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PARK COMMISSION MEETING - DECEMBER 6, 1979
MINUTES
The Regularly Scheduled Meeting of the Park Commission was called to order by
Chairman Nand on December 6, 1979 at 7:35 p.m., at the Andover City Hall, 1685
Crosstown Blvd. N.W.
Commission Members Present:
Commission Members Absent:
Anderson, LeFebvre & Longbe11a
Meyer, Nichols & Rogers
MINUTE 'APPROVAL
MOTION by Anderson, seconded by Longbe11a, to approve the Minutes of the September 6,
1979 meeting. Motion carried unanimously.
MOTION by LeFebvre, seconded by Nand, to approve the Minutes of the September 20, 1979
meeting. Motion carried unanimously.
MOTION by Anderson, seconded by LeFebvre, to approve the Minutes of the October 4, 1979
meeting. Motion carried unanimously.
Discussion: The secretary was asked to check the City's liability in case a resident
was injured while flooding a City rink. She was also reminded to write Mr . Johnson
a letter asking what type of trees or shrubs he would like planted in Northwoods East
park and if he would water them. A current Bailey's catalog has been received.
MOTION by Longbe11a, seconded by Anderson, to approve the Minutes of the October 18, 1979
meeting. Motion carried unanimously.
MOTION by LeFebvre, seconded by Longbe11a, to approve the Minutes of the November 1, 1979
meeting. Motion carried unanimously.
1980 BUDGET
Chairman Nand advised the Commission if all existing preliminary p1a~are fina1ed next
year, the park dedication fees would be $18,650.00. There is $13,500 in the budget for
Capital Outlay Improvements & Equipment. Out of the $900.00 allocated for sand points,
about $600.00 has been spent which leaVe) $300.00 to spend on a new pump. This could be
a cost shared item between parks, sanitary sewers and storm sewers. Staff is having
problems getting water out of the old one.
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He asked those present if they had any suggestions on what to purchase. It was decided
to carry this subject over to another meeting. Edna Meyer was to attend the Capital
Improvement Committee meeting last month but was absent at this time. Bill LeFebvre was
asked to get in touch with the soccer and hockey associations regarding a hockey rink,
warming house and soccer equipment. Now is the time to ask the Council to reconsider
another rink and a warming house. Discussed was a joint meeting with these organizations.
However, it was decided it would be best if they would meet and then present a final
request to the Commission. $6450.00 has to be reserved for the Crooked Lake Boat Ramp.
Chairman Mand stated some of the labor and equipment costs could be offset by using
staff manhours and equipment hours. Also he assumed the DNR would auction off the
buildings. One of their provisions will be that the successful bidders will have to
remove the houses within a certain length of time and restore the site to a natural state.
Possibly there would be enough money left over to blacktop the parking lot. The estimate
was based on Class #5.
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December 6, 1979
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Bill LeFebvre expressed some displeasure over the Rum River Hockey Association's lack
of organization. They are losing older players to the AnokaliTea---Hockey-:1\:ssocla:tfon. OL-O(n.
This association now considers Andover in their service area. Sharon Anderson commented ~~A
hockey is a popular sport and felt a combination recreation building/warming house
should be built plus another hockey rink.
On the subject of soccer, Bill LeFebvre said the present field at City Hall is too short.
He would like to see a field created behind the Public Works building. Chairman Mand
the two groups should get together and ask for donations in both material and labor to
try and at least get another hockey rink at City Hall. If they could trim the cost down,
perhaps the City Council would be more receptive. Bill stated he would try and get
something coordinated.
PUBLIC INFORMATION HEARING - CROOKED LAKE BOAT RAMP
Chairman Mand advised the City Council wanted the public hearing held before January 18th.
A date of Thursday, January 10, 1980, was set. This will replace the second regular
meeting in January. The notice is to be published for two consecutive weeks in the
Anoka Shopper and the Union. Notices will also be mailed to the surrounding residents.
