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PA.ltK Ca.AMISSION MEETING - NOVEMBER 15, 1979
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The Regularly Scheduled Meeting of the Andover Park Commission was called to
order by Chairman Mand on November 15, 1979, 7:40 p.m., at the Andover City Hall,
1685 Crosstown Blvd. N.W.
Commission Members Present:
Commission Members Absent:
Also Present:
Anderson, LeFebvre, Longbella & Nichols
Meyer & Rogers
Paul Cavner, Dr. Boehland and lIT. Chapman -
Boehland Variance/Plat
Barb Breza, Debbie Dunbar, Gail Cording and
Mike Pattinson - U. of Minn. students
BOEHLAND VARIANCE/PLAT
The Commission was advised Dr. Boehland bought 2.4 acres from Mr. Chapman which was
an illegal conveyance because the minimum lot size in an unplatted area is 5 acres.
He is now unable to get a building permit to build a dental office. Mr. Cavner,
the real estate agent, explained they were under the impression the area was platted
at the time. To further complicate the matter, they now find they have to give an
80 ft. road easement. Dr. Boehland was told he would have to plat his lot which would
require park dedication or money in lieu of land. lIT. Cavner . stated Mr. Chapman told
him he owned a strip of land, 30 x 150 ft., abutting the north end of Chapman's park
that he was probably willing to donate. The plat map was checked and no such parcel
was shown. When 1~. Chapman arrived, he was asked about this strip of land. He said
he thought he owned land at that location but wasn't sure; he didn't have time to
check on it today.
The entire Commission felt money in lieu of land would be the best alternative due to
the size of the property. Mr. Cavner stated Mr. Rademacher paid $10,000 an acre for
the property on BUIlker and Round Lake Blvds. However, this property is more valuable
since it is located on two major thoroughfares. In response to a question, Mr. Chapman
felt the City had a legal right but not a moral right ~o demand dedication fees in
this case. He was very unhappy about the 80 ft. road easement and also mentioned he
had already given the City land when Chapman's was platted. Dr. Boehland commented the
road would be just an added expense and it would not benefit him.
According to the County Auditor's Division of Valuations sheet, the original acreage
was 5.75 acres - Dr. Boehland paid $32,000 for 2.4 acres. The assessor's limited
market value is $5300.00. Mr. Cavner stated according to the survey, the acreage is
4.92 acres. He did not have a copy of this survey with him. They felt the road
easement should not be included when computing area for park dedication. Chairman Mand
advised in the past no consideration has been given for any easement when it came to
computing land for park dedication. The Commission was at a loss as to the market value
of the land. 1~. Cavner stated, although he is not an appraiser, he felt $2,000.00
would be a reasonable price.
MOTION by Nichols, seconded by Anderson, that the City Council accept $2,000.00 in park
dedication fees for the entire 5.75 acres that belong to Mr. Chapmand and Dr. Boehland.
Motion carried unanimously.
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Discussion: Dr. Boehland said $2,000 seemed agreeable to him. }Ar. Chapman was undecided,
he wanted to think about it. Chairman lfund stated the Park Commission was only an
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advisory body, the City Council will make the final decision on the park dedication fee -
it might be more, or less.
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FOX MEADOWS PARK SITE PLAN
Barb Breza and Debbie Dunbar drew a surrounding use map, a topography map, a
conceptual map and a site plan map which were drawn to scale. They briefly explained
the first three maps and concentrated on the site plan map. They took a soil sample
and had it analyzed. The nutrient level is a medium PH, high in phosphorus and low
in potassium. This could be corrected by burning the area, fertilizing it 6" deep
and then seeding using a combination of Kentucky blue grass, new Kentucky blue grass
and perennial rye. The area is scattered with birch, pine and oak trees. They suggested
to remove the oak and birch trees. Most likely the oak trere have or will get oak wilt
and there is a disease, caused by larvae, killing the birch trees in this area due to
a drought five years ago. They propose to plat three rows of tall shrubs and trees
along the west side to act as a buffer to cut down on the wind and the sound of traffic.
