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HomeMy WebLinkAboutDecember 14, 2010 '-", .... . ,,~;;--"" ::; -, . :>' . t'" - "-,) I( i\~C 1 T Y 0 F ::' ,P,"', ,.1, . '" I <\ \ ~'.. ..,.~ "",dOOU\ T" .' . - {~- , 0 ';- . - ,\ r' III 'V T'\\Y :1.1 1.1\'- -~~~),,~y' ., \ ' , . ( "I 1-\-" f' -iT' x_:.- \, .il',,,,,).,, __".~J..l\..~' -o::~_~_._ 1685 CROSSTOWN BOULEVARD N.W. ' ANDOVER, MINNESOTA 55304, (763) 755-5100 FAX (763) 755-8923 0 WWW.CI.ANDOVER.MN.US PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING - DECEMBER 14, 2010 The Regular Bi-Monthly Meeting of the Andover Planning and Zoning Commission was called to order by Chairperson Daninger on December 14,2010,7:00 p.m., at the Andover City Hall, 1685 Crosstown Boulevard NW, Andover, Minnesota. Commissioners present: Chairperson Dean Daninger, Commissioners Michael Casey, Dennis Cleveland, Lynae Gudmundson, Valerie Holthus, and Tim Kirchoff. Commissioners absent: Devon Walton Also present: City Planner, Courtney Bednarz Others 0 APPROVAL OF MINUTES. November 9, 2010 Motion by Casey, seconded by Holthus, to approve the minutes of November 9, 2010 as presented. Motion carried on a 6-ayes, O-nays, I-absent (Walton) vote. PUBLIC HEARING: CONSIDER CHANGES TO CITY CODE 12-3-5 TO INCREASE ALLOWABLE LAND COVERAGE FOR BUILDINGS. Mr. Bednarz noted the concept plan submitted by Dynamic Sealing proposes to cover 34% of the lot with buildings through the second phase as well as 34% of the entire property at buildout. He added that there is potential for additional manufacturing and industrial development within Andover Station North, The City Code currently limits building coverage to 30% in all of the commercial and industrial districts. This item is intended to review building coverage limits in the commercial and industrial zoning districts. Mr. Bednarz reviewed the information with the Commission. Motion by Kirchoff, seconded by Casey, to open the public hearing. Motion carried on a 6-ayes, O-nays, I-absent (Walton) vote. 0 Chairperson Daninger noted there was no one in the audience. Regular Andover Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes - December 14, 2010 Page 2 0 Motion by Casey, seconded by Cleveland, to close the public hearing. Motion carried on a 6-ayes, O-nays, I-absent (Walton) vote, Commissioner Cleveland stated they currently have a maximum coverage and he wondered if they had a maximum amount of impervious space on these industrial lots, Mr. Bednarz indicated there was not a maximum on these lots. Commissioner Cleveland wondered ifthere was a minimum, Mr. Bednarz indicated there was not. Commissioner Cleveland stated he would not want to see one of these built out to their setbacks. He thought they needed more than that otherwise there is too much run off. Commissioner Kirchoff wondered that too and asked if that was part of the overall permit process that drainage would be reviewed and would have to be addressed no matter what size it is. Mr. Bednarz stated that was correct. He stated the City storm water management plan dictates that they have to provide water retention based on the amount of surface water that is generated and also regulates the design for the slopes and those things working together determine the size of the area that is needed. He stated the same is true in a different way for parking. Parking ratios are based on the use of the structure and design standards dictates how much of the site will be used for parking. Commissioner Kirchoff wondered if they really need to address that as part ofthe zoning. 0 Commissioner Cleveland stated if someone wanted to build out to the maximum possible building, at some point they are going to impinge on the drainage issue. Mr. Bednarz stated they will be required to accommodate the drainage, regardless. Commissioner Cleveland stated there will be a building maximum due to other requirements regardless of the maximum building coverage. Mr. Bednarz stated that was correct. He stated one example he looked at for retail and office uses, they will never be able to reach forty percent in building primarily because of the high parking ratio and the building setbacks on smaller sites, He stated they will need to meet all the requirements ofthe City Code, not just building coverage. Chairperson Daninger asked for an example of a cause and effect if there was not a forty percent limit. Mr. Bednarz stated there is not a minimum landscaped area requirement. They do require a minimum number of plantings so there will need to be a place for them to be installed but if they did not have a maximum building coverage, Without a limit on building coverage it is possible for a site to be covered in building, parking and drainage area with landscaping only in building setback areas, Chairperson Daninger asked if there was agreement that this should be changed. The Commission agreed it should be changed. Chairperson Daninger asked ifthe Commission felt there should be no coverage limit or 0 should there be a limit. Commissioner Kirchoff asked if this is for all zoning types or are they just addressing industrial. Mr. Bednarz stated it would be all the commercial and --------- -------- Regular Andover Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes - December 14, 2010 Page 3 0 industrial listed in the staff report. Commissioner Kirchoff asked if they should separate this out between industrial versus commercial. Chairperson Daninger stated they could and noted thirty percent currently applies to all ofthem. Commissioner Kirchoff thought there should not be limit