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Approval of Minutes
1. Comm. #5-78-1
2. Comm. #4-78-2
3. Comm. #4-78-5
4. Comm. #5-78-2
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5. Comm. #5-78-3
6. Comm. #5-78-4
7. Comm. #5-78-5
8. Comm. #5-78-6
9. Comm. 1F5-78-7
10. Comm. #5-78-8
11. Comm. #5-78-9
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PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION
REGULAR MEETING
May 9, 1978
7:30 P.M.
AGENDA
James Refrigeration Variance
James Refrigeration Special Use Permit
Continued Public Hearing
Dostaler-Hane Preliminary Plat Public Hearing
Galen Ferrian Special Use Permit Public Hearing
Harvey Kadlec Sketch Plan
Dean Lutterman Sketch Plan
Charles Hartfiel Proposed Road Location
Stanley Knoll Sketch Plan
Rosella Sonsteby Sketch Plan
Discussion on Ordinance #37 - Septic System Maintenance
Sonterre Sketch Plan
For Publication on May 5, 1978
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REGULAR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING
May 9, 1978
MINUTES
The Regular Meeting of the Planning and Zoning Commission was called
to order at 7:30 P.M. by Chairman Larry Retzlaff on May 9, 1978 at the
Andover Community Center, 1685 Crosstown Boulevard NW, Anoka, Minnesota.
Commissioners Present: d'Arcy Bosell, Walter Dick, James Elling,
Ralph Kishel, Jeannine Pyron
Commissioner Absent: George Hamilton
Also Present: Dewey Kasma, City Engineer - T.K.D.A., and others
Minutes
Motion by Commissioner Kishel, seconded by Commissioner Elling, to
approve the April 25, 1978 Minutes. Motion carried unanimously.
James Refrigeration Variance (Comm. #5-78-1)
Chairman Retzlaff has asked Attorney William G. Hawkins for clarification
on the NB zoning lot size requirement. Attorney Hawkins stated that
2 acres is required for a business in the NB district.
Charlie James, James Refrigeration, stated, 'We are requesting a variance
from Ordinance 8 Section 6.02. My interpretation is that the Ordinance
was written previous to the time that sewer was available and we feel
that this lot, 1.05 acres approximately (Plat 65933, Parcel 1610) is
an adequate size for the business we are planning." He was asked
what size lots were used in other cities for convenience stores.
Ham Lake was about 140 x 200 unserviced; Wyoming was 150 x 100 with
all utilities; Lindstrom is 3/4 of an acre with sewer and water; Buffalo
is 1.1 acre with sewer and water; Mora is 7/8 of an acre with all
utilities.
Discussed Ordinance 8, the Variance section, that states a variance may
be granted if a hardship exists that has to do with the characteristics
of the land and not the property owner. This land does not have any
hardship characteristics. Mr. James said the hardship for him is that
the owners of the other 3 parcels want such a large amount of money
for that land that it isn't economically feasible to buy it.
Discussed whether it is feasible to require 2 acres in the area where
City sewer is available to operate a business. Perhaps the intent is
that the NB 2-acre size requirement is for the initial zoning and then
a cluster of businesses can be allowed in that 2-acre NB area.
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Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting
Minutes - May 9, 1978
Page 2
The original sketch that was submitted is being revised. Mr. James said
he has instructed their architect to provide a redwood fence across
the rear of the parcel and has increased the landscaped area off the
County Road from 15 to 20 feet. Discussed the driveway off Bunker that
is 75' into the turn lane. Mr. Redepenning, of the Anoka County Highway
Department, approved the sketch as submitted. Talked about alternatives
for ingress and egress to avoid traffic hazards. The Commission felt
it would be better to shift the driveway to the East. There is one
sewer stub on Parcel #1610. Again discussed pages 51, 52 and 53 of
the Comprehensive Plan. Mr. James said, "I think the 2-acre thing
has more applicability in regard to zoning, in that by setting the
minimum lot size you avoid spot zoning."
Motion by Commissioner Elling, seconded by Commissioner Bosell, to
continue to the next meeting to allow time to revise the sketch showing
new driveway approaches, setbacks and the fence.
Vote on motion: yes - Commissioner Bosell, Commissioner Dick, Commissioner
Elling, Commissioner Pyron; no - Commissioner Kishel, Chairman Retzlaff.
