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HomeMy WebLinkAboutNovember 27, 1979 (3) o 0 ~ ~ ANDOVER 00 1685 Crosstown Blvd. NW. . Anoka, Minnesota 55303 . (612) 755-5100 o REGULAR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING DECEMBER 17, 1979 7: 30 P. M. Call to order Approval of minutes 1. Corom. #5-79-8 Christine Haluptzok Canfield Road Location 2. Continued Public Hearing/Rezoning Urban Service Area 3. Public Hearing/Revised Comprehensive Plan ,--"" .'--../ ---- "\ , () () ~ ~ ANDOVER o 0 1685 Crosstown Blvd. N'w. . Anoka, Minnesota 55303 . (612) 755-5100 o REGUL..\R PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEEl'ING DECEMBER 17, 1979 MINUTES The Regular meeting of the Planning and Zoning Commission was called to order at 7:30 p.m. by Chairperson d'Arcy Bosell on December 17, 1979, at the Andover City Hall, 1685 Crosstown Boulevard N.W., Anoka, ~~nnesota. Commissioners Present: Larry Retzlaff, Ralph Kishel, George Lobb and Walter Dick Richard Okerlund and Byron Copley Mark Schumacher, TKDA; Kaia Christine Haluptzok- Canfield, Mayor Jerry Windschitl, Doug Steele, Pat Anstead, Martha Greenwald of Midwest Planning. Commissioners Absent: Also Present: Approval of Minutes: Approval of the minutes of December 11, 1979, will be continued to the meeting of January 8, 1980, due to the fact that the clerk did not have the minutes finished at this time. ,---... '-./ Christine Haluptzok Canfield Road Location (Comm. #5-79-8) Drawings of the proposed road construction were handed out to the commissioners. Chairperson Bosell questioned Mark Schumacher of TKDA to see if all the necessary corrections had been made. Mark advised that all changes had been made on the drawing. Mark also submitted a letter from TKDA recommending approval of this road and that it would be named Goldenrod Street. Discussion: Bosell noted that on the surveyor's certificate it did not show the easement to the south line of the property. Mr. Edward Peters (appearing with Christine Haluptzok) said that this was in the deed that Attorney Hawkins made. Chairperson Bosell said that she will check on this. Kishel recommended that a north arrow be shown on the road plan and a scale. Bosell stated that this road does not need to be built to the blacktop standards because the request was in before June 15th. She also said that the road will be tested and inspected before it is accepted by the City. Construction should begin within six months. ~4rk Schumacher of TKDA then said that completion of the road should be within six months of the City Council's approval. Chairperson Bosell asked the lttyor if the City Council would deal with this item on January 2nd or 8th. He felt that it would be dealt wi th on the 2nd of January. Chairperson Bosell said that she would check on the easement and recommended that eight copies of the road plan be corrected and into City Hall one week before the meeting, and they should have the surveyor's certificate attached to each copy. Public Hearing/Revised Comprehensive Plan Chairperson Bosell opened the public hearing at this time. Martha Greenwald (sp) of 11idwest Planning explained and discussed the Comprehensive Plan. The plan consists of five chapters: Natural Resources, Land Use, Transpor- tation, Community Facilities and Administration. (At this time Martha used an overhead projector to view and discuss the overlays which are included in the Comprehensive Plan). Bosell asked if the study area for the CAB interceptor service is to go all the way to the northern area of the City. Martha said that yes, it does. Natural Resources - This plan is dependent on the City adopting regulations to protect flood plain areas, wet land areas and shore land areas, as well as areas along the Rum Rive:Scenic River corridor. This over~ illustrates the areas (j u o u Plam: ) & zQg Conunission Heeting December l7tn, 1979 - Minutes Page 2 (Public Hearing/Revised Comprehensive Plan cont'd.) in Andover that would be included in such an environ~ental protection district. This would decrease the overall density in the City because these lands are mostly undevelopable. Land Use - The very lowest density residential land is not illustrated on this overlay; agricultural preservation distnict. The second lowest density area is included in the Rum River Scenic corridor, an ordinance the City has already adopted that specifies development will take place at ane unit per four acres. The area outside of the Urban Service Area will have all new developments occurring on two and a half acre. density. There are other areas in the City which will potentially be serviced in the future but until the City has more information on actual time schedules and availability of services in thoses areas, the residential development will be limited to two and a half acres. Residential development has taken place at a number of different densities: acre lots, 20,000 square foot lots. The City is committed to