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PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION
Regular Meeting - July 12, 1977
AGENDA
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
1. Cornm. #6-77-4 Leonard McLaughlin Variance Request Continued
2. Comm. #12-76-5 Lot Split Ordinance
3. Comm. #7-77-1 Lawrence B. Carlson Sketch Plan
4. Comm. #7-77-2 Briar Lane Estates Sketch Plan
5. Cornm. #7-77-3 New View Sketch Plan
6. Comm. #7-77-4 Cunningham Addition Sketch Plan
7. Comm. #7-77-5 Rosella Sonsteby Sketch Plan
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8. Comm. #6-77-6
Revised Zoning Ordinance Discussion
9. Ordinance Violations Report
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CITY of ANDOVER
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REGULAR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING
July 12, 1977
Minutes
The Regular Meeting of the Andover Planning and Zoning Commission was
called to order at 7:30 P.M. by Chairman Don Jacobson on July 12, 1977
at the Andover Community Center, 1685 Crosstown Boulevard NW, Anoka,
Minnesota 55303.
Commissioners Present: d'Arcy Bosell, Walter Bruns, James Elling,
Ralph Kishel, Larry Retzlaff
Commissioner Absent: John Johanson
Minutes of June 28, 1977
Correction: page 2 - 2nd paragraph - change "June" to "July"
Motion by Commissioner Retzlaff, seconded by Commissioner Bosell, to
approve the Minutes of June 28 as amended. Motion carried unanimously.
Leonard McLaughlin Variance Request Continued (Comm. #6-77-4)
Chairman Jacobson talked to the City Attorney today and it was his (the
Attorney's) opinion that Mr. McLaughlin did not need a variance from the
City of Andover. All he needed was a better legal description so as
to not describe lots 11 and 12 in his legal description. With a better
legal he would just take it down to the court house and record it. He
is starting out with 2 lots and ending up with 2 lots. He is not creating
any new parcels. It was suggested that we just scratch this from the
agenda. Mr. McLaughlin was contacted by phone today and was agreeable
to it.
Lawrence B. Carlson Sketch Plan (Comm. #7-77-1)
Mr. Carlson presented a plat containing over 130 acres of land and the
minimum lot size is 2% acres. The park land, 13+ acres, is high, usable
ground. The Plat is in Section 4 at Verdin Street and 181st Avenue and
is zoned R-1.
The Planning and Zoning Commission and Mr. Carlson discussed and/or
commented on the following: (1) lot size of lots 1 and 6 of block 5
and lots 4 and 6 of block 4; (2) lot 6 of block 3 has 292' on the county
road; (3) all the corner lots must be 15' wider; (4) temporary cul-de-sacs
on 177th Lane and 179th Avenue to the West; (5) whether lots 1 and 8
of block 4 were buildable with the pipeline easement going through;
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Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting
Minutes - July 12, 1977
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(6) a letter from the pipeline company giving approval for what Mr.
Carlson is proposing; (7) extension of Arrowhead into Verdin Acres;
(8) 177th Lane - Block 4 is too long;(9) a 10' dedicated walkway is
needed to provide access to the park.
Mr. Carlson will make or look into the changes discussed and prepare
the preliminary plat.
Briar Lane Estates Sketch Plan (Comm. #7-77-2)
Clayton Orttel, Jr,
Orttel, Sr., owner.
Avenue and is zoned
developer, presented the sketch plan for Clayton
It is a 59 acre parcel in Section 13, off 157th
R-1.
Some of the items discussed by Mr. Orttel and the Planning and Zoning
Commission were: (1) length of streets - the proposed Ilex Street
is too long; (2) Lot 4 of Block 3 - no lot can be larger than twice the
average lot size - suggested making it park land; (3) must have authority
from the owner in writing to go ahead with the plat; (4) no park land
is shown; (5) 159th Avenue should perhaps have a temporary cul-de-sac;
(6) lots 1 and 2 of Block 4 are too small and also lots 3 and 5 of block
3; (7) lot 4 of block 3 has double frontage which is not allowed; (8)
soil borings will be required; (9) the 20 contiguous acres also owned
should be shown on the preliminary plat; (10) in order to develop the
20 acres to the north, there should be some logical extension for road
purposes; (11) the plat is in the Coon Creek Watershed District, therefore
the Watershed Board will have to review the plat and perhaps require
ponding, etc.
Mr. Orttel will go ahead with the preliminary platting after taking
into account the items mentioned above.
Rosella Sonsteby Sketch Plan (Comm. #7-77-5)
Mrs. Sonsteby explained that the land she wants to plat is a little more
than 20 acres, is south of Round Lake, in Section 29, has R-1 zoning, 7 lots,
and they are large, pretty, wooded lots. When the Planning and Zoning
Commission pointed out the minimum 330' frontage required on all lots
and 2~ acres, Mrs. Sonsteby stated that she is making smaller lots because
she feels that City sewer assessments will soon be there and also people
don't want such big lots.