Motion carried.
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James Refrigeration Special Use Permit Continued Public Hearing (Comm. #4-78-2)
Chairman Retzlaff stated that it is his intention to continue the
public hearing on the Special Use Permit until there has been action
on the variance.
Motion by Commissioner Elling, seconded by Commissioner Dick, to continue
the James Refrigeration Special Use Permit Public Hearing. Motion
carried unanimously.
Dostaler-Hane Addition Preliminary Plat Public Hearing (Comm. #4-78-5)
Chairman Retzlaff called the public hearing to order. James Hane and
Iven Dostaler were present. Engineer Kasma reviewed the letter (copy
attached) from T.K.D.A. dated 5-5-78 with the Commission. #1 - there
are no utilities to be shown on the property; #2 - the intent is to
extend from the existing storm sewer serving Meadowood to the intersections
of the Dostaler-Hane Addition; #3 - the acreages shown aren't very
accurate because they have rounded off the numbers but they will be
correct on the final plat; #5 - they will move the existing barn if
necessary - the barn is about 22' from the property line.
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There is a low area along Lipan Street which will be filled by the
developer during the time of street construction. The width of the
lots at the setback line should be shown. The future resubdivision
should be shown. The Park and Recreation Commission is asking for
money in lieu of park land for this development.
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Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting
Minutes - May 9, 1978
Page 3
There is an extra lot on Kiowa Street compared to the sketch plan that
was submitted. The developers were asked to submit a letter from the
Anoka County Highway Department stating their approval of the plat.
Mr. Hane showed the Commission a revised preliminary plat eliminating
the barn and making Lot 7, Block 1 large enough to comply with ordinance
frontage requirements. Chairman Retzlaff asked for public input from
the people in the audience and no one responded.
Motion by Commissioner Kishel, seconded by Commissioner Pyron, to
close the public hearing. Motion carried unanimously.
Motion by Commissioner Kishel, seconded by Commissioner Pyron, to
continue the Dostaler - Hane Addition Preliminary Plat to the next
meeting to give the developer time to revise the preliminary plat.
Motion carried unanimously.
Galen Ferrian Special Use Permit Public Hearing (Comm. #5-78-2)
Chairman Retzlaff called the public hearing to order. Mr. Ferrian
stated he wants to get a permit (and license) to disassemble cars and
sell used auto parts. The name of his business - American Auto Wrecking.
When asked if he intended to put up a building he replied, "No, not
right at this time". He has not made application for the junkyard license.
According to Ordinance 8, Section 3.02 (0000) he has to have a building
to sell used auto parts. Mr. Ferrian already has a house on the property.
He is putting up cedar fencing across the front and metal fence around
the rest. He has had the property for approximately 3 years. On
6-1-76 the City Council denied a Special Use Permit application for
Mr. Ferrian on this property. Mr. Ferrian asked what size building
he would need. The Commission advised him to contact the Building
Inspector about it.
Commissioner Pyron stated her opinion, '~nder Section 5.03 A (of Ordinance
8) the permit shall be granted for the particular use and not for a
particular person or firm and I am against a Special Use Permit for
another disassembly of junk autos - for the sale of used auto parts.
I feel that the amount of the same type of business that we have along
Bunker Lake Boulevard does, under B (Ordinance 8 - Section 5.03), affect
the Comprehensive Plan for the community of Andover. I have two feelings.
I have one that is personal to the City of Andover for my desires and
hopes for it's future and I have another that I must sit here and conform
with City Ordinances and personally I feel you have been sitting on
the property for 3 years as fee owner and you have conducted business
from there for exactly what you are coming here for or similar to."
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Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting
Minutes - May 9, 1978
Page 4
Mr. Ferrian said that he has just started putting cars there
October. Mr. Ferrian's property is in the midst of a number
uses. The property is 172' x 263' - l~ acres approximately.
property is zoned General Business.
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Chairman Retzlaff asked for public input.
William Battson, 1331 - 45th Avenue NE, Minneapolis, informed the
Commission that he owns the junkyard adjacent to Mr. Ferrian. There
is 40 acres there that is primarily all junkyards. He questioned why
the Commission said Mr. Ferrian had to have a building because he
(Mr. Battson) doesn't have to have a building.
