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Park/Recreation Commission Agenda - March 1, 1979, 7:30 p.m.
AGENDA
1. Approval of Minutes
2. Community School
3. Woodland Terrace Sketch Plan
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Oakwood Estates Preliminary Pla~ ~ ~"3 0
Land Acquisition
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Capital Improvement Requests
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Park Site Plans
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ANOKA. MINNESOTA 55303
(612) 755.5100
REGULAR PARK/RECREATION Ca~ISSION MEETING - MARCH 1, 1979
MINUTES
The Regular Monthly Meeting of the Park/Recreation Commission was called to order by
Chairman Mand on March 1, 1979, 7:33 p.m. at the Andover City Hall, 1685 Crosstown Blvd. N.W.
Commission Members Present:
Commission Members Absent:
Also Present:
Anderson, LeFebvre, Longbe11a, Meyer, Nichols & Rogers
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d'Arcy Bose11 - Planning & Zoning Commission
Nancy Hagman - Summer School Program
Tom O'Malley - Countryview Preliminary Plat
Ernie Rud - Oakwood Estates Preliminary Plat
Lary Carlson, Sylvia Britton, & Jim Kappe1hoff -
Woodland Terrace Sketch Plan
Chairman Mard introduced the two new members, Sharon Anderson and Gary Longbe11a, to the
rest of the Commission.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
January 4, 1979, January 25, 1979, February 1, 1979 meetings - correct as vITitten.
February 13, 1979, Page #2, 4th line, delete Bill LeFebvre, insert a Commission member.
MOTION by Nichols, seconded by LaFebvre, that the Minutes for the fOllowing meetings be
approved as corrected: January 4, Regular; January 25, Special; February 1, Regular;
and February 13, Special. Motion carried unanimously.
SUMMER SCHOOL PROGRAM
Nancy Hagman advised the Commission they are in the planning stages of the summer school
program. The program will start June 11th as school is getting out earlier this year.
The summer school program has been running 33 days. However, in evaluating the past low
attendance for the 4th of July week, they would prefer to eliminate that week and run the
program to July 27th, or a 30 day program. There would be some savings in salaries which
could be put into the rest of the program, or a somewhat lower program cost to the City.
An alternative would be to run a scaled down program for that week. She further explained
it is each City's decision to run a 30 or 33 day program. However, she could foresee some
possible personnel problems with some leaders working only 30 days and others 33 days. All
things considered, the entire Commission agreed the 30 day program was the best alternative.
MOTION by Meyer, seconded by Anderson, to recommend the City Council approve a 30 day
Summer School Program to run from June 11th to June 29th and July 9th to July 27th,
eliminating the week of the 4th of July due to poor past attendance. Motion carried
unanimously.
Nancy then stated she had an idea to improve attendance at the morning playground sessions.
Instead of two days at Aztec Park and three days at City Hall and afternoons at Crooked
',Lake School, she thought the leaders could go from park to park. The applicants would be
~ told at the time of their interviews that they would have to go from door to door in
populated areas with a flier pUblicizing the morning playground activities. She stated
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she has not seen most of the parks and asked which were suitable for this type of activity.
By looking at a map, she named a few, including White Oaks, and was told they were swamps.
0,- The Co=ission then advised her of some of the more sui table parks. They would need a
picnic table placed in each area selected. d'Arcy Bosell asked if those Andover residents
living in Dist. #15 could be made aware of the summer school program this year. Nancy
stated she has obtained 260 address labels for this area. d'Arcy thought there were more
than 260 homes. In response to a question regarding transporting by bus to certain areas,
Nancy said the bus bills are phenomenal and cited an instance last year where the bus cost
$46.00 and transported five children. It is much cheaper to pay the leader's transportation
than to hire a bus. Gary Longbella asked what if the "roving playground" idea didn't work
out? Nancy said they would simple change in midstream and revert back to the same locations
as last year. Chairman Mand stated the Commission should schedule a park tour this Spring
for the benefit of the new members; Nancy co~mented she would like to go along. The entire
Co=ission felt it was worth a try to have the leaders this summer go from park to park for
the morning program. Nancy noted the baseball program would be the same as last year.
