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PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISS ION
Regular Meeting - February 8, 1977
AGENDA
Approval of Minutes
l. Comm. #4-76-8
Barnes Rolling Oaks 2nd Addition
Preliminary Plat
2. Comm. #1-77-2 Rosella Sonsteby Garage Moving Permit
3. Comm. #1-77-3 James Refrigeration Special Use Permit
4. Comm. 1f12-76-5 Lot Split Ordinance Discussion
5. Comm. iH-77-4 Discussion of Charge to Subcommittee
for Ordinance Revision
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REGULAR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING
February 8, 1977
MINUTES
The Regular Meeting of the Andover Planning and Zoning Commission was
called to order at 7:30 P.M. by Chairman Don Jacobson on February 8,
1977 at the Andover Community Center, 1685 Crosstown Boulevard NW,
Anoka, Minnesota 55303.
Commissioners Present: Walter Bruns, James Elling, John Johanson,
Ralph Kishel (arrived at 8:50 P.M.), Larry
Retzlaff
Robert McClure (appointed to a 3-year term on the Planning and Zoning
Commission on January 10, 1977) was appointed to the City Council on
January 3l, 1977. The City Council will choose someone to take Mr.
McClure's place on the Planning and Zoning Commission.
Also present: Rex Stockwell - City Engineer from T.K.D.A., and others
Minutes of January 25, 1977
Corrections: page 2/James Refrigeration/2nd paragraph - Change "3-
pump" to "2-pump" and "2 regular gas pumps" to "1 regular gas pump".
Motion by Commissioner Bruns, seconded by Commissioner Retzlaff, to
approve the meetings Minutes of January 25th as corrected. Motion
carried unanimously.
Barnes' Rolling Oaks 2nd Addition Preliminary Plat (Comm. #4-76-8)
Engineer Stockwell gave the Commission a letter dated 2-7-77 ( copy
attached) and reviewed it with them. The Commission also received
information from the Coon Creek Watershed Board's Engineer (copy is
attached) .
Mr. Barnes' Engineer, Gene Hakanson, had previously prepared a storm
drainage plan and submitted it to the Coon Creek Watershed Board. In
reviewing the plat, the Watershed Board recommended a number of ponding
areas. Mr. Barnes, Mr. Hakanson, and Rex Stockwell met today at the
site to discuss the ponding. They agreed to eliminate the northern
pond. By enlarging the other ponds and their easements, this would not
decrease the lot size below the minimum requirement. Northern Natural
Gas Company has an easement through the area and Mr. Hakanson will
check with them about excavating or filling over their gas line.
The County Ditch is in conformance with the recommendation.
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Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting
Minutes - February 8, 1977
Page 2
The changed road right-of-way on Prairie Road will make the lots and
the park along Prairie Road about 20' larger. Discussion of definition
of easement - drainage and maintainance. They are redesigning the roadway
of Palm Street for drainage purposes. Engineer Stockwell will contact
the Coon Creek Watershed Board to see if the plat is still acceptable
with the ponding revisions.
Motian by Commissioner Retzlaff, seconded by Commissioner Bruns, to continue
the public hearing on Barnes' Rolling Oaks 2nd Addition to February
22nd Regular Planning and Zoning meeting to give the developer more
time to comply with the Engineering firm's letter and time to get the
response back from Northern Natural Gas Company. Motion carried unanimously.
Rosella Sonsteby Garage Moving Permit (Comm. #1-77-2)
Mrs. Sonsteby withdrew her request.
James Refrigeration Special Use Permit (Comm. #1-77-3)
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Charles James and Stanley Biggin were present. The Planning Commission
had received revised copies of their proposal. Mr. Biggin said they
were pleased with the revision because it would make traffic problems
fewer. Discussed the illuminated signs; screening - there is a line
of trees there now; future development; reason for the width difference
between the driveways; Attorney Hawkins' letter regarding one permit
for the station and the underground storage tanks.
Motion by Commissioner Bruns, seconded by Commissioner Elling, to close
the public hearing. Motion carried unanimously.
Motion by Commissioner Retzlaff, seconded by Commissioner Johanson,
that the Planning and Zoning Commission recommends to the City Council
approval of the James Refrigeration Special Use Permit for Parcel 5200
of Plat 65918 (the SE~ of Section 18 located at the junction of CSAH
7 & 58). Reasons for the recommendation of approval will be: 1) said
Special Use Permit request complies with provisions of Ordinance 8 and
that the Special Use Permit be granted on Sections 7.03 and 4.26; 2)
refer Attorney Hawkins' letter of January 31, 1977; 3) there wasn't
any negative citizen input; 4) the request is not detrimental to the
health, welfare or well-being of the City. Amendment by Commissioner
Retzlaff, seconded by Commissioner Johanson, that the original plans that
were submitted to the Planning and Zoning Commission at the regular meeting
have now been changed and have the Fire Marshall's approval of 2-2-77
on the revision. Amendment and motion carried unanimously.