Mrs. Galen Ferrian, '~e started out a junkyard but for quite a While
he hasn't had cars there because he was working a job trying to save
money to start a junkyard. He does have 4 children and it's quite a
hassle financially to pay for all the fencing and the building. If
you give him some lenience he will comply. I think we need junkyards
to recycle metal. It helps the consumer to get car parts cheaper.
It creates jobs because he hires other people to help him. I don't
think it's bad to have all these businesses together because we all
help each other. If we don't have the right part for a customer, we
send people to the other businesses and the others do the same. It
is zoned for junkyards."
Motion by Commissioner Bosell, seconded by Commissioner Elling, to
close the public hearing. Motion carried unanimously.
The Commission reviewed the 5-2-78 City Council motion of approval for
a Special Use Permit for Doug Shernell.
Motion by Commissioner Bosell, seconded by Commissioner Dick, that
the Planning and Zoning Commission recommend to the City Council approval
of the Galen Ferrian Special Use Permit (on the following described
property: Lot 1, Watt's Garden Acres in Grow Township, except the
West 1031' thereof, and except the South 122.5' thereof, according to
the plat thereof on file in the Office of the Registrar of Titles of
Anoka County, Minnesota; and the East 107' of the West 1031', lying
North of the South 82.5' of Lot 1, Watt's Garden Acres in Grow Township,
according to the plat thereof on file in the Office of the Registrar
of Titles of Anoka County, Minnesota.) for the operation of a used
auto reduction yard under Ordinance 8 Section 7.03, Special Uses,
for the following reasons: 1) the use would be consistent with the
surrounding area; 2) there was a public hearing held and supportive
comments were noted; 3) the criteria for Special Use Permits is being
met, i.e. fencing; 4) it would not adversely affect the surrounding
area. It is further recommended that the following contingencies be
completed: 1) that the license be applied for under Ordinance 9; and,
2) that a building be constructed as required under Ordinance 8, Section
3.02, (0000) definition of "Used Auto Parts".
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Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting
Minutes - May 9, 1978
Page 5
Vote on motion: yes - Commissioner Dick, Chairman Retzlaff, Commissioner
Bosell; no - Commissioner Elling, Commissioner Pyron, Commissioner
Kishel. Motion tied.
Discussed proper procedure to follow. The Chairman asked for another
vote on the motion. Vote: yes - Chairman Retzlaff, Commissioner
Bosell, Commissioner Dick, Commissioner Kishel; no - Commissioner
Pyron, Commissioner Elling.
Motion carried. This will be on the City Council agenda on June 6,
1978.
Harvey Kadlec Sketch Plan (Comm. #5-78-3)
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Mr. Kadlec presented a sketch plan in Section 9 located between Round
Lake Boulevard and White Oaks Country Estates and l68th Lane. The
property is zoned R-l and he shows 13, 2~-acre lots with a 50' road.
The North ~ of the land is solid oak trees. The South ~ is pines and
open land which is the reason for the jog in the road. He lives on
Lot 2, Block 3, White Oaks. The length of the street shown is 2210'.
Mr. Kadlec will have to rearrange his "T" street to cut down on the
length and also the South part can't go anywhere because it would go
through a house on l68th if extended. The Commission and Mr. Kadlec
discussed alternatives. such as temporary cul-de-sacs, making the property
adjacent to White Oaks into 1 lot, etc. He must also change the streets
from 50' to 66'.
Mr. Kadlec was told he may come back with another sketch plan or proceed
with a preliminary plat.
Dean Lutterman Sketch Plan (Comm. #5-78-4)
Mr. Lutterman's sketch is for approximately 57 acres in the South ~
of Section 4 located East of Round Lake Boulevard. Mr. Lutterman has
a problem with street length. The Commission suggested breaking it
up with temporary cul-de-sacs. He shows a street jog onto Heather
Street which needs correcting. There are a number of lots that don't
have adequate street frontage. The zoning is R-l and the lots are
2.5 acres or more in size. He shows 17 lots. He was advised of the
requirement for Park dedication.
Mr. Lutterman was advised to come back with another sketch plan.