Steve Nichols asked that they stress girls baseball this year. Nancy said they would try;
last year only one girl came and then quit beoause she was the only girl. Girls tend to be
more interested in softball. They will go ahead and plan the details and she will return
for either the April or May meeting with a summer program schedule, including tennis.
Lary Carlson took exception to the previous remark about White Oaks park being a swamp.
He, being a conservationalist, subdivided around this deep pond because it is heavily used
by all forms of wildlife from ducks and geese to deer. He believes you have to have a mix
of high ground and low ground in order to try and preserve the wetlands.
WOODLAND TERRACE SKETCH PLAN
This sketch plan is composed of 84 acres, 199 lots, 6 acre park, townhouses, doubles and
single family dwellings. Mr. Carlson told the Co=ission statistics have shown people
purchasing townhouses have either very small or no children at all. By abutting his
proposed park and Chapman's and making the improvements as outlined in his February 15th
letter, the total usable park area would be 8.2 acres, or adequate, to suit the needs of
the surrounding area for a neighborhood park. Chairman Mand asked if he would be willing
to furnish some equipment for the park. Mr. Carlson said he only planned on grading and
seeding the area as that will be quite costly in itself, however, possibly he could furnish
something such as a backstop, but this could be negotiated at a later time. Berms, trees,
shrubs, fences, maintenance problems of each were then discussed at length by all concerned.
Also discussed was another access to the park at the south end. d'Arcy Eosell suggested a
10 ft. easement between Lots 6 & 7, or 7 & 8, Block 5. Noted there is an easement shown
on the sketch plan on Narcissus St. Mr. Carlson seemed agreeable to this and also stated
he has a tree planter that can handk4-4 1/2" trees. He though possibly he could construct
a 2-4' rolling berm and replant trees to act as a buffer. Questioned was the salability
of those lots surrounding the park without something to separate the residential lots from
the park. Mr. Carlson stated, from past experience, they are the preferred lots. d'Arcy
Bosell agreed with him. Last week three lots abutting Hawk Ridge Park were sold.
MOTION by Meyer, seconded by Longbella, to approve the concept of the proposed parkland
shown on the Woodland Terrace sketch plan as presented to the Commission and the improve-
ments to this proposed park and adjoining Chapman's Park as outlined in Mr. Carlson's
February 15, 1979 letter.
Discussion: Glen Rogers thought the motion should specify the additional walkway previously
discussed.
o ADDITION TO MOTION .... wi th the addition of a 10 ft. walkway by taking 5 ft. from Lot 6 and
5 ft. from Lot 7, Block 5 to be a pUblic access to the new park. Motion and Addition to
Motion carried unanimously.
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d'Arcy Bosell thought it would be wise if developers presented sketch plans to the
:JPark/Recreation Commission instead of preliminary plats. This would save time and money
\ on the part of the developer by eliminating the redrawing of preliminary plats as has
happened in the recent past. This was agreeable to the Commission, however, they asked
that they be furnished with sufficient copies of the sketch plans prior to the meetings.
OAKWOOD ESTATES PRELIMINARY PLAT
This preliminary plat consists of 39.6 acres, 13 residential lots which is directly
north of Kadlec Addition and west of Vfuite Oaks Country Estates. No park land is shown.
Mr. Ernie Rud stated Mr. Harstad desired to donate cash in lieu of land. The Commission
decided to recommend cash in lieu of land due to the fact the plat is small and close to
White Oaks Park. Mr. Rud offered $3,000.00 in lieu of park land. Suggested was to tie
in 171st with Eidelweiss St. in order to have another exit in case the roads were blocked
due to a major fire.
MOTION by LeFebvre, seconded by Meyer, to recommend the City Council accept $3,000.00 in
lieu of park land on the Oakwood Estates Preliminary Plat; further that this money be
allocated for the improvement of Vfuite Oaks Country Estates Park.