This will be on the City Council Agenda on March 1, 1977.
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Planning and zoning Commission Meeting
Minutes - February 8, 1977
Page 3
Charge to Subcommittee for Ordinance Revision (Comm. #1-77-4)
Chairman Jacobson had prepared a 2-page document regarding the guide
to the Subcommittee that was distributed to the Commission. They reviewed
and discussed: paragraph 1; paragraph 4 - adding Engineer; funding;
not dissolving the Committee at the end of the time stated but leavlng
it as a "standing committee"; where to meet and how much ahead of time
the meeting has to be posted. The Commission changed the 1st paragraph
by deletlng the word "amending" and adding the word "recommending" at.ter
"otherwise". They changed paragraph 4 by adding in the 1st sentence
after necessary legal "and engineering" and after Andover city Attorney
"and engineering firm".
Motion by Commissioner Bruns, seconded by Commissioner Retzlaff, that
the Planning and Zoning Commission accept the Chairman's Charge to
the Subcommittee for Ordinance Review (copy attached) as amended.
Motion carried unanimously,
Lot Split Ordinance Discussion (Comm. #12-76-5)
The Commission reviewed Commissioner Bruns' draft of a Lot Split Ordinance.
They discussed: whether to allow splits into only 2 lots or if they
should allow 3 or more; whether a lot split would cause problems with
lots not being in conformance with the surrounding area; whether to
notify the property owners within 350' of a lot split and to have a
public hearing; talked about how many times a person can split their
land; whether the rural area should be the same restrictions as the
urban area.
The Commission decided to study this further and all be prepared to
approve a final draft at the next regular meeting.
Subcommittee for Ordinance Revision
walter Bruns will be the Commissioner who will take Robert McClure's
place on the Subcommittee for O~dinance Revision.
Planning Seminars presented by the Center for the Study of Local Government
The Center is sponsoring 4 workshops on: 1 - land use planning 2 -
zoning functions 3 - legal foundations of planning and zoning 4 -
subdivision regulations. Four of the Commission members were certain
they could go to at least one of the meetings. It was suggested that
everyone go to a different meeting in order to garner all the materials
and information possible.
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Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting
Minutes - February 8, 1977
Page 4
Motion by Commissioner Retzlaff, seconded by Commissioner Kishel,
that the Planning and Zoning Commission recommends that the City Council
reimburse the Planning and zoning Commission members the seminar fee
of $20 per person and mileage for attending the Center for the study
of Local Government's Planning Seminars. Motion carried unanlmously.
Adjournment
Motion by Commissioner Bruns, seconded by Commissioner Retzlaff,
to adjourn. Motion carried unanimously. Meeting adjourned at 10:10P.M.
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TOLTZ, KING, DUVALL, ANDERSON AND ASSQCIATES INCORPORATED
ENGINEERS AND ARCHITECTS
1408 PIONEER BUILDING
SAINT PAUL., MINNESOTA
55101 224 -7891
TEL.EX 29-7461
February 7, 1977
RICHARD M, BARKER
OWEN J. BEATTY
CARREL H, BERKOWITZ
ROBERT A. BOYER
JAMES C. BROTEN
ARNDT J. DUVALl.
HUGO G. ERICKSON
WILLIAM J. FEYDER
ROYCE B. HANSEN
STEPHEN M. HARTLEY
WESTLY J. HENDRICKSON
CLIFFORD E. JOHNSON
DuWAYNE R. KASMA
J, THOMAS KIRK
DAVID W. KIRKWOLD
A. DEAN LUNDHOLM
ROBERT T. MALONEY
DENNIS R. MARTENSON
RICHARD D. MENKEN
LEONARD G. MILLER
WAYNE A OLSON
DUANE T. PREW
RUDOLPH p, RAITOR
ROBERT R. RYDER
WILLIAM T. SHERIDAN
ABE J. SPERLING
ROBERT G. SPURR
WALTER W. THORPE
JAMES E. VOYEN
NATHAN F. WEBER
Planning and Zoning Commission
Andover, Minnesota
Re:
Barnes Rolling Oaks Second Addition
Preliminary Plat Review
Andover, Minnesota
Commission No. 6223-77
Gentlemen:
We have reviewed the revised preliminary plat dated
January 31, 1977 and the storm drainage study for
Barnes Rolling Oaks Second Addition. Attached to this
letter is a copy of our most recent correspondence with the
discussing required information in the preliminary stage.