The first row would be honeysuckle, red dogwood and Juneberry shrubs which grow to
a maxium of 8 ft. high; the second row would contain silver maple and green ash which
grow to 50 ft. or more. The third row would consist of coniferous trees, black spruce,
white spruce and Black Hills spruce. Trees designated for the north and east side of
the park were Michigan maple, linden and Norway pine. These trees and shrubs were
selected because they are all drought tolerant. The plan does not include trees for
the south edge of the park as they felt there were sufficient trees on the adjoining
farmland. The southwest portion would have to be graded to move 2-3 ft. of dirt to
the east in order to flatten the area for playing fields.
Two asphalt parking lots were shown, one along Valley Drive and one along Fox St. A
tot lot and free playing area was placed at the north edge near the parking lot. A
double tennis court, combination softball, football and soccer field and a combination
basketball and volley ball court were scattered throughout the park. They used the
three leaf clover concept on the playground equipment area, the stem of which leads
down to the sand pit. The clover concept separatreequipment intended for different
age groups. They suggested to remove some of the sand in the pit, place gravel in
the hole and then replace the sand. This would provide better drainage. Also included
in this plan was a small shelter with two bathrooooand a water fountain, plus a fire
pit and picnic tables. There were crushed gravel paths to each play area. The
playground equipment is the wood type apparatus.
The estimated cost of this development was $100,000 to $125,000.
could be obtained from taxes, bonds, revenue sharing, grants and
corporations and service organizations.
Funding this project
donations from
Chairman Mand asked if the City could keep the maps they had drawn. The answer was
yes, after their professor had graded their project. They have already given their
oral presentation and have written a report. We will receive the maps, the report and
the literature they have acquired some time in December.
RUM RIVER FOREST SITE PLAN
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Gail Cording and Mike Pattinson prepared maps similar to those done by the other
students and gave basically the same presentation. The difference was Fox Meadows
topography is suitable for an active park whereas the Rum River Forest parks are best
suited for passive activities. Depicted in the northern park was a wood structured
playground, free play area, picnic tables, a 40' x 40' recreation building with
restrooms and a 10 car blacktopped parking lot. They terraced the hill on the east
side and placed benches in this area. They also added a drainage ditch which ran east
and west and connected to the existing ditch. The southern park contained a 40 car
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blacktopped park lot/skating rink combination off Potawatomi, a canoe trail composed
of 8-10" crushed rock plus a picnic trail. Picnic tables were placed off of this
main trail. Also proposed are portable Satellites and a hand pump drinking fountain.
A portion of this park floods each spring and after heavy rainstorms so permanent
equipment is unsuitable.
The estimated cost of this development is $104,000.00. The major cost was the
recreation building estimated to be $60,000.00. They do not propose any camping area
at this location. After some research, they found most of the people canoeing on the
Rum take one day trips. The Commission will also receive theffiplans and their report.
SURFACE ZONING - NO HUNTING ON ROUND LAKE
A memo is to be sent to the P & Z Commission requesting them to start researching
surface zoning of lakes and an amendment to Ord. #12 to prohibit hunting on Round
Lake. There are too many residential lots now fronting the lake with the addition
of LakeRidge.
DNR-ROUND LAKE-Rtm RIVER FOREST..;PROF. MCAVOY
Chairman lfund advised the DNR would stock Round Lake if the City installed an aeration
system. He estimates this would eost $2-5,000.00. Also, the City might be able to
obtain funding from the DNR to develop the Rum River Forest parks. Prof. McAvoy is
requesting a letter from the Commission advocating his program. Sharon Anderson felt
thank you letters should be sent to the students.
JOINT POWERS AGREEMENT
The Commission received copies of the rough draft of this agreement with Councilman
Jacobson's suggestions. Councilman Lachinski was present during this time and offered
his suggestions. Mayor Windschitl told Chairman Mand he also had suggestions. This
will be discussed at the November 20th Council meeting.
MOTION by Anderson, seconded by Nichols, to adjourn. Meeting adjourned 11:30 p.m.
Respectfully submitted:
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Rae Ellen Bakke
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Park Commission
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R. Bakke
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11-15-79
REFERENCE:
L. Boehland variance
Mr. Boehland bought 2.4 acres from Mr. Chapman. The original parcel was 5.75 acres.
He paid $32,000.00 for this land. Mr. Chapman told him in the beginning the area
vms platted. It is not. There are now attorney's involved in this deal.
The limited market value of the land is $5300.00 according to the auditor's books,
this is for the 5.75 acres. 2.4 acres computes to $2212.17, or park dedication of
$221.22. Pat L. feels the council is going to ask for park dedication on the 5.75 acres,
or $530.00........ (on the limited value)......or $3,200 if $32,000.00 is fair.