Discussion: Glen Rogers didn't think the money should be designated for a certain park.
Motion and second withdrawn.
MOTION by Anderson, seconded by Longbella, to recommend the City Council accept $3,000.00
in lieu of park land on the Oakwood Estates Preliminary Plat. Motion carried unanimously.
COUNTRYVIEW ESTATES PRELIMINARY PLAT
This preliminary plat consists of 60.93 acres, 20 single family dwellings. Mr. Tom O'Malley
stated the developer was not willing to trade lots with Mr. Carlson, the developer of Hawk
Ridge. However, he was willing to donate $7200.00 cash in lieu of land which is approx.
10% of the market value of the land.
MOTION by Meyer, seconded by Longbel1a, to recommend the City Council accept $7200.00 cash
in lieu of land on the Countryview Estates Preliminary Plat. Motion carried unanimously. .1
LAND ACQUISITION COMMITTEE
Chairman Mand advised this committee should be reactivated since the Commission has two
new members. He felt the 10 acres for sale behind City Hall should be looked into further.
Also the possibility of purchasing the two houses on the north end of Crooked Lake -
possibly on a Contract for Deed and let the people live there until the City wanted to
develop it. Volunteers for this committee are Wes Mand, Steve Nichols with Glen Rogers
as Chairman. Glen said he would contact Jerry Green regarding the property north of City
Hall.
CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT REQUEST COMMITTEE
Chairman Mand stated the Commission has to update the Capital Improvement Program for 1979.
Edna Meyer, Sharon Anderson and Steve Nichols volunteered to serve on this committee.
PARK SITE PLANS COMMITTEE
o Chairman Mand said park site plans
and also parks such as \~ite Oaks,
their own money to try and improve
should be done for the usable parks in the sewered area
Hawk Ridge and Fox Meadows. Once the City starts using
parks, the better chance they have of obtaining grants.
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The University of Minnesota, Landscape Career Center, TKDA and Midwest Planning & Research
will be contacted regarding this subject. Wes Mand and Bill LeFebvre volunteered to serve
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VALLEY VIEW ESTATES 2ND ADD.
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Chairman Mand advised the City Engineer is about ready to make final approval of the roads
in this area, Since JAr. Harley Pritchett stated the lot next to his residence was filled
with trees and brush, possibly soil borings should be taken in the roads to make sure they
weren't filled with unstable material that would eventually break do~m, The matter of the
tree removal from the park should be taken care of before the final approval of the roads
is made. Mr. Pritchett stated he has before and after pictures of this area. Sharon
Anderson said she would contact Mr. Pritchett, obtain the pictures and report the facts
of the matter.
NORTHWOODS TENNIS COURT LIGHTS
TKDA will be asked to go out for bids, using their specifications, on the Northwoods Tennis
Court lights. If they come in too high again, the bids can be rejected and the system
redesigned.
MOTION by Anderson, seconded by Meyer, to adjourn. Meeting adjourned 10:40 p.m.
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Mayor and City Council
COPIES TO:
Planning & Zoning Commission
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Park/Recreation Commission
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March 9, 1979
REFERENCE:
Oakwood Estates Preliminary Plat
The Park/Recreation Commission at their March 1st meeting made the following motion
which is for your consideration:
MOTION by LeFebvre, seconded by Anderson, to recommend the City Council accept $3,000.00
in lieu of parkland on the Oakwood Estates Preliminary Plat. Motion carried unanimously.
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March 12, 1979
REFERENCE:
Summer School Program
The following motion was made at the March 1st Park/Recreation Commission meeting and
is for your consideration:
MOTION by Meyer, seconded by Anderson, to recommend the City Council approve a 30 day
Summer School Program to run from June 11th to June 29th and July 9th to July 27th,
eliminating the week of the 4th of July due to poor past attendance. Motion carried
unanimously.
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March 12, 1979
REFERENCE:
Countryview Estates Preliminary Plat
The following motion was made at the March 1st park/Recreation Commission meeting
and is for your consideration:
MOTION by Meyer, seconded by Longbella, to recommend the City Council accept $7200.00
in lieu of land on the Countryview Estates Preliminary Plat. Motion carried unanimously.