Two or thre~epresentatives from the DNR will be present to answer any questions. One
will be Ed ~~or the Fisheries Division who will explain their stocking program.
There have been no calls at City Hall regarding this project. Gary Longbella stated
Norm Shequen seemed somewhat concerned. The DNR has a task force working on 'model
surface zoning ordinance which, when finished, will be presented to the County Board
for their adoption.
The purchase of a new pump was again discussed. Chairman Mand checked into rentals.
The pump is $20 a day; hose, if needed, is $8.00 a day. The City would be better off
buying than renting.
MOTION by LeFebvre, seconded by Anderson, to authorize the Public Works Department to
purchase a pump on December 7, 1979 at a cost to the Park Commission budget not to
exceed $300.00. Motion carried unanimously.
Discussion: Staff will be asked to get the old pump repaired for use by any resident
who would be willing to help flood City rinks.
Ray Sowada has a problem with the tree cutting permit. Stumps are being left which
makes for difficult mowing. Suggested was an added sentence....Any stumps created
shall be removed at ground level (or below ground level). This form will be changed
and sent to the Council for approval after input from staff is received regarding the
wording .
Edna Meyer, Steve Nichols and Glen Rogers terms expire at the end of the year. The
secretary was asked to contact them to see if they planned to continue as members. If
not, an ad should be placed in the paper as soon as possible. Noted was Ord. #47
specifically states original and successive appointees shall hold their offices until
their successors are appointed.
It was decided on November 15th not to hold a second meeting in December. This was
inadvertentaly omitted in those minutes.
,/) MOTION by Anderson, seconded by Longbella, to adjourn. Meeting adjourned 9:45 p.m.
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Respectfully submitted:
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TO:
PfunMn.g & ZOMng Comm,w.6.ton.
COPIES TO:
FROM:
PMk COtml,w.6.ton
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Veeemb~ 10, 1979
SuJtoaee ZOMng and Amend. Otr.d. # 12
REFERENCE:
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amendmen:t :to Otr.d. # 12 :to pltofU.bLt hu..n:Ung on. Rou..nd Lake. The CommU,.6.wn. 0 eet6
:th~e Me :too many ItM.i.de.n.t<.a.e. .to:t6 now oltOn:Ung :the 1.a.ke MpeUally wLth :the
addition 00 LakeR.[dge.
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TO:
John Davidson - TKDA
COPIES TO:
FROM:
Wes Mand - Park Commission Chairman
DATE::
December 18, 1979
REFERENCE:
LakeRidge Hill Reshaping
Prior to payment, the Park Commission and City Council would like an explanation
as to why it took 32 1/2 hours to view the site and draw the attached ~8pS.
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P.S. After you have looked at the maps, please leave in your folder as this is
the only copy we have on file.
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INVOICE
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/'" i)[ ~DA TDLTZ, KING, DUVALL. ANDERSON AND ASSOCIATES INCORPORATED
ENGINEERS AND ARCHITECTS
1408 PIONEER BUILDING
SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA
55101 (612) 224.7891
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City of Andover
1685 Cross To'wn Boulevard NW
Anoka, Minnesota 55303
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Dote: November 30, 1979
Commission
Number: 6223-79
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For General Engineering Services as listed below, for October, 1979.
1. Engineering Re~iew, Inspection and/or Reports for
Development Projects as follows:
A. Rum River Forest:
J. Davidson 1/2 Hrs. @ 14.1374 = 7.07 x 2.4 =
B. Lake Ridge Addition - Park Plan:
R. Gray 22-1/2 Hr s. @ 5.7704 =
M. Schumacher 10 Hrs. @ 9.5211 =
129.83
95.21
225.04 x 2.4 =
Travel Expense - M. Schumacher
C. Birchwood Pond:
M. Schumacher 1 Hr. @ 9.5211 = 9.52 x 2.4 =
D. Menkveld's Green Acres:
M. Schumacher 3 Hrs. @ 9.5211 = 28.56 x 2.4 =
E. Keona Terrace:
M. Schumacher 1 Hr. @ 9.5211 = 9.52 x 2.4 =
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Municipal State Aid Annual Reports:
R. Gray 31-1/2 Hrs. @
M. Schumacher 4-1/2 Hrs. @
5. 7704 =
9.5211 =
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42.84
224.61 x 2.4 =
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TOLTZ, KING, DUVALL, ANDERSON AND ASSOCIATES INCORPORATED
M E M 0 RAN DUM
To: Mr.