Discussion: (1) proposed park land on Round Lake with no road access;
(2) lot 1 doesn't meet any of the requirements; (3) she has the option
of applying for a rezoning; (4) extension of 143rd Avenue; (5) temporary
cul-de-sac; (6) Ordinance 8, Section 4.33 (C) 4. - which requires a
special permit for grading and filing on shore land lots; (7) Ordinance
8, Section 4.33 (d) 2. - shore land plats must be approved by the State
and DNR; (8) none of the lots meet the 330' frontage or the 2~-acre
requirements. Mrs. Sonsteby will have to change the subdivision in order
to meet the Ordinance requirements.
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New View Sketch Plan (Comm. #7-77-3)
Ray Allatore and Charles Hartfiel, developers of the property, were
present to discuss their proposal with the Commission. It is a 8.7
acre parcel to be divided into 21 lots in Section 29 and there is R-4
zoning in the area.
Discussion: (1) lot 1, block 1 has only 80' frontage; (2) the developers
proposed dedicating lots 3 and 4 of block 1 as park land; (3) extension
of Quay Street would not match the existing Quay Street in the Quickstrarn
Addition; (4) the piece of land between this plat and Quickstrom's
Addition; (5) the plat was originally submitted in February, 1973, and
then withdrawn; (6) Ordinance 8, Section 4.03 (g) non-conforming use on
open land for 3 years; (7) corner lot has to be larger; (8) Ordinance
10, Section 9.06 A 1. and 2.;-(9) with R-4 zoning, only every 3rd lot
can be built on until sewer carnes.
The Planning and Zoning Commission would like the Attorney's opinion
on Ordinance 8, Section 4.03 G. The Chairman will take care of it and
the developers will be notified.
c=> Cunningham Addition Sketch Plan (Comm. #7-77-4)
The developer was not present and had not submitted the sketch plan
materials. This will be on the next meeting's agenda.
Lot Split Ordinance (Comm. #12-76-5)
This item was approved by the Commission and then sent to the City
Council. At the last meeting, the City Council sent it back to the
Planning and Zoning Commission for further work. Chairman Jacobson
read City Council Minutes and told what the City Council wants. They
want the Planning and Zoning Commission to look into the following:
change park dedication fees; philosophy of the ordinance - they would
like to encourage development in the Urban area and not in the Rural
area; look at having a division greater than 2 instead maybe 3 or 4;
the need for engineering services that would be required.
Discussed park fees - all agreed to change to $100 park fee per lot.
Discussed how many lots to have. The intent was that if more than 2
lots were desired, they could get a variance for more. The Commission
will leave it as is.
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Discussed engineering services
states,"Such other information
intent of the lot split"
- #5 would take care of that,which
as may be required to fully represent the
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On page 2 - Section III B. Commissioner Bruns mentioned that the
language didn't seem to be right. After discussion, the Commission
changed the sentence to read "Upon receipt of an application for a lot
split, the Clerk shall notify by mail all property owners within 350
feet of the property the date of the review of such lot split."
In Section I the Commission changed the sentence to read itA lot split
is any division of a lot, parcel or tract of land into not more than
two (2) parcels."
Motion by Commissioner Bosell, seconded by Commissioner Elling, that
these 3 changes be incorporated into the lot split ordinance and sent
back to the City Council for consideration: (1) definition (Section
I) to add a period after the word "~arcels" and to delete the rest of
the sentence. (2) Section III - B - change to read: Upon receipt of
an application for a lot split, the Clerk shall notify by mail all
property owners within 350 feet of the property the date of the review
of such lot split. (3) Section V - B - to change the charge for park
dedication to $100 for each lot created.
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Amendment by Commissioner Retzlaff, seconded by Commissioner Bruns,
that the Planning and Zoning Commission has considered the recommendations
of the City Council and after further consideration, the Planning and
Zoning Commission recommends that the Andover City Council adopt the
revised lot split ordinance.
Motion and amendment carried unanimously.
Ordinance Violations Report
Discussed what could be done regarding Ordinance Violations previously
reported. Chairman Jacobson will ask the City Council what might be
done at the next (July 19, 1977) City Council meeting.
Meadow Creek Baptist Church has a private school (K - 10) with 300 to
500 children enrolled. They recently had their ground breaking ceremony
for new construction for the school. Chairman Jacobson will call Rev.
Valentine about the special use permit and then will proceed to the City
Counc i 1.
Revised Zoning Ordinance Discussion (Comm. #6-77-6)
The Planning and Zoning Commission set Monday, July 18th at 7:30 P.M.
for a special meeting to review the new zoning ordinance proposed.
Ad;ournment
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Motion by Commissioner Bosell, seconded by Commissioner Bruns, to adjourn.
Motion carried unanimously. Meeting adjourned at loi05 P.M.
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Deloris J. Han~on