GEORGE J. SCHROEPFER
CLIFFORD W. HAMBLIN
EDWARD J. BOOTH
City of Andover
The following are our comments regarding the revised plat and storm drain-
age study:
1. The Coon Creek Watershed Board has reviewed the preliminary plat.
They approved the plat contingent upon (1) a 100' easement, 50' either
side of the county ditch and (2) response from Northern Natural Gas
Company for filling over gas easement.
2. The developer has written Northern Natural Gas Company and is
awaiting a response about filling over the easement.
3. The revised plat includes the required 100' drainage easement along
the county ditch.
4. The revised plat conforms with the required right of way alignment
for Prairie Road. The legal description must be revised to include
dedication of the west one half of Prairie Road.
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February 7, 1977
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5. The storm drainage study prepared for the plat recommends three
storm drainage ponds to conform with the Coon Creek Watershed
requirements. Several revisions are required for these ponds and
will be discussed with the Commission.
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Minor street profile revisions are required.
designed to provide complete drainage to the
site s.
The streets must be
recommended ponding
7. A drainage easement will be required for each ponding site. The
easements are necessary for future maintenance by the City to
assure proper drainage as designed. Normal maintenance such as
mowing is generally completed by the owner of the property.
We have discussed these requirements with the developer.
We will review this letter with the Commission at the February 8, 1977
meeting.
Very truly yours,
TOLTZ, KING, DUVALL, ANDERSON
AND ASSOCIATES, INCORPORATED
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cc: Patricia K. Lindquist, Clerk
Mr. William Hawkins, Attorney
Mr. Fay Barnes, Developer
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ENGINEERS AND ARCHITECTS
1408 PIONEER,BUILDING
SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA
SSIOI 224-7891
December 6, 1976
Andover City Council
Andover, Minnesota 55303
Re:
Barnes' Rolling Oaks 2nd Addition
Preliminary Plat
Andover, Minnesota
Commission No. 6223-76
Council Members:
We are writing this letter to provide you with information pertaining to the
current status of the preliminary plat stage for Barnes' Rolling Oaks 2nd
Addition in the City of Andover.
Since the Planning and Zoning Commission recommendation of approval on
November 9, 1976, the City has received correspondence from the Coon
Creek Watershed' Board requiring the following:
I) 100 foot drainage easement, 50 feet on either side of the center-
line of County Ditch No. 20.
2) Calculations and design for restricting the amount of run-off to
that which would occur without any development based on a 100
year storm.
We have also completed the final alignment of Prairie Road (MSAH #101)
through this area. The final alignment varies considerably with that shown
on the preliminary plat. The preliminary plat must be revised to conform
with our final alignment.
The Anoka County Highway Department has installed a new 36" CMP culvert
under Andover Blvd. on County Ditch No. 20. The Coon Creek Watershed
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December 6, 1976
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Board will no longer allow an increase in runoff from the plat into the
ditch. The developer, therefore, cannot be required to increase the size
of this culvert if the culvert is found to be too small. We will know what
size culvert is necessary after the Comprehensive Storm Drainage plan
is completed for the area. At that time a replacement program for all
inadequate culverts should be developed.
As a resul~ of the new information required, revised street profiles and
drainage structures will be necessary in conjunction with an engineering
study of present and future surface water runoff. We recommend the pre-
liminary plat be referred to the Planning and Zoning Commission for the
above revisions so the final stages of the preliminary plat can be completed.
Very truly yours,
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AND ASSOCIATES, INCORPORATED
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RWS:pp
cc: Mrs. Faye Barnes
Mr. Brad Wickland
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SUITE 185. 9100 WEST BLOOMINGTON\ti'EEWAY
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BLOOMINGTON. MINNESOTA 55431 . PHONE: 884,5371
.~ January 24, 1977
Mr. Loren Hentges, Chairman
Coon Creek Watershed Board
11873 Northeast Raddison Road
Minneapolis, Minnesota 55434
Re: Project CC i7-1, Reviewal of Barnes Rolling Oaks, 2nd Addition
Dear Mr. Hentges:
The plat contains 40 lots of approximately 2-1/2 acres per lot, zoned single family
rural. The plat was received on January 20,1977.
