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HomeMy WebLinkAboutSeptember 21, 1978 -- '\ , ) '\ '- _/' '\ ) u u City of dfndooE-'l, 1685 CROSSTOWN BLVD. N,W. ANOKA, MINNESOTA 55303 (612) 755-5100 SPECIAL PARK/RECREATION CO~aSSION MEETING - SEPTEMBER 21, 1978 MINUTES A Special Meeting of the Andover Park/Recreation Commission was called to order by Chairman MEnd at 7:10 p.m., September 21, 1978. Commission Members Present: Anderson, LeFebvre and Nichols Commission Members Absent: Curtis, Meyer and Rogers Also Present: Dave Pillatzke, Engineer from T.K.D.A. Derril Burger - Rum River Forest Pre. Plat Dean Lutterman - Wobegon Woods Pre. Plat Harvey Kadlec - Kadlec Add. Pre. Plat Jim Conroy - Pond View Pre. Plat Linda Johnson & Bruce Hay - Johnson's Field RUM RIVER FOREST PRELD!INARY PLAT Mr. Burger presented the Commission with a preliminary plat they had not seen before. There was no proposed park land shown on this plat, only a small 80' river access shown as Outlot A. It was felt to use the term "outlot" was now illegal. Lots 11 and 12, Block 1, would abut this "Outlot A" making one contiguous park. Dave Pillatzke stated these lots do not meet City Code for buildable lots at this time. If the Commission accepted these lots and the boat access, they would never be able to provide any bathroom facilities without a lot of fill. Mr. Burger stated he would lose $50,000 on these lots and he plans on filling them as he can get fill for 50~ a yard. He suggested possibly tots 5 and 6, Block 4, as a possible park site. Steve Nichols didn't think people would walk that far from the river to these lots to have a picnic. The Commission all agreed that the 75' river access was much too narrow to be of any use. Chairman Mand asked ~~. Burger if he would be willing to fill Lots 5 and 6, Block 4. He said no, any fill obtained on site would be put on other lots as he has to raise the lots 3 ft. above flood plain level. Dave Pillatzke then explained the street drainage and run off in that area. He asked Mr. Burger if he was planning on putting in bituminous streets. Mr. Burger said he would not commit himself at this time but was almost certain they would be blacktopped. Chairman Mand asked what the river setback was. Mr. Burger thought it was 100 ft. Bill LeFebvre asked about the land on the river at the north end. Mr. Burger stated there is a high cliff in that area not suitable for a boat landing. He was then asked what the park dedication fee would be on this property. Mr. Burger wasn't sure but thought it was taxed at $90,000 which would mean $9,000 in park dedication fees. Dave Pillatzke asked if the elevation of the river had been shot and Mr. Burger stated he didn't know if it had been done. Again, Chairman Mand asked if he, Mr. Burger, would consider filling in the area (Lots 5 & 6, Bl. 4) and he stated he preferred not to get involved in that. In the lengthy discussion that followed, it was felt there would be excess fill available from future plats in the area and the Park/Recreation Commission could arrange to fill the proposed park area at their direction in order to have some control over where the fill would be placed. , ) '\ , , / U Special Park/Rec. Commission Meeting Minutes - September 21, 1978 - Page #2 u MOTION by Nichols, seconded by Anderson, to recommend that the City Council accept Lots 5 and 6, Block 4, totalling 7.0 acres, plus the area which is now termed Outlot A; said Outlot A is to be revised to show a minimum of 125 ft. river frontage and 125 ft. road frontage (154th Ave. N.W.) as dedicated park land, and that the-balance be cash in lieu of land provided that the above described property shown on the revised preliminary plat presented to the Park/Recreation Commission by lAr. Derril Burger on September 21, 1978 is the same as shown on the final plat of Rum River Forest, with the exception of the added river and road frontage. Motion carried unanimously. WOBEGON WOODS PRELIMINARY PLAT AND KADLEC ADDITION PRELIMINARY PLAT Mr. Lutterman representing Wobegon Woods and Mr. Kadlec representing Kadlec Addition came jointly to request the Commission to accept money in lieu of land on both their plats since they were so small with the stipulation that this money be used to dredge out