restricting this development to areas that have already been platted and development at this density will only be permitted within the Urban Service Area in the future. The City has proposed a lmi to medium residential density district for this area. This could include single family residences and duplexes. There are areas designated for multiple family residential development, 20,000 square foot lots which is the single family suburban, and single family estate one acre lots. The purpose of different types of residential development is to provide the City with flexibility to provide transitions between different land uses to make sure the character of residential development is not dane in an abrupt manner. The overall effect of the plan will be to protect the rural open space character outside of the Urban Service Area, and within the Urban Service Area to permit a variety of higher urban residential densities with a mixture of commercial and industrial development Transportation - County Road 9 is in the process of being upgraded. Hanson Boulevard will be extended. Along with the upgrade and construction, paved shoulders will be provided on County Road 9 for bicycle useage. The City has encouraged para-transit and any potential rail development that could improve their transpor- tation system. Community Facilities - Issues the City is facing are: vfuere will the sewer be provided? Development expenses, increasing costs of road constructions, issues related to the distance that these population centers have from community service areas; the community center and exactly what kinds of services should be provided in this area. The Park S,ystem Master Plan is essentially based on a series of neighborhood parks and playfields that will serve the entire city, water-oriented communi ty parks and regional parks. The City also has for future consideration the location of new future community facilities. (two of these cites are shown on the map) On site sewage treatment ordinances have been adopted by the City which ,li11 prevent the contamination of enviornmental features by making sure such development only takes place where on-site systems can be accommodated. There were no comments from anyone in the audience at this time. Chairperson Bosell asked if any of the commissioners had any comments or questions. There were none. Bosell said that she had quite a few changes that needed to be looked at. Changes to be made - Note on page 31, rural open space, on page 43 it is rural/open space, and on page 46 it is, rule, open space. This is inconsistent and should be made consistent throughout. Discussion: Page 45, first paragraph, end of the third ... requiring a 2.5 acres lot as adjusted by officials ... that this language was to be deleted. Martha said this is policy, therefore, the language could stay. sentence where is says, Chairperson Bosell thought only an issue and not " o () Plann~~J & Z~g December 17, 1979 Page 3 Commission Meeting - Minutes ,~ '\ o (Public Hearing/Revised Comprehensive Plan cont'd.) Page 45, third paragraph, end of the first sentence, it says, able to protect its natural rural environmental. It should say, able to protect its rural open space character. Page 48, third paragraph in the center, where it says area are held in escrow until services are provided. The City does have the option not to charge... The City does not have the option, and that sentence should be deleted. Page 48, second paragraph, rhrk Schumacher of TKOA had a question about the meaning of this. Page 51, Objective #11, Permit growth in a stage manner with emphasis in the Urban Service Area, not on the Urban Service Area. Commissioners Kishel and Retzlaff disagreed and felt that the word on is the correct word. The word on .~ill remain as is. - Page 59, #17, the City Council had recommended that this item be deleted from the plan. This is to be dealt with on the City Council level. Page 60, Item #3 reads, The City has adopted and enforced the State ... The sentence should be changed to, The City has adopted and shall continue to enforce the State Building Codes and its amendments. Page 62, graphic, on the corner of Crosstown and Bunker, the area is shown as white vacant land and should be shown as neighborhood business. Page 62, graphic, on Nightengale and County Road 20, the new church could be inserted. Page 64, needs to be numbered, and the title of the last area: Areas to be served by other interceptors should be changed to: Areas not planned for sewer service expansion. . Page 64, the outline shows the Coon Creek Watershed District for the SAC charge limi t . Page 68, Bosell said that there was a third option. Martha stated that the City Council had deleted that option. The adendum should be inserted. Page 70, second paragraph, referring to the poultry industry, this language should be deleted. Page 70, second paragraph, last sentence should be deleted. (refers to tax incentives) Page 70, second