Wes Mand
Copies To: Mr.
Pat Lindquist. John Davidson
From: Mr.
Mark Schumacher
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December 21
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Reference:
Lake Ridge Park Plan
A ndover, Minn~sota
COMMISSION NO.
6223-79
This memorandum is in response to your request to explain the time billed
for the park site plan.
TKDA was requested to develop a plan for a sliding hill at the Lake Ridge
Park. The following conditions were to be met:
1. Maximize the total vertical drop. Initial discussions indicated a
desire to raise the existing profile at the top of the hill approximately
ten feet.
2. Provide for at least one terrace in the hill.
The initial discussion on the concept of a sliding hill took place between
Larry Carlson and Mark Schumacher on October 11, 1979 at Lake Ridge.
At this meeting two possible sites were discussed, one site just south of
the 153rd Lane cul-de-sac, and the other site was behind lots 3 and 4,
Block 4.
Rich Gray, a landscape architect, was then instructed by Mark Schumacher
to evaluate the two sites for a sliding hill. Mr. Gray evaluated the two
sites and found that although the hill behind lots 3 and 4 faced the afternoon
sun more directly, this site had a greater natural vertical drop and had more
potential for grading than the other site. This work took two hours.
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'Memorandum
Mr. Wes Mand
December 21, 1979
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Mr. Gray then prepared preliminary drawings showing the existing
cross section of the hill and a proposed cross section based on raising
the hi 11 ten feet,
This work involved setting up a baseline and cross section lines on the
contour maps and then plotting the elevations along the cross section lines
on cross section paper, plotting the proposed cross section and then
planimetering the cross section to determine cut and fills, which took
approximately 6 hours.
On October 16, 1979, Mark Schumacher met with members of the Park
Commission on the site to discuss the evaluation and ~he proposed regrading.
At this meeting the following conclusions were made:
1. The cost of grading necessary to raise the grade 10 feet would
exceed the available funds.
2. The contractor working on the streets was finished and would not be
available for the park grading; therefore, another contractor would
need to be brought in.
3. TKDA was to revise the grading plan to stay within the $3,500.00
available.
4. Because the street grading was completed, the fill required would
have to come from the site itself and the back of the adjoining lots.
Mr. Gray then revised the cross sections to meet the above mentioned
criteria. This took approximately 14 hours.
The material was then transmitted to Mr. Mand.
In reviewing the time sheets, 4 of the 10 hours indicated for Mark Schumacher
was actually road inspection time and should be billed to the developer. The
remaining six hours were directly attributed to the sliding hill, most of that
time was for the meeting with the Park Commission and the remainder of the
time was spent directing Mr. Gray. A 11 of Mr. Gray's time was spent on the
park design.
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Memorandum
Mr. Rich Gray
December 21, 1979
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It should be noted that the largest share of Mr. Gray's time was spent
redesigning the sliding hill to accommodate the cost and material availability.
The fact that the street grading was already completed meant that excess
material from street construction had already been deposited elsewhere,
and that the s tiding hill had to be designed around material to be excavated
in the immediate area.
A more efficient method would be to require a developer to incorporate
whatever grading the Park Commission is going to require into the grading
plan submitted with the Preliminary Plat. Not only does the developer's
engineer do the design work, but the construction cost will generally be less
expensive than hiring another contractor after the street construction is
completed.
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