the pond in nearby White Oaks Country Estates. Mr. Kadlec offered to spend 20 brs. of his time in dredging. It was decided it would be best if the City arranged to have it dredged due to the slopes having to be figured out by our engineering firm plus inspections. Mr. Lutterman and Mr. Kadlec mentioned they have received requests from the residents in the area to have White Oaks Country Estates park improved. Mr. Kadlec then offered $3,000 in lieu of park land and 1~. Lutterman offered $4,000.00. Since the Kadlec plat is 57 acres and Wobegon is 37.3 acres, in order to be equitable to both, Dave Pillatzke figured out on his calculator that the money amount should be $4,245 on the Wobegon Woods plat and $2,755 on the Kadlec Addition plat. Mr. Lutterman and l~. Kadlec were agreeable to this. These amounts are more than 10% of the assessed value. MOTION by Mand, seconded by Nichols, to recommend that the City Council accept money in lieu of park land on both the Wobegon Woods and Kadlec Addition plats; further that a maxiumum of $4,245.00 derived from the Wobegon Woods plat and a maximum of $2,755.00 derived from the Kadlec Addition plat be spend only for the improvement of Vl.hite Oaks Country Estates Park, as specified by the developers. Motion carried unanimously. POND VIEW PRELIMINARY PLAT Mr. Conroy requested the Commission to accept money in lieu of land since this plat is so small. When asked about the shopping center, Mr. Conroy stated the proposed store would be similar to the Penney's at 109th & University. A break was taken from 9:30 to 9:45 in order to look at Mr. Conroy's shopping center plan. MOTION by Mand, seconded by Anderson, to recommend to the City Council to accept money in lieu of park land on the Pond View plat and that the money be used to improve parks in that area. Motion carried unanimously. JOHNSON'S FIELD Linda Johnson introduced her brother-in-law, Bruce Hay, who owns 50 acres east of Johnson's Field. She stated they definitely did not want to give up Lots 5, 6 & 7, Block 3, and are now offering an alternative. She asked Mr. Hay if they could purchase 3 acres from him and if he would dedicate 5 acres prior to his developing '\ his land. Mr. Hays agreed to this and stated if the Commission/City Council, ) accepted this alternative, he would have his attorney draw up some type of an agreement. He then presented a topographical map and stated the proposed park would have frontage on Round Lake. Dave Pillatzke commented that most of the area was below the 872' flood plain level. Chairman l~d said he had walked out . , / / Special Park/Rec. Me[~\ 1linutes - September 21, 1978 - Page #3 u to the area (Linda Johnson and Mr. Hay had contacted him earlier about this alternate) and it was true that most of it was low but it did have some high spots and quite a few nice trees on it. He further stated the area could be filled at a future date. As new developments come in the area, the excess fill could be hauled into this area. Even though Round Lake can't be considered a recreational lake at present, in the future it might be developed and become a useable lake for swimming and boating. Mr. Hay then explained a little bit about mobile home parks and open space requirements. When Mr. Hay does plat this property, Chairman Mand would like to see a street along the front of the park and no residential lots abutting it for ease of maintenance and to avoid complaints from neighbors. tIT. Hay said he would not commit himself at this time to put a road there but something could be worked out when he brings in the preliminary plat. He was asked if park land could be dedicated on the 40 acre piece abutting Johnson's Field so there would be a closer park to the residents in the area. Mr. Hay stated he did not own this property outright, there are other people involved, but the 10 acre parcel on the lake was his alone. Mr. Hay, with the aid of an engineer's scale, Dave Pillatzke and his calculator, then drew this proposed park on the topographical map, the size of which is exactly 8.37 acres. (A copy of this map will be made a part of these minutes. This proposed park is in Plat #65929, Parcel #3750.) Chair- man Mand asked Linda Johnson if it would be alright with her if the kids from Dehn's