Charles Hartfiel Proposed Road Location (Comm. #5-78-5)
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Mr. Hartfiel has 40 acres North of Hartfiel's Estates that he wants
to divide into 8 5-acre metes and bounds parcels.
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Minutes - May 9, 1978
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He is coming before the Planning Commission to get approval on the
location of the proposed street. The street would go through Lot
7, Block 1 of Hartfiel's Estates. The Commission was concerned about
the homeowners on Lot 6 and Lot 8 even though the developer would
divide the remaining property on Lot 7 with these lots. The Commission
had received a letter from T.K.D.A. dated 5-5-78 recommending, because
of the lenth of the street, that the developer relocate the road.
Ordinance 10 states the maximum length of a cul-de-sac should be 500'
and this street as drawn is approximately 1500'. It was suggested
that Bluebird Street be extended into this 40-acre parcel rather than
going through Lot 7. A number of alternatives were brought up to
avoid going over the 500' maximum cul-de-sac length.
Mr. Hartfiel and Tom O'Malley, Caine & O'Malley Land Surveyors, will
redraw the sketch.
Rosella Sonsteby Sketch Plan (Comm. #5-78-7)
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Mrs. Sonsteby and Mr. O'Malley presented a sketch plan consisting of
20 lots in the South ~ of Section 29. Some of the lots are R-l zoning
size, some of the lots are zoned R-3, and some of the lots are now
zoned R-l but they propose to rezone them to R-3.
Some of the comments made during the discussion: the cul-de-sac is
too long; the lots are too small; some of the land is low marshland;
suggested combining some of the lots and show them divided in the future
resubdivision plan; some of the area is refilling with water now - it
was drained to put in the storm sewer and now it is coming back up
again; Mrs. Sonsteby suggested the 4 parcels (#1720, #1730, #1740 and
#1750) West of Woodbine and South of l43rd Avenue in Auditors Sub. 82
could be the park land for this development since there aren't any
houses there yet; there are about 66 acres in this proposed subdivision;
the difficulty in drawing the roads in because of the low areas.
It was suggested the sketch be redrawn and brought back for another
review before going ahead with a preliminary plat.
Stanley Knoll Sketch Plan (Comm. #5-78-6)
Mr. O'Malley presented the sketch plan in the South ~ of Section 17
located South of l6lst Avenue and West of Round Lake Boulevard. The
acreage is 70.5, with 24 lots shown and 9.8 acres of park. They are
proposing to divide the property in accordance with Section 4.20,
Density Zoning, of Ordinance 8.
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Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting
Minutes - May 9, 1978
Page 7
After being advised the proposed sketch is unacceptable, particularly
because of Ordinance 43 - the Moratorium Ordinance, Mr. O'Malley presented
a revised sketch with 19 lots. The lots are 2.5 acres, or more, but
some of the frontages don't meet the minimum requirements. All of the
contiguous land is not shown and there is no park land shown.
Mr. O'Malley may come back with another sketch plan or go ahead with
the preliminary plat.
Discussion on Ordinance #37 - Septic System Maintenance (Comm. #5-78-8)
This item will be discussed at the Special Planning and Zoning Commission
Meeting on May 10, 1978.
Sonterre Sketch Plan (Comm. #5-78-9)
No one was present and the Commission has received no information on
the proposed sketch plan.
Adiournment
Motion by Commissioner Bosell, seconded by Commissioner Dick, to adjourn.
Motion carried unanimously.
Meeting adjourned at 11:35 P.M.
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TOLlZ. KING. DUVALL. ANDERSON AND ASSOCIATES INCORPORATED
ENGINEERS
ARCH ITECTS
PLANNERS
1408 PIONEER BUILDING
612-224-7S91
SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA 55101
TELEX 29-7461
May 5, 1978
Planning and Zoning Commission
Andover, Minnesota
Re: Dostaler-Hane Addition
Preliminary Plat Review
Andover, Minnesota
Commission No. 6223-78
Commission Members:
We have reviewed the preliminary plat for Dostaler-Hane Addition
dated April 14, 1978, in accordance with Ordinance 10 of the City of Andover.
The proposed subdivision consists of approximately 20 acres and is located
on the east side of Lipan Street, between 145th Lane N. W. and 146th Lane N. W.