Four items are noted:
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1) The rational formula was used to determine the additional runoff. This formula
should not be used in areas this large, however, it is broken down into several
sub-areas. The detention basins shown are more than adequate to contain the
additional runoff calculated. The drainage plain which has been submitted will
adequately handle the additional runoff.
Two of the detention basins are located partially within the Northern Natural
Gas pipel ine easement. Mr. Hakanson has w"itten a letter to the Gas Company re-
garding their proposal and as yet, has not received their comments.
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that the policy for easements is 50' on either side of the ditch. They will
change tile easement to conform to the Watershed Board's policy.
4) Most of these basins will be located on sand with absorb~ion rates ranging fr~m
0.6 mins./inch to 4.6 mins./inch, which indicates that 2' of water in the basins
will seep into the g~ound within a couple of hours.
In conclusion, the plat fulfills the Watershed Board requirements for drainage atten-
uation with two provisions:
1) the detention basins located on pipeline are approved by Northern Natural Gas Co.
2)' ease~2nts are granted to the Watershed Board as required on Ditch No. 20.
Sincerely,
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Warren J. Israelson
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SUITE 185,9100 WEST BLOOMINGTON FREEWAY
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February 7, 1977
Mr. Fay R. Barnes
541 Northwest Andover Boulevard
Anoka, Minnesota 55303
Re: Barnes Rolling Oaks, 2nd Addition (Proj. CC 77-1)
Dear Mr. Barnes:
The Coon Creek Watershed Board has reviewed the plans for Barnes Rolling Oaks,
2nd Addition and has approved the plat with the 2 restrictions listed on the
attached letter. In addition, we are requesting that your engineer send us the
calculations, size and grade of the culvert that is needed under the service road
where it crosses County Ditch #20. We are recommending that this culvert handle
at least a 10 year flood.
Enclosed are permit forms to be filled out for any proposed work in or next to
County Ditch #20. Also enclosed is an easement form to be followed by the surveyor
for the easements along County Ditch #20.
If you have any questions, please call me.
Sincerely,
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Mark W. Schumacher
Engineer
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Enc1 osures
cc: Hakanson, Anderson & Associates
Lot Surveys Co.
Coon Creek Watershed Board Secretary, Mrs. Braastad
City of Andover
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SUBCOMMITTEE FOR ORDINANCE REVIEW CHARGE
The Andover Planning and Zoning Commission hereby charges the
Subcommittee for Ordinance Review with the following responsibilities
in connection with reviewing, rewriting and otherwise recommending
changing the ordinances of the City of Andover.
The Subcommittee shall begin its efforts at revision with
Ordinances No.8, 10, l7 and any other ordinance which, in
the Committee's determination, should be included in the
complete revision of aforementioned ordinances. The Subcommittee
Chairman, or his designee, will, at every regular Planning and
Zoning Commission meeting, update the full Commission as
to its progress. Drafts of all proposed ordinance changes,
when approved by the Subcommittee, shall be brought to the full
Commission for a full and complete review.
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The Subcommittee's work is advisory only and subject to the
review of the full Planning and Zoning Commission, with final
approval or denial of any changes the prerogative of the Andover
City Council.
The Subcommittee will be guided by applicable Minnesota statutes
and is hereby authorized to seek necessary legal and engineering
advice advice from the Andover City Attorney and engineering
firm in the redrafting of said ordinances. The Subcommittee,
if it shall find it necessary to expend monies for assistance,
shall forward a written request for said money to the full
Commission and that request shall outline the scope of work
and cost. If consultants are needed, a proposal from the consulting
firm shall also be included. If the Commission deems the request
appropriate, the Commission shall request funding fram the Andover
Ci ty Counci 1.
The Subcommittee may contact any and all persons they see fit
in the performance of their duty and shall have the assistance
of the Clerk of the Planning and Zoning Commission to assist
them in gathering data and other such activities.
The Subcommittee is authorized to hold meetings at time and
places as they see fit, but all such meetings shall be noted
with the Clerk, posted as public meetings and open to the
general public at all times in accordance with State statutes.
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Subcommittee for Ordinance Review Charge, continued
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The Subcommittee shall report back to the Andover Planning
and Zoning Commission with their recommendations on changes
to Ordinances No.8, 10, l7 and others the Subcommittee has
seen fit to have reviewed by no later than May 1, 1977.
Following resolution of the above-mentioned ordinances, the
Subcommittee shall review all other ordinances of the City
and report back to the full Commission no later than September
1, 1977 with their recommendations. Following the completion
of these responsibilities, the Subcommittee shall be dissolved.
This charge may be amended, if needed, by action of a majority
vote of the full Commission at any regular Planning and Zoning
Commission meeting.