Addition played on Lots 11 & 12 until such time as houses were built on these lots. This was fine with her. Chairman Mand then requested a temporary road easement from Mr. Hay in order to be able to get to the proposed park. Mr. Hay questioned this as he stated he didn't know the meaning of a temporary easement - at some point in time would this turn into a permanent easement? Chairman Mand said no, just a temporary easement so we would have access to the property until such time as the area is developed. MOTION by Mand, seconded by Anderson, to recommend the City Council consider the alternative of a 8.37 acre park along Round Lake on the 50 acres belonging to Bruce Hay (65929-3750 and 65930-1800) to be land dedication for the Johnson's Field plat and a pre-dedication of park land for tIT. Hay's future plat. In the event the Council wishes to approve the above, we would also recommend that a temporary easement be obtained to be in effect until such time as permanent streets are constructed in order to give access to the park. Motion carried unanimously. Discussion: The Council should be advised that the Park/Recreation Commission prefers this piece of property over Lots 5, 6 & 7, Block 3, Johnson's Field recommended earlier. Whether or not a previous motion could be rescinded is not known at this time. Gary Anderson commented he liked tIT. Hay's proposal as he would like to see the City accept as much lake property as possible. Steve Nichols questioned if this was legal - to dedicate park before it is developed. Chairman Mand stated, according to the attorney, this is perfectly alright. Mr. Hay asked if he would have any problem if, when he starts developing this land, they need storm sewer drainage through the park. He was told this would not cause a problem as this has been done in the past in a few other parks. The Park/Recreation Commission would simply recommend a covered pipe, not an open ditch. PLATTING PROCEDURE Some of the new plats discussed tonight were not far enough along in the platting procedure to be referred to the Commission by the Planning and Zoning Commission. / It is the Commission's feeling that proposed park land could change for various and sundry reasons and the developer would then have to return possibly causing an unnecessary delay. There is also a chance that a final plat could be approved with park land far different than presented on the preliminary plat shown to the -"- , ,- \ S~ecial Park/Rec. Mee'-./g Minutes - September 21, 1978 - Page #4 '~.J Park/Recreation Commission. " ) MOTION by Nichols, seconded by Anderson, to adopt the policy of not reviewing any preliminary plats until they are referred to the Park/Recreation Commission by the Planning and Zoning Commission. Motion carried unanimously. Also some of the plats coming in do not show ar~ park land. It was felt park land should be proposed on plats over 30 acres in size. The Planning and Zoning Commission is to be advised of this. MOTION by Nichols, seconded by Anderson, to adjourn. Meeting adjourned 11:30 p;m. Res~ertfully submitted: / .--' ~~ ae Ellen Bakke Secretary '\ / '\ ) r",y 01 ANDOVER() () M E M 0 RAN DUM TO: Mayor and City Council CO PI ES TO: Planning and Zoning Commission FROM: Park/Recreation Commission DATE:: September 26, 1978 REFERENCE: Wobegon Woods and Kadlec Addition Preliminary Plats The following motion was made at the Special Park/Recreation Commission meeting September 21, 1978 and is for your consideration: MOTION by Mand, seconded by Nichols, to recommend that the City Council accept money in lieu of park land on both the Wobegon Woods and Kadlec Addition plats; further that a maximum of $4,245.00 derived from the Wobegon Woods plat and a maximum of $2,755.00 derived from the Kadlec Addition plat be spent only for the improvement of White Oaks Country Estates Park, as specified by the developers. MOtion carried unanimously. 8 tits ~k~,?