants and gifts for planning purposes and may
enter into contracts with the federal and state governments or with other public or
private agencies in furtherance of the planning activities authorized by sections 462.351
to 462.364.
462.354 ORGANIZATION FOR PLANNING. Subdivision I. Planning agency. A
municipality may by charter or ordinance create a planning agency. A planning agency
created by ordinance may be abolished by two-thirds vote of all the members of the
governing body. The planning agency shall be advisory, except as other powers and
duties are imposed on it by sections 462.351 to 462.364, by statute, by charter, or
by ordinance consistent with the municipal charter. The planning agency may take the
following alternative forms:
(1) It may consist of a planning commission, which mayor may not include
municipal officials among its members, The planning commission may be provided
with staff which may be a division of the administrative structure of the municipal
government. The commission shall be advisory directly to the governing body.
(2) It may consist of a planning department with a planning commission ad-
visory to it and shall function as a department advisory to the governing body and
the municipal administration. The planning department may be provided with an
executive director and other staff as in the case'of other municipal departments.
Subd. 2. Board of adjustments and appeals. The governing body of any
municipality adopting or having in effect a zoning ordinance or an official map
shall provide by ordinance for a board of appeals and adjustments. The board shall
have the the powers set forth in section 462.357, subdivision 6, and section 462.359,
subdivision 4. Except as otherwise provided by charter, the governing body may pro,
vide alternatively that there be a separate board of appeals and adjustments or that
the governing body or the planning commission or a committee of the planning
commission serve as the board of appeals and adjustments, and it may provide an
appropriate name for the board. The board may be given such other duties as the
governing body may direct.
In any municipality where the council does not serve as the board, the govern-
ing body may, except as otherwise provided by charter, provide that the decisions
of the board on matters within its jurisdiction are final subject to judicial review
or are final subject to appeal to the council and the right of later judicial review or
are advisory to the council. Hearings by the board of appeals and adjustments shall
be held within such time and upon such notice to interested parties as is provided
in the ordinance establishing the board. The board shall within a reasonable time
make its order deciding the matter and shall serve a copy of such order upon the ap'
pellant or petitioner by mail. Any party may appear at the hearing In person or by
agent or attorney. Subject to such limitations as may be imposed by the governing
body, the board may adopt rules for the conduct of proceedings before it. Such
rules may include provisions for the giving of oaths to witnesses and the filing
of written briefs by the parties. The board shall provide for a record of its pro-
ceedings which shall include the minutes of Its meetings, its findings, and the action
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Municipality may pre par
amend, and imple
comprehensive plan.
Money from any non.dedic
may be used to finance
activities.
Method of creating
planning agency.
Alternative forms of a
agency.
Board of adjustment must
if municipality has a zoning
or official map in effect.
Powers specified.
Alternate forms of a
adjustment.