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Bill Hawkins
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Park Commission
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November 16, 1979
REFERENCE:
Agreement between DNR and Andover re Crooked Lake Ramp Project
Attached is a copy of Don Jacobson's suggestiowon this agreement. Although the
minutes are not done for last night's meeting, comments were:
Cost of lakebed alteration (dredging, if any) was thought to be minimal since the
DNR is involved. No reason was given for crossing out the last three lines on page #2.
D. - note that 4 a.m. and 12 midnight is 20 hours. I. Mr. Jacobson feels the DNR
possibly should contribute something to the expense. III. Liability - basically this
states the DNR can't be sued. The Commission had no problem with this as most likely
the DNR would lease the land and the City would automatically carry insurance on it.
Ref. Lary Carlson's park - City leased it for $1.00 (private park) with the agreement
that the City's insurance would cover. IV. Cancellation - It was felt if the agreement
was cancelled with cause, the DNR would then have to maintain it (mow) since it will be
their property. Also there are no buildings planned for this area. Ted Lachinski
thought in certain areas it was too wordy and that the park should be open during
daylight hours - however, this would prohibit those would want to go night fishing.
Basically, the rewording of the agreement was left up to you. WeB will try to have
someone from the DNR able to negotiate terms in this agreement at the meeting next
Tuesday night.
The Mayor also had some suggestions and will bring them up at the meeting.
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November 2), 1979
Prof. Leo H. McAvoy
Div. of Recreation, Park and Leisure Studies
Cooke Hall
1900 University Ave. S. E.
Minneapolis, Minnesota 55455
Dear Professor McAvoy:
This letter comes as a thank you, not only to the four students working
with our City under the Recreation...Area and Facilities Program, but to
those like yourself, who were instrumental in the establishment of the
Program.
As with all comparatively new municipalities, our funding in the area of
parks is such that the engagement of top professional people to design
our parks would be an impossibility, hence the parks would end up being
undeveloped or developed in such a manner by inexperienced persons and be
less than desirable. Your students have provided us with not only
expertise in this area, but plans to fit our budget as well as our needs.
It became quite apparent after our first meeting with the students they
intended to do an in-depth study of the parks and surrounding area to
assure us of a final product to fit the needs of all. Their knowledge of
such development has indicated to us they have done their "homework", and
under leadership from persons like yourself, are producing the plans for
first rate parks. We would appreciate it if you would refer future students
to us for park site planning.
Again, Professor McAvoy, thank you for the Program; the monies saved by the
students can now be spent for the actual development of the parks.
Very truly yours,
CITY OF ANDOVER
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Wesley G. Mand, Chairman
Andover Park Commission
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November 23, 1979
Mr. Wes Mand, Chairman
Andover Park Commission
City of Andover
1685 Crosstown Blvd.
Andover, Minnesota 55303
RE: PARK IMPROVEMENT IN LakeRidge
Dear Wes,
On a number of occasions during the time our plat was in process we discussed the
possibility of building a sliding hill at the east end of the park. I certainly
believe that this facility would be enjoyed by all age groups. Approximately six
weeks ago I met with Mark Schumacher at his request on the park property. At that
time we discussed the possible layout, access, relationship of this facility with
the remaining park, etc. Mark then had his office prepare drawings which mayor
may not have been approved by your committee at this time. At that time it was my
impression that the slide would perhaps be completed this fall. In my opinion,
the fact that the slide was not constructed in 1979 was not the fault of anyone,
but rather due to the rapid progress made by our contractor which resulted in his
early removal of all construction equipment.
In any event, by this letter I am asking that consideration be given to construction
of this slide in 1980 - preferably as early in the year as possible. We respect-
fully request that your committee recommend to the City Council that the money we
contributed (totaling $3,555), which was in addition to the parkland, be used on the
LakeRidge park. If a decision is made to construct the slide, would you please
let me know as soon as possible. Additional fill would be desirable according to
the engineer, and we would certainly cooperate by allowing fill to be taken from
the adjacent lots, providing they have not been sold.
Thank you for your consideration in this matter. We will do everything possible
to cooperate with you.
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cc: Gerald Windschitl, Mayor
Patricia Lindquist, City Clerk/Acting Administrator