/~ Wes Mand, Chairman Park/Recreation Chairman rb ~:) ~~ (\ '--'/ o :) ~, U' ( ) tl"Y 01 ANDOVER M E M 0 RAN DUM TO: Mayor and Council COPIES TO: Planning and Zoning Commission FROM: Park/Recreation Commission DATE:: September 26, 1978 REFERENCE: Rum River Forest Preliminary Plat - 122.6+ acres The fOllowing motion was made at the Special Park/Recreation Commission meeting September 21, 1978 and is for your consideration: MOTION by Nichols, seconded by Anderson, to recommend that the City Council accept Lots 5 and 6, Block 4, totalling 7.0 acres, plus the area which is now termed Outlot A; said Outlot A is to be revised to show a minimum of 125 ft. river frontage and 125 ft. road frontage (154th Ave. N.W.) as dedicated park land, and that the balance be cash in lieu of land provided that the above described property shown on the revised preliminary plat presented to the Park/Recreation Commission by Mr. Derril Burger on September 21, 1978 is the same as shown on the final plat of Rum River Forest, with the exception of the added river and road frontage. Motion carried unanimously. Attached is a partial copy of the preliminary plat showing the areas in question. ,V;<J/ <--;I} 2~::~,. Wes W~d, Chairman Park/Recreation Commission rb ----- - -- ----- \J \J ~ V v '" j' v~ r ~ ~ . \' ~~~9..~ o ;<: l v rU i1-(j t7..{ ~O ~ ~ ---- ~ ~ -.. ...--.......... ./ j.--- ......, - _ 1-; R " -~ _'f. ..1-- --__~I -- ( " / () 8 ~~, v (') CITY 01 r\ ANDOVER \..J M E M 0 RAN DUM TO: Planning and Zoning Commission COPIES TO: Mayor and Council FROM: Park/Recreation Commission DATE:: September 26, 1978 REFERENCE: Preliminary Plats and Park Land The following motion was made at the September 21, 1978 Special Park/Recreation Commission: MOTION by Nichols, seconded by Anderson, to adopt the policy of not reviewing any preliminary plats until they are referred to the Park/Recreation Commission by the Planning and Zoning Commission. Motion carried unanimoUSly. Also, the Park/Recreation Commission recommends to the Planning and Zoning Commission that some park land be proposed on plats over 30 acres. (/ !:,"J ~?~-4,,/'~ es Mand, Chairman Park/Recreation Commission rb o :~J :) () 0 CITY 01 ANDOVER M E M 0 RAN 0 U M TO: Mayor and City Council Planning and Zoning Commission COPIES TO: FROM: Park/Recreation Commission DATE:: September 26, 1978 REFERENCE: Johnson's Field The following motion was made at the Special Park/Recreation Commission meeting, September 21, 1978 and is for your consideration: MOTION by Mand, seconded by Anderson, to recommend the City Council consider the alternative of a 8.37 acre park along Round Lake on the 50 acres belonging to Bruce Hay (65929-3750 and 65930-1800) to be land dedication for the Johnson Field plat and a pre-dedication of park land for 1~. Hay.'s future plat. In the event the Council wishes to approve the above, we would also recommend that a temporary easement be obtained to be in effect until such time as permanent streets are constructed in order to give access to the park. Motion carried unanimously. Note: The Park/Recreation Commission now prefers this piece of property instead of Lots 5, 6, and 7, Block 3, Johnson's Field. The location is shown on the attached and is located on Plat #65929, Parcel #3750. it 1<1/ 7J&7o~ Wes Yand, Chairman Park/Recreation Commission rb ) , {': ... ,~.... ...... t?'.4 ..... "'-ii._~ .~:-\ \: '.#, r" \, }: 'i;..~'-. " -) :-'\.-~ 't4. ~. ':~~-i i: ''c" t y-~ .(-- .') ~. <. (",;', -r,,{~~ ...' .-"10 ~."'!-i~ \_~ .i.<. ;~ -..) ~.. ~---:, ~--'-~''b ....~ ';;.. " ~..1'\f; ~''''-c:-:; ~:... "\ ..~... :',..;'(~ j \.-!o ~ ... ~':~~~, -v.' ... e/j r; ". " ""'- "'~<:: ''-./0.. \~. ,to,',,,, Jb '.. < ~\<"':: 'J '!~\ .. ....,. \ . -~ - "". ,-. ,.. ~<~; -'. . ""'~" ',.'., . ~,. :'~.'., . -,~-.'... ?}-=- . 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'- --. -- . .--'. \ ' ' <:> ' \ ~.', "'-.' ,\";~ \, . .~ : 1 . ~ ' I -, ~ . ~ ---1 C".~ (/' V ~-.z{ J.J ~ C ~ \ , " 0..J ~ \] ~ <I' J J 8 ./\ ,.-) () 0 CITY 01 ANDOVER M E M 0 RAN DUM TO: Mayor and City Council COPIES TO: Planning and Zoning Commission FROM: Park/Recreation Commission DA TE:: September 26, 1978 REFERENCE: Pond View Preliminary Plat The following motion was made at the Special Park/Recreation Commission meeting September 21, 1978 and is for your consideration: MOTION by Mand, seconded by Anderson, to recommend to the City Council to accept money in lieu of park land on the Pond View plat and that the money be used to improve parks in that area. Motion carried unanimously. /;f )"" IJh?7~/J Wes Mand, Chairman Park/Recreation Commission rb