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March 12, 1979
REFERENCE:
Woodland Terrace Sketch Plan
The following motion and addition to motion was made at the March 1st Park/Recreation
Commission meeting and is for your consideration:
MOTION by Mayer, seconded by Longbella, to approve the concept of the proposed parkland
shown on the Woodland Terrace sketch plan as presented to the Commission and the
improvements to this proposed park and adjoining Chapman's Park as outlined in Mr.
Carlson's February 15, 1979 letter, (addition) with the addition of a 10 ft. walkway
by taking 5 ft. from Lot 6 and 5 ft. from Lot 7, Block 5 to be a public access to the
new park. Motion and addition to motion carried unanimously.
A copy of Mr. Carlson's letter w/attachments is attached.
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LAWRENCE B. CARLSON
HARDLE BUILDING. SUITE 201
433 JACKSON STREET
ANOKA, MINN ESOT A 55303
BUSINESS: 612/427.7500
RESIDENCE: 612/753.1426
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February 15, 1979
Mr. Wesley Mand, Chairman
PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION
City of Andover
1685 Crosstown Blvd.
Andover, Minnesota 55303
RE: WOODLAND TERRACE
Dear Mr. Mand,
I am hopeful that this letter and the attached letter from Mr. James Kappelhoff
will be helpful to you when reviewing the proposed plat prior to our meeting.
The property that is being developed lies adjacent to the Chapman Addition.
Over the years I was aware of some problems with this park and the fact that
the City has attempted to provide the neighborhood with facilities which
could be used. The basic problem is that it is a narrow, long strip of land
that is virtually restricted from any use except a tot lot. I walked over
this particular park last fall when trying to layout our proposed plat in
a manner which would be best for all concerned. Frankly, at the time of my
visit, there were two or three items of broken playground equipment, the
park was unmowed and weedy and in my opinion showed all the signs of deterioration
through lack of use and vandalism. I then spoke with James Kappelhoff, professional
park planner, regarding the matter. I believe it is safe to say that in his opinion
the present conditions of that particular park will continue to exist since it is
literally of no use to the adjacent neighborhood and therefore they do not pay
any attention to it. I don't believe there is anything the City can do under
those circumstances no matter how hard they may try. I then asked Mr. Kappelhoff
to prepare a presentation for us in which a sizeable piece of ground is put to
good use with a variety of park activities. His letter and diagram, both of
which are attached, are self-explanatory. I have asked Mr. Kappelhoff to attend
our meeting with the Park Commission to explain his thoughts and answer any questions.
By utilizing the current park area along with the additional acreage we have shown
on the proposed plat, it appears that we have a very adequate park to serve the
affected neighborhoods. I am then proposing that we improve the park area as
follows in exchange for the reduction in land size:
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Level the entire area designated for the softball field, Little League baseball
and combination football/soccer field. During the leveling process, wherever
necessary the topsoil would be removed, stockpiled and placed back on the
surface. This eliminates the sand problem.
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2. We would re-groom the entire area that has been leveled, and reseed using
a commercial type compactor/seeder (commonly referred to as a Brillion
seeder) .
3. We would place a number of trees along the border of the park and in the
picnic areas.
4. If tot lot equipment is available and you wish to have it installed, we
would be pleased to do so, but would ask for your direction as to specific
location for each piece of equipment.
In closing, this proposal is being made with the intent that it definitely is
of benefit to our community. One of our problems is that the plat is strictly
in its preliminary stages, thereby leaving it exposed to the possibility of
major change. If that happens and as a result we are financially unable to
improve the park area as indicated above, I would make you aware of that
immediately. However, I would emphasize that I certainly do not foresee the
need to withdraw this proposal from the Park Commissions's consideration.
Please let us know if there are any questions that should be answered prior
to the meeting.