paragraph, first sentence talks about the rural environmental character. This should be changed to rural open space character. Page 85, second paragraph, last sentence, the words in subdivision should be deleted. Page 105, last sentence, the words on the other hand should be deleted. Page 86, Prairie Road should be showed as being paved. Part of Crosstown should be shown as paved also. Page 106, delete date on CAB interceptor. Page 128, first paragraph, the comma between facilities and during should be deleted. Also the word enforced should be changed to enforces. Page 106, part of the Coon Creek Watershed line is used as the SAC charge line and should be changed. Page 144, second to the last sentence of the last paragraph, there is a conflict with the area north of Bunker Lake Road. Also in regard to this same matter, on Page 142 this area should be changed. Note: the commissioners felt that the wording on Page 144 and the graphis on 142 should be left as is. Page 158, second sentence of the paragraph that says Community Center Complex, needs to be clarified. Page 164, UBC needs to be spelled out for clarification. (Uniform Building Code) Jim Merrill (sp) - would like to make some comments on the Comprehensive Plan. He asked ,~hat is meant on Page 53, by the principle that states: The City shall discourage the over allocation of land use types in the community as a whole. () ~~ / '1 "-.J " " o () o r" r, Planz 7 & ~ /ng Co~~ssion Meeting Decemoe; 17, ~979 - Minutes Page 4 (Public Hearing/Revised Comprehansive Plan cont'd.) Retzlaff stated that what is meant by this principle is that the City will not overindulge in certain types of zoning such as extensive manufactured housing, multiple or industrial. Mr. Merrill had some questions about the proposed rezoning which he realizes is the next item on the agenda but felt that the Comprehensive Plan and the Rezoning l~ere closely related. He felt that perhaps more consideration should be taken on the transitions to be made in the rezoning. He stated that there is quite a bit of land ~dned by Burlington/Northern along Coon Rapids and Fridley that they have had difficulty selling. Doug Steele, 643-140th Lane N.W. - stated that this property has been changed to to property tax and this has had an impact on Burlington/Northern as far as their land disposal. Hr. Merrill showed and discussed a map of the north suburban area. He brought up the point of industrial land in Coon Rapids and Fridley l~hich is tald.ng a long time to sell. He tMhks that Andover should look at the highways for distribution of products from the railroads. Chairperson Bosell responded to Mr. Merrill's comments by saying that the area that is designated as industrial south of Bunker Lake Road is in fact Neighborhood Business. All of that is not zoned industrial at the present time. Talking about the railroad and the availability by major thoDoughfares, Bosell said that the assumption is always made that the employees are going to come from the south and head north which is not always true. As Hanson is extended farther north, it becomes easier to get to. Bosell also stated that in talking uith a representative from Burlington/Northern, he stated that he wanted the property next to the tracks zoned industrial. Retzlaff pointed out that on the graphic, the land fill isuhowh&as a single family residence. He felt that it should be designated as public use, light industrial or industrial. The Mayor stated that this had been shown as a PUD previously. On the Proposed Land Use llip, the land fill be designated as a land fill study area. Also on Page 68, paragraph 4, the word residential should be deleted. The sewer area will be referred to as the Urban Planning District. MOTION by Retzlaff, Seconded by Lobb, to close the public hearing on the Comprehensive Plan. Motion carried unanimously to close the public hearing on a 5-0 vote. MOTION by Retzlaff, Seconded by.Kishel, that the Planning and Zoning Co~~sion recommend to the Andover City ~uncil approval of the Comprehensive Plan as reviewed and amended, and further authorize the Planning and Zoning Commission Chairperson to submit the Comprehensive Plan to the adjoining communities, school districts, and Watershed Boards for their review and comnents. Motion carried unanimously on a 5-0 vote. The changes will be made and this will be distributed to the City Council, adjoining communities, school districts, and Watershed Boards. (Recess taken at 9:50, reconvaned at 10:00 p.m.) Continued Public Hearing/Rezoning Urban Service Area Chairperson Bosell stated that she would like to concentrate on the land within the Urban Service Area tonight. llirtha Greenwald, Nidwest Planning - listed Some of the problems she foresees. 1) Approval of the proposed land use, 2) surroUIlding Bunker Lake Park by development, 3) market problems, 4) impact of zoning an area this large industrial. She urged the commission to study this matter, look at other appropriate land uses outside of industrial. . . o ,r-' , \....; ~\ r, Plan~ J!