for industrial and then forty percent or more for the others, Commissioner Casey stated his thought is if they change it to the forty percent they should look at for the best aspects are for the City. He looked at the closest community to them, Coon Rapids, where he believed eighty-five percent of the buildable, developable land could be used. He used them as an example as far as how their layout is and they are using forty percent across the board and fifty percent on industrial which he highly agreed with but he thought for being characteristic of the area and with them being eighty-five percent land use for developable area, the next area to be developed is Andover, He thought to be competitive, particularly in the development market today, they need to be at least at forty percent across the board, similar to a very customary area of Coon Rapids to be competitive in the market place. He thought industrial should be at fifty percent, like Coon Rapids but knowing that the industrial areas they have they could relook at them again as times and conditions change, For the commercial areas, general business he thought it was essential that they move to a forty percent that is similar to Coon Rapids so they can compete. 0 Commissioner Cleveland asked aside from Dynamic Sealing is it fairly common place to have a developer go beyond thirty percent. Mr. Bednarz stated it depends on the type of use and as they see more manufacturing and industrial type uses come into the City they will see that again. Commissioner Cleveland asked if thirty percent was a deal breaker for a lot of these people compared to other cities. Mr. Bednarz stated that was correct. Commissioner Cleveland stated he did not want to jump to one hundred percent but would agree to forty percent for industrial. Commissioner Gudmundson agreed with going forty across the board and thought they needed to think of future economic growth and be competitive and right now they are by far the most restrictive. Commissioner Kirchoff supported what Commissioner Casey stated, Chairperson Daninger stated he did not disagree with this other than being on a conservative end of it. He stated looking at some of the verbiage that was presented this first zoning was adopted by Grow Township and they agree that something needs to be changed, He agreed with Commissioner Casey's comments but ifhe looks statistically at their industrial, the largest they have right now is 29.7% so to increase it by twenty percent is a big increase, past his level of being conservative. He stated he would support the fifty percent but thought they could be more competitive at forty percent and he thought fifty percent was too large of a step to take right away. 0 Commissioner Casey stated ultimately he would like to see fifty percent on industrial only. He stated right now they definitely know as far as a neighborhood commercial and ----- Regular Andover Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes - December 14, 2010 Page 4 0 general business areas, where they are growing, to be competitive on a square foot basis when doing development, looking at other cities, they have to be at forty percent. Commissioner Cleveland thought Commissioner Casey had a point that ifthis has not been a huge issue previously they should go up incrementally. He stated he could agree with forty or forty-five percent. Commissioner Kirchoff did not think it would be a deal breaker if it was forty-five percent. Commissioner Holthus wondered if there are any State Statutes regarding buildable area. Mr. Bednarz stated there was not. Commissioner Holthus did not think they should be restrictive for industrial or manufacturing in any way. She stated she did not mind the idea of Commissioner Casey's idea at all of having it all forty percent but industrial fifty percent. Chairperson Daninger the Commission was all in agreement on the options two and three are out and all agree that LB, NB, SC and GB should be forty percent so the question was ifthe Commission felt industrial should be at forty or fifty percent. Commissioner Gudmundson did not think it would make that much of a difference but 0 leaned towards forty percent because they have been the same across the board in the past. Commissioner Kirchoff stated he would go with fifty percent. Commissioner Cleveland stated he would like to see industrial at fifty percent with the rest at forty percent. Commissioner Holthus stated she agreed with Commissioner Cleveland. Commissioner Casey stated he would make industrial fifty percent. Chairperson Daninger stated he would have voted for fifty percent. Motion by Cleveland, seconded by Casey, to recommend to the City Council approval of staff recommendation for changes in the City Code 12-3-5 to increase the allowable land coverage for buildings, LB-40%, NB-40%, SC-40%, GB-40% and 1-50%. Motion carried on a 6-ayes, O-nays, I-absent (Walton) vote. Mr. Bednarz stated that this item would be before the Council at the December 21,2010 City Council meeting. OTHER BUSINESS. Mr. Bednarz updated the Planning Commission on related items. Chairperson Daninger thanked the Sue Osbeck, the recording secretary, for her excellent service to Andover and wished her well. 0 Regular Andover Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes - December 14, 2010 Page 5 0 ADJOURNMENT. Motion by Kirchoff, seconded by Casey, to adjourn the meeting at 7:33 p,m, Motion carried on a 6-ayes, O-nays, I-absent (Walton) vote. Respectfully Submitted, Sue Osbeck, Recording Secretary TimeSaver Off Site Secretarial, Inc. 0 0