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HomeMy WebLinkAboutNovember 28, 1978 o o 0 ~ ~ ANDOVER o o PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION Regular Meeting November 28, 1978 AGENDA Approval of Minutes 1. Comm. #1-78-3 Junkyard Ordinance Discussion 2. Comm. #2-78-5 Pond View Preliminary Plat Continued Public Hearing 3. Comm. #10-78-2 Andover Mission Church Special Use Permit Public Hearing 4. Comm. #9-78-10 Ron Smith - Continued Proposed Registered Land Survey 5. Comm. #5-78-6 Pine Hills Addition Preliminary Plat 6. Comm. #9-78-13 Lund's Evergreen Estates Preliminary Plat Continued Public Hearing o 7. Comm. #11-78-1 Al Klous Revised Sketch Plan 8. Comm. #9-78-6 Discussion of proposed Rum River Ordinance For publication on November 24, 1978 ~ o o 0 ~ ~ ANDOVER o CJ REGULAR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING November 28, 1978 MINUTES The Regular Meeting of the Planning and Zoning Commission was called to order at 7:30 P.M. by Chairman Larry Retzlaff on November 28, 1978 at the Andover Community Center, 1685 Crosstown Boulevard NW, Anoka, Minnesota. Commissioners Present: d'Arcy Bose11, Don Jacobson, Ralph Kishel and George Lobb (appointed to the Commission by the City Council on November 21, 1978) Walter Dick and Jeannine Pyron City Attorney - William G. Hawkins, City Clerk - Patricia K. Lindquist, Engineer from T.K.D.A. - David J. Pillatzke, and others Commissioners Absent: Also Present: Minutes of 11-14-78 Correction: page 2, 3rd paragraph, 9th line - delete "policy" and insert "City Council requirement" o Motion by Jacobson, seconded by Kishel, to approve the November 14, 1978 Planning and Zoning Commission Minutes as amended. Vote on motion: yes - Retzlaff, Bose1l, Kishel, Jacobson; present - Lobb. Motion carried. Junkyard Ordinance Discussion (Comm. #1-78-3) Chairman Retzlaff explained that the City has an existing Junkyard Ordinance (No.9) and the Commission has been working on an amendment. The Commission would like direction as to why this Ordinance is not enforceable and needs revision. :J Attorney Hawkins stated that the problem with Ordinance 9 is not so much legal enforceability as practical enforcement problems. The problem the Council had when trying to deal with the violations that were existing were the various fencing, screening and landscaping requirements that were difficult to understand in relation to compliance with the Ordinance. The Council was having a difficult time dealing with what stage each of these junkyards were in as far as fence, etc. He felt the Council is looking for a change in the Ordinance to tighten up some of those provisions and prevent people from moving in, setting up junkyards and not complying with the Ordinance. There are absentee owners on some of these properties and most are shoe-string type operations. He suggested tightening up the Ordinance standards as to what must be complied with before they get a license and make those things a little more definite so there isn't the leeway that is now in the Ordinance. Perhaps the area needs to be rezoned from the General Business District and make them all nonconforming uses and then if they discontinue their operation or something then the junkyards could be eliminated. This existing Ordinance is patterned after a model ordinance so there isn't any problem with the legality of it. '\ ,~ J \ ; ) '-- \ '---) \ U \ J Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes - November 28, 1978 Page 2 Clerk Lindquist agreed with everything that Attorney Hawkins had mentioned. She mentioned that junkyards don't have to be unsightly and cited "John's Auto Parts" on Highway 65 as an example of what a junkyard could look like. It is a way of life for many people; it's their livelihood. She felt the existing Ordinance is wrong because it is letting people start a junkyard with one junked car. With perhaps a $200 investment, they've got a junkyard. If they would be required, prior to doing anything, to have the fencing in, etc., it would help. She suggested they apply for a Special Use Permit first, then if they get that, before they get the license, they would have to have it all fenced, screened, etc. They would have to make an investment. She related the problems now with issuing the license and allowing the people 30 days to put up some fence and if they don't comply, there are too many waiting periods. Another suggestion she made was to state in the Ordinance "it (the junk) shall not be visible from the street". In cases where the land is rolling or hilly, an 8' high fence would still allow the "junk" to be seen from the road. Attorney Hawkins referred to his letter of review dated August 21, 1978. There were two things that he particularly wanted to stress. #1 - There should be standards set out in the Ordinance to serve as a guideline for the City to base their decision as to granting or, denying a license. #2 - There should be a stipulation allowing a hearing if a license is denied. J Discussed past action on the junkyards in operation at this time. The Commission felt they should review the ordinance again. Commissioner Jacobson volunteered to draft a new amendment and have it available for the next meeting. Pond View Preliminary Plat Continued Public Hearing (Comm. #2-78-5) Chairman Retzlaff said the developer had called and asked to be put on the