Following are our comments regarding the proposed plat:
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1) All existing utilitie s including, but not limited to, telephone, elect ric,
and gas shall be shown on the preliminary plat.
2) Storm sewer should be extended from the existing system, to provide
catch basins at 145th Lane N. W. and at 146th Lane N. W. on Lipan Street.
3) Recalculate the areas shown on the lots. Some of the areas checked
do not agree with the lot dimensions.
4) Lot 7, Block l, will require a set-back variance, as shown, on the
preliminary plat.
5) Lot 6, Block I, may require a variance as the existing barn is within
the 40 foot front yard set back.
6) Lot I, Block I, will have to front on 146th Lane N. W. rather than
Lipan St. N. W. This would be required to conform with the requirement
for a minimum lot width of 165 feet at the set back line.
ARNDT J. DUVALL.PRESIDENT
ROBERT R. RYOER, V. P..TREAS.
WAYNE A. OLSON,V. P.-SEC.
WALTER W. THORPE,V. P.
OuWAYNE R. KASMA,V. P.
DUANE T. PREW. V. P.
JAMES E. VOYEN, v. P.
RICHARD M. BARKER
OWEN J. BEATTY
CARREL H. BERKOWITZ
ROBERT A. BOYER
JAMES C. BROTEN
WILLIAM J. FEYOER
ROYCE e. HANSEN
STEPHEN M.HARTLEY
WESTLY J. HENDRICKSON
CLIFFORD E. .JOHNSON
.J. THOMAS KIRK
DAVID W. KIRKWOLD
A. DEAN LUNDHOLM
ROBERT T. MALONEY
DENNIS R. MAATENSON
RICHARD Q. MENKEN
LEONARD G. MILLER
THOMAS W. MOODIE
.JAMES A. SKARET
ABE .j. SPERL.ING
ROBERT G. SPURR
NATHAN F. WEBER
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May 5, 1978
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7) Soil boring and percolation tests were taken and are attached.
We recommend approval of this plat after the above noted corrections
have been made.
Very truly yours,
TOLTZ, KING, DUVALL, ANDERSON
AND ASSOCIATES, INCORPORATED
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Patricia Lindquist, Clerk
Mr. Iven Dost.a1er, Developer
Hakanson, Anderson Associates, Surveyors
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H. AKANSON
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engineers and surveyors
P. O. Box 665
2665 Fourth Avenue North
Anoka, Minnesota 55303 612/427-5860
April 26, 1978
Mr. Iven Dosta1er
Rand Construction
6358 Willow Lane
Minneapolis, Minnesota 55430
Re: Dostaler & Hane Addition
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Dear Mr. Dosta1er:
Enclosed are logs of the three soil borings we made at this proposed
subdivision. As you will note, ground water was not encountered at any
of the three testho1es.
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Percolation tests were run at shallow testholes adjacent to the three
testholes. The results were as follows:
Testhole
Percolation Rate
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3
2 1/2 minutes per inch
1 minute per inch
3 minutes per inch
Predominantly fine sand soils were observed at the site. We do not
anticipate any problems with regard to house or drainfield construction
from soil or water conditions.
Testho1e locations are shown on the grading and drainage plan.
Yours truly,
HA~SON, ANDERSON ASSOCIATES
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LOGS OF SOIL BORINGS
c=> PR0JECT Dostaler & Hane Addition
BORING METHOD Auger
FILE NO. E400.01
DATE
4/25/78
TESTHOLE 3A
TESTHOLE
Depth Elevation 882
0.5 Ok. Br. fine sand, moist
Depth
Elevation
Red brown fine sand,
moist
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Red brown medium to
coarse gravelly sand,
moist
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Ground water not
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TESTHOLE
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Elevation 877
Depth
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Dark brown sandy loam
moist
Red brown fine to coarse
sand, moist
Sr. Gravelly sand, mOlst
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Brown fine to coarse sand,
moist
Ground water not
encountered
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7.0
7.5
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DATE
4/25/78
TESTHOLE 2A
Elevation 887
1.5
Dk. Br. sandy loam,
moist
Red brown fine to medium
sand, moist
. Brown fine to coarse
gravelly sand, moist
Brown medium to coarse
sand, moist
Brown medium to coarse
sand, moist
Ground water not
encountered
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