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CITY of ANDOVER
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PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION
Regular Meeting - January 11, 1977
AGENDA
Approval of Minutes
1. Comm. #4-76-8
Barnes' Rolling Oaks 2nd Addition
Preliminary Plat
2. Comm. #1-77-1
Great Oak Estates Sketch Plan
3. Comm. #1-77-2
Rosella Sonsteby Garage Moving Permit
4. Comm. #12-76-4 Zoning of Ramsey Annexation Discussion
5. Comm. #12-76-5 Lot Split Ordinance Discussion
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Publish on January 7, 1977
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CITY of ANDOVER
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REGULAR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING
January 11, 1977
MINUTES
The Regular Meeting of the Andover Planning and Zoning Commission was
called to order at 7:30 P.M. by Acting Chairman Larry Retzlaff on January
11, 1977, at the Andover Community Center, 1685 Crosstown Boulevard
NW, Anoka, Minnesota 55303.
Commissioners Present: Walter Bruns, James Elling, John Johanson (arrived
at 7:40), and Ralph Kishel
Commissioners Absent: Don Jacobson and Robert McClure
Also Present: Andover Councilman Ken Orttel and others
Minutes
Motion by Commissioner Kishe1, seconded by Commissioner Retzlaff, to
approve the Minutes of December 14, 1976. Vote on motion: yes-
Commissioner Retzlaff, Commissioner Kishel; present - Commissioner
Elling, Commissioner Bruns. Motion carried.
Barnes' Rolling Oaks 2nd Addition Preliminary Plat (Comm. #4-76-8)
Faye Barnes, owner, was present and gave copies of his plat to the new
Planning and Zoning Commission members. The Commission received a letter
(copy attached) from T.K.D.A. dated December 6, 1976 which explained
the Coon Creek Watershed Board's recommendations on the plat. The
Plat was referred back to the Commission by the City Council on their
meeting of December 7, 1976. Mr. Barnes has had his Engineer prepare
the information requested by the Coon Creek Watershed Board and the
plat will have to be resubmitted and reviewed by them before the Planning
Commission can take any further action.
Motion by Commissioner Kishe1, seconded by Commissioner Bruns, to continue
discussion on the Barnes' Plat until February 8, the first meeting
in February. Motion carried unanimously.
Great Oak Estates Sketch Plan (Comm. #1-77-1)
LeRoy Winner, surveyor, and Richard Hoggatt, one of the owners, were
present to discuss the proposed plat. The property is located on Eidelweiss
Street, North of Bunker Lake Road, and between Crooked Lake School and
Coon Creek. There are 2 existing houses and 5 proposed new lots in
the plat. City sewer has been installed and the street is class 5.
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Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting
Minutes - January 11, 1977
Page 2
The Commission, Mr. Hoggatt, and Mr. Winner discussed: the zoning
of the land; whether the smaller lots of Block 1 would allow houses
compatible with the 2 existing houses on Block 2; money instead of
land for park purposes; Eidelweiss Street - who owns it, paperwork
required if the City doesn't own it; if paving, curb & gutter, storm
sewer, etc., are to be installed or a temporary or permanent cul-de-sac
is necessary; Ordinance lO - Sections 9.03 and lO.08 in particular;
the size of lot 1, block 1.
The Commission advised Mr. Hoggatt and Mr. Winner to check with an
Attorney and the Engineer regarding Eidelweiss Street - ownership and
improvements, or upgrading, necessary before proceeding with the preliminary
plat.
Rosella Sonsteby Garage Moving Permit (Comm. #1-77-2)
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Mrs. Sonsteby showed the Commission a picture of the 40 x 50 garage
she would like to have moved from the Ghostley property, one mile to
the North, to her property at 4100 - 7th Avenue. Ernst Movers will
do the moving of the structure and would move it across a field and then
only ~ mile on 7th Avenue.
The Commission attempted to determine exactly where the garage would
be located. It was decided that they would like to see the building
and more information regarding location before a decision is made.
Motion by Commissioner Kishel, seconded by Commissioner Bruns, that
the garage moving permit be continued until the next meeting (January
25, 1977). Motion carried unanimously.
Zoning of Ramsey Annexation Discussion (Comm. #12-76-4)
Commissioner Retzlaff explained that the City Council, at their December
7, 1976 meeting, has referred this to the Commission for discussion.