> & z-.../ng Commission }<.eeting Decemuer 17, 1979 - Minutes Page 5 , \ '--..' (Continued Public Hearing/Rezoning Urban Service Area cont'd.) Doug Steele, 643-140th Lane N.W. - felt that the City should be looking at the quality of the services they can provide rather than the quantity. He does not want to see high density housing in this area. The }<~yor eXJ]lained that one of the problems that the City has with the two and a half acre lots is that it does not get dedication on streets and cross streets. He also stated that at some point in .the future he doubts that there ldll be small lots within the Urban Service Area. Commissioner Kishel said that he could see the lack of planning in this area by the mere fact of the irregular shapes of the tracts of land. He feels that an ideal size for lots would be 85 by 130. Commissioner Retzlaff agreed with Kishel, and feels that the City does have to look at the smaller lots. Commissioner Lobb felt that the City should look at the smaller lots also. Commissioner Dick commented on his own property and said that he and his neighbors were thinking about paving the road in front of their homes, but after looking at the price and size of their lots, people have changed their minds. He stated that these are 16,000 square foot lots. He also feels that the lots should be smaller. The 11ayor stated that the entire concept of the Urban Service Area when it was set up and the cost of the pipe underground, was that the area would be small lots. Jim Merrill - stated that he worked for Brooklyn Center as an engineer for 10 years and found that lots of 75 by 110 worked very well for their co~~unity. Jim asked if the City of Andover would allow septic tanks in the areas where there is no sanitary sewer. Chairperson Bosell said that right now you must have 39,000 square feet of contiguous land area to put one in. Jim sees the area along Coon Creek of providing excellent home sites, rather than industrial. He feels that rezoning this area industrial will put it undevelopable for a number of years. Lee Ecklund, 319 Ulysses St. N.E., }<anneapolis - said that there are industrial areas that have been opened up for development for 10 years or so and they are still more than 50% undeveloped, to move further out and to center your develop- ment on the rail lines he feels is somewhat unrealistic. He says that most of the industrial trafficing that is done now is done through major thoroughfares; the trucking industry. Bosell stated that she sees the trend changing because of the economy, and that the rail system. is going to become more productive. Pat Anstead, 720 N.W. Andover Road - inquired if any consideration would be given to the residents who are in the rezoning area. Bosell said that aerials would have to be looked at, and once again stressed that the Commission is looking at the area in general and not a specific use or a specific 40. Don Castle, 84l2-llSth Street, Cottage Grove - stated that he was representing Leonard Cochran of Isle, Minnesota - who owns 8S acres to the southwest corner of Section 26. The are specifically interested in the property to be rezoned. Commissioner Retzlaff asked the Mayor if the Commission should approach the rail- road to find out what some of the uses are, frequency of use, what the sidings are used for, more information about the sidings and the use of that particular stretch .'~ -, of track. '--' . . o () Plan( .! & zOg Commission Meeting Decemo~r 17, i979 - ~linutes Page 6 .' ) '-./ (Continued Public Hearing/Rezoning Urban Service Area cont'd.) Jim Merrill felt that to have residential properties on the north side of Andover Boulevard and then industrial properties on the south side of Andover Boulevard does not in the full sense provide for the compatibility between the two land uses. He feels that this does provide for negative affects which is conflicting with the principles of the Comprehensive Plan. (Refer to Item~ 1, 12, 14 and 15 of Planning Processes). He said that if the Commission feels t~ere is a definite need for industrial useage in Andover, he would ask consideration of removing the northerly portion within Section 25 from the proposed rezoning area and just consider the area southerly, which would still increase the industrial useage by over twice as much as is currently proposed. Commissioner Kishel said that this idea would encroach on the regional park, which is not good planning. Doug Steele - suggested the possibility of putting in riding and bridle paths along the railroad tracks. This would provide a buffer and also something for the community. Also suggested were cross country skiing, hiking paths or snowmobile trails. The Chair continued this matter to the first meeting in January, 1980. MOTION by Dick, Seconded by Lobb, to adjour the meeting. The meeting was adjourned at 11:40 p.m. ~~yu, Recording Clerk '\ '_ i