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433 Jackson Street
Anoka, Minnesota 55303
Dear Mr. Carlson:
The park that I have designed for you in Woodland Terrace, in the City of
Andover, falls into the classification of a Neighborhood Park/Playground.
The neighborhood playground is the primary area in planning for recreation.
It is established primarily to serve children under 14 years of age and should
have additional features to interest teenagers and adults.
The trend in recent years is for the neighborhood playground to become the
center of activity for the wide variety of needs and interests by all residents.
Its major service zone will seldom exceed % mile, with most of the attendance
originating from a ~ mile distance. Woodland Park meets this standard very easily.
All homes within the proposed development are within ~ mile of the park.
It is located close to the center of the area to be served and away from heavily
traveled streets and other barriers to easy and safe access.
The neighborhood playground normally requires a m~n~mum of five acres. Again,
Woodland exceeds this standard by providing approximately 8.2 acres.
The particular facilities required will depend on the nature of the neighborhood,
with space being allocated according to priorities.
After careful study of the site and the neighborhood characteristics of the
proposed development, it is my judgement that the park should be developed as follows:
1. Turf area for softball, touch football, soccer,
speedball, Little League baseball, other field games
and informal play.
Total
5.5 ac.
.12 ac.
,20 ac.
1.0 ac.
1.08 ac.
.30 ac.
8.20 ac.
2. Tot Lot area.
3. Parking.
4. Circulation, access, landscpaing and buffer zones.
5. Picnic areas.
6. Undesignated space.
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These particular features are presented on my sketch plan submitted to you
previously.
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Depending on the relationship of the property to schools and to other
recreational facilities in the neighborhood, such optional features as tennis
courts, recreational building, hockey rinks, general skating rinks, etc. might
be located in the neighborhood playground.
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All of these optional features are located at either the Wilson Community
School or the Crooked Lake Elementary School and are within a 1/2 to 3/4 mile
radius of the proposed development.
It is my opinion that this neighborhood park/playground will very adequately
serve the needs of the youth and adults who will reside in the Woodland Terrace
development. It will also be capable of serving the residents in the existing
development very well.
I would like to commend you for taking action to preserve and develop
adequate recreation open space to serve the people now and in the future.
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Recreation Areas and Facility
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March 29, 1979
The Andover Park/Recreation Commission is contemplating
acquiring those properties located at the north end of
Crooked Lake in order to create a large park.
Since the City budget would not allow the purchase of
these properties outright, perhaps they could be bought
on a Contract for Deed with a provision that the residents
could occupy the home until such time as the City was
ready to improve these parcels for park purposes.
If you are at all interested in selling your property, either
now or in the future, please contact me either in writing
or call me at 421-6357.
Very truly yours,
Wes Mand, Chairman
Park/Recreation Commission
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March 30, 1979
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Miscellaneous
Me~eld Sketch Plans - The proposed parkland shown on the one plan is north of an
existing City owned holding pond for Red Oaks.
Larry Bross wants to use the softball field here or possibly Northwoods for baseball.
The Lions Club has been using the softball field exclusively. In the exclusive use
policy, the Lions are only mentioned with regards to tournaments, with no user fees.
I have no knowledge of any money coming in from the beer profits. Also, under
resident sanctioned leagues, I have never seen a roster of which 50% of the players
are residents. Possibly a Commission member would volunteer to get these items
straightened out.
Fence purchase - Hellum's last year asked for a fence on their side of the boat
landing like the one the City put up for Clarks and were told there was no money
in the 1978 budget but would consider it for 1979.
Perhaps a motion is in order to recommend the City Council hire someone to replace
Bob as quickly as possible. A job description for that position is being rewritten
by the Pers~nnel Committee. A person has been hired for the janitorial duties but
is not able to any hard physical labor, plus he does not want to work part time for
very long due to social security benefit limitations.
The proposed park commission ordinance is back to P/R. P & Z doesn't care if the
exclusive use is spelled out or the option. The next step is to decide whether or
not to use the option and then on to the attorney.
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the county doesn't know if there is any CETA money available this year.
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