When the land was annexed, it was designated R-1 Zoning. Now a number
of 1-acre lots have been built on, resulting in non-conforming use.
The Commission discussed the fact that the Moratorium Ordinance states
"no rezoning" until July 1, 1977; and that Ordinance /f8, the zoning
Ordinance, will be reviewed and revised soon.
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Motion by Commissioner Bruns, seconded by Commissioner Kishel, that
the Planning and Zoning Commission recommends to the City Council that
the property secured through annexation from the City of Ramsey be
retained as R-1 Zoning for the following reasons: 1) we will soon be
reviewing all the land uses and have a study made for future land use
planning and, at that time, can look at the zoning of this property;
2) no improvements (such as sewer, water, etc.) in the area that would
necessitate changing the zoning; 3) the Moratorium Ordinance (#36)
currently in effect. Motion carried unanimously.
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Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting
Minutes - January 11, 1977
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Lot Split Ordinance Discussion (Comm. #12-76-5)
Commissioner Retzlaff explained the reason for the Ordinance Request
being placed on the Agenda. With all the sewer, storm sewer, and street
improvements recently and the high cost of assessments, a number of
property owners are interested in splitting or dividing their property.
Rather than go through the platting procedure, which could be a financial
hardship, it has been suggested that a new Ordinance be adopted regarding
lot splitting. It was mentioned that there should be a limit on the
number of lots that could be split in this manner and also the minimum
acreage. Some Cities use the Variance as the instrument for splitting
lots. The book "Local and Regional Planning by Gunnar Isberg", that
former Commission members have received, has information relating to
waiving platting requirements. Discussed variances, how the updating
and revising of the ordinances will be done, and who will do the revising.
The Commission reviewed the "lot split" portion of the Coon Rapids
Ordinance and requested examples of similar ordinances being used by
other Cities. They also requested that the new members of the Commission
be provided with a copy of Mr. Isberg's book.
The Lot Split Ordinance discussion will be placed on the next Agenda
for further review and more information.
Ad;ournment
Motion by Commissioner Johanson, seconded by Commissioner Elling, to
adjourn. Motion carried unanimously.
Meeting adjourned at 9:45 P.M.
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Tom, KING, DUVALL, ANDERSON AND ASSOCIATES INCORPORATED
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ENGINEERS AND ARCHITECTS
1408 PIONEER BUILDING
SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA
55101 224.-7B91
December 6, 1976
Andover City Council
Andover, Minnesota 55303
Re:
Barnes' Rolling Oaks 2nd Addition
Preliminary Plat
Andover, Minnesota
Commission No. 6223-76
Council Members:
We are writing this letter to provide you with information pertaining to the
current status of the preliminary plat stage for Barnes' Rolling Oaks 2nd
Addition in the City of Andover.
Since the Planning and Zoning Commission recommendation of approval on
November 9, 1976, the City has received correspondence from the Coon
Creek Watershed Board requiring the following:
1) 100 foot drainage easement, 50 feet on either side of the center-
line of County Ditch No. 20.
2) Calculations and design for restricting the amount of run-off to
that which would occur without any development based on a 100
year storm.
We have also completed the final alignment of Prairie Road (MSAH #101)
through this area. The final alignment varies considerably with that shown
on the preliminary plat. The preliminary plat must be revised to conform
with our final alignment.
The Anoka County Highway Department has installed a new 36" CMP culvert
under Andover Blvd. on County Ditch No. 20. The Coon Creek Watershed
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Andover City Council
December 6, 1976
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Board will no longer allow an increase in runoff from the plat into the
ditch. The developer, therefore, cannot be required to increase the size
of this culvert if the culvert is found to be too small. We will know what
size culvert is necessary after the Comprehensive Storm Drainage plan
is completed for the area. A t that time a replacement program for all
inadequate culverts should be developed.
As a result of the new information required, revised street profiles and
drainage structures will be necessary in conjunction with an engineering
study of present and future surface water runoff. We recommend the pre-
liminary plat be referred to the Planning and Zoning Commission for the
above revisions so the final stages of the preliminary plat can be completed.
Very truly yours,
TOLTZ, KING, DUVALL, ANDERSON
AND ASSOCIATES, INCORPORATED
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Rex W. Stockwell
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cc: Mrs. Faye Barnes
Mr. Brad Wickland