first meeting in December (the 12th). Andover Mission Church Special Use Permit Continued Public Hearing (Comm. #10-78-2) No one was present to represent the Church. Chairman Retzlaff requested a letter be written to them indicating they would not be on the Commission agenda again unless they notify the City that they are ready. Ron Smith - Continued Proposed Registered Land Survey (Comm. #9-78-10) Mr. Smith was not present. It was suggested that he also be notified that he will not be on another Commission Agenda unless he requests it. Pine Hills Addition Preliminary Plat (Comm. #5-78-6) Tom O'Malley, of Caine & O'Malley Land Surveyors, was present to discuss his revised plat. Because of recent Ordinance amendments, he has redrawn his original preliminary plat to correspond with the new regulations. Before he again works on the street grades, etc., he asked for opinions from the Commission on his revision. ) \ "--) '. o Planning and Zoning Commission Minutes - November 28, 1978 Page 3 Engineer Pillatzke recommended that l59th Lane be extended to the West for possible future extension. The future extension of Narcissus Street would probably be impractical because the area to the south is low. They discussed the future subdivision plans along l6lst, a Municipal State Aid designated roa~ and a future service road was suggested. The lots shown along l6lst now would front on the interior streets instead of l61st. Mr. O''Malley now shows 2 more lots than what was originally drawn. The Commission was concerned with the cul-de-sac that is shown on Round Lake Boulevard. Discussed the traffic hazards on this road and the County restrictions. Mr. O'Malley said he could bring the cul-de-sac in from the West off from Narcissus instead. He has changed the park location on the plat also so will be required to get another recommendation from the Park and Recreation Commission. This item will be continued. Lund's Evergreen Estates Preliminary Plat Cont'd Public Hearing (Comm. #9-78-13) Engineer Pillatzke presented his letter of review of the plat dated 11-28-78. There have been 2 review letters and most of the items have been met. The Coon Creek Watershed approved the plat at their meeting of November 27th and a letter of approval will be coming. The road easement on Block 4 is being worked on by the developer's attorney for vacation of the easement. Discussed Ordinance 10 Section 9.03A. Also discussed the proposed retention pond on Block 4.' On the 80' right-of-way of Kildeer Street coming out onto County Road 16, the typical street width of 32' will be built and the rest will be ditches and right-of-way. The Park and Recreation Commission has not made a formal recommendation on the park dedication so this plat will have to be sent to them. Martin Circle and l47th Circle show 50' of right of way on the streets instead of 66'. Chairman Retzlaff called for public input - no one responded. Motion by Bosell, seconded by Kishel, to close the public hearing. Vote on motion: yes - Kishel, Jacobson, Retzlaff, Bosell; present - Lobb. Motion carried. This will be on the next Planning and Zoning Commission Agenda. Al Klous Revised Sketch Plan (Comm. #11-78-1) Mike Gair, of Westwood Engineering, was present to represent Mr. Klous. He had redrawn the sketch that split the site along the ditch with the East portion being served by the City of Ham Lake and the West portion being serviced by Andover. The items mentioned that might be changed were: the right-of-way on all streets is to be 66'; the thoroughfare coming off the County Road - one of the legs should be a thoroughfare and the other a minor street coming off from the thoroughfare; park dedication; possible service road for future subdivision. Mr. Gair will prepare the preliminary plat with those possible revisions. Discussion of Proposed Rum River Ordinance (Comm. #9-78-6) This will be continued until the next regularly scheduled Planning and Zoning Commission meeting. \ / , ) \ ~ Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes - November 28, 1978 Page 4 Engineer's Report on Proposed 5-Year M.S.A.S. (Comm. #11-78-4) Mr. Pillatzke presented the proposal for a 5-year program for the Municipal State Aid Street System construction, referencing a letter from T.K.D.A. dated November 22, 1978. It would work as a 6-year program but not 5 as shown by the figures presented. Motion by Bosell, seconded by Kishel, that the Planning Commission concurs with the recommendations as outlined in John Dawidson's letter of November 22, 1978 from T.K.D.A. It should be further noted that the Planning Commission specifically notes that there is a balance of $70,000 for 1979 and thus concurring with further recommendation that the projected projects be postponed by one year to allow for the funding to be available on these projected projects, with the exception of Prairie Road Bridge approaches that could be constructed in 1979. Discussion: proposed inquiry to City Council as to what happened to the Hanson Boulevard M.S.A. designation recommended in November 1977; listing only those items to be in the program in the motion rather than the entire Engineer's letter. Vote on motion: yes - Kishel, Retzlaff, Bosell; no - Jacobson; present - Lobb. Motion carried. I Adiournment Motion by Kishel;seconded by Bosell, to adjourn. Motion carried unanimously. Meeting adjourned at 10:48 P.M. I