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HomeMy WebLinkAboutOctober 9, 1979 o () ~ 01 ANDOVER -, '-~, 00 1685 Crosstown Blvd. N.w. . Anoka, Minnesota 55303 . (612) 755-5100 REGULAR PLANNING & ZONING COMMISSION MEETING OCTOBER 9, 1979 7:30 P.M. Call to order. Approval of Minutes. 1. 2. Comm. 1f5-79-l 3. Comm. 1f8-79-2 4. Comm. #9-79-1 5. Comm. #5-79-5 6. Comm. 1f5-79- 8 7. Comm. #9-79-2 8. Comm. #9-79-3 9. Comm. #9-79-4 10. 11. Alternative Heating Sources Strawberry Commons Chapman/Lindberg Lot Split Ed Lutz Proposed Road Birchwood Pond Preliminary Plat Continued Public Hearing Christine Haluptzok Road Location Stenquist Lot Split Boehland Variance David Fluth Variance Ordinance #8 - Improved Streets Natural Screening for Junkyards Por publication October 5, 1979 r -" '-J o 0 0 0 ~ ~ ANDOVER o 165'5 e".ur,,. , ~~ 1t.1e'. . ri-k, 1HUt"el.r.. SS3tJ3 .,,~ (612J 7SS-SltJtJ RFnULAR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEEl'ING OCTOBER 9, 1979 MINUTES The Regular Meeting of the Planning and Zoning Commission was called to order at 7:)0 p.m., by Chairperson d'Arcy Bosell on October 9, 1979, at the Andover City Hall, 1685 Crosstown Boulevard NW, Anoka, Minnesota. Commissioners Present: Byron Copley, Ralph Kishel, Larry Retzlaff, Richard Okerlund, George Lobb and Walter Dick Also Present: Mark Schumacher, TKOA; Delano Skeim, Ed Lutz, Dan Christenson, Arthur Stenquist, L. Boehland, David Fluth and Jim Neril Approval of Minutes September 25, 1979: Under the Ed Lutz Proposed Road, Comm. #9-79-1, the word road should be changed to easement. MOTION by Retzlaff, Seconded by Lobb, to approve the minutes as corrected. Motion carried unanimously an a 7-0 vote. Chairperson Bosell added 9A, Rolling Creek Trails Discussion and 12, The Scenic River to the agenda for this evening. Alternative Heating Sources This item will be continued to the next meeting. Commissioner Retzlaff informed the Commission that Dr. sterling or one of his representatives is working on a schedule to come out and talk on this subject. Chairperson Bosell had some booklets in regard to this subject which she is going to get copies of for the COmmission members. Strawberry Commons (Comm. #.5-79-1) Commissioner Copley felt that the basic philosophy of Metro Council was good but stated that the City of Andover has already provided housing out in this area with- out much available to the people and with the energy crisis and all he has a hard time seeing the rational when Metro Council is not familiar with the surrounding area in question. Chairperson Bose1l pointed out that Andover is under the 10 acre lot size and felt that Metro Council was not recognizing this fact. o o o Plann~~-'and'~nong Commission Meeting Octobe~, IV - Minutes Page 2 (strawberry Commons cant'd.) o Delano Skeim - first off stated that he requested to receive a copy of the letter to Metro Council and also their response; he received neither and would like to get those copies. In response to the letter from Metro Council, Mr. Skeim feels that it is an informal letter going exactly by policy. The letter refers to his development as a shopping center and said that Andover'S ordinance does not classify it as a shopping center, and further his intent was not to build a shopping center. Mr. Skeim objected to the negativeness of the request. Mr. Skeim referred to the book titled The Development Framework Policy of the Metropolitan Council under the General Rural Use Regions, Page 48DF 278 where it talks about the subdivision of land into two and a hall' acre lots beCOming increasingly common in this area and this constitutes urbanization. He stated that Metropolitan Council feels that smaller lot size is asking for more urbanization although this does not agree with their plan. However, Andover chose this lot size and therefore is not in agree- ment with Metro Council's plan. He is going along with Andover's plans yet feels that the City Council wants him to go along with what Metro Council says. Mr. Skeim stated that Metro Council has said they would give him clarification on this matter in regards to the 2 1/2 versus the 40 acres. Commissioner Retzlaff referred to the City Council minutes of August 7, 1979, Page 11, and stated that this matter was before the Planning and Zoning Commission to seek comments and the position of Metro Council, and this has been done. Chairperson Bosell said that the Mayor asked her verbally to seek the Commission's consensus and feelings on this matter. Commissioner Retzlaff posed the question: Without Strawberry Commons, what's the size of the lots going to be in that area? He answered this by saying that they will be 2 1/2 acres with or without. He further stated that if you look at the useable land in this area to see how many more houses can be added to create a denser population you will find that it is very limited. He does not feel that Strawberry Commons in this area would cause premature development of an urban nature, and recommended that this go back to the City Council with the previous approval. Commissioner Copley is favorable to Strawberry Commons and would like to enter in with Commissioner Retzlaff's comment. Commissioner Lobb feels the same as Commissioner Retzlaff. He will go along with what he stated originally and feels that his concern about the traffic situation in the area will be remedied. Commissioner Copley noted that the traffic volume is really not going to change, and in fact it might lower the volu.'1Ie of traffic going out to the freeway to some extent. Commissioner Kishel stated that the Commission has reviewed the letter from Metro Council and his own personal feeling is that they have not really shown him much. Commissioner Okerlund is favorable to Strawberry Commons, as he was before. o Commissioner Dick is present and has no comments on the issue. Chairperson Bosell concurred with Commissioner Retzlaff's comments; the general consensus being that the Planning Commission would stand on the recommendation previously sent to the City Council. o ,- '-. l.J , P1ann~".~ an~Oning Commission Meeting October 9, 1979 - I1inutes Page 3 ~ Chapman/Lindberg Lot Split (Comm. #8-79-2) Chairperson Bosel1 explained that this item is being withdrawn because the people involved are going to go >lith a metes and bounds conveyance. She also stated that Mr. Chapman asked if his $25.00 would be refunded; it will not because the public notices had already been sent out. Ed Lutz Proposed Road (Comm. #9-79-1) Mr. Lutz sho>led the plan of the proposed road and stated that he >lould like to at least put the road in and then blacktop it in the spring. Mark Schumacher pointed out that the cul-de-sac exceeds the length as in the ordinance. Mr. Lutz stated that he cannot come out with a driveway on 20 because the land is too wet and low there. Mr. Iutz inquired as to where he could get a copy of the road standards. Chairperson Bosell said that he could talk to Mark from TKDA or get a copy of the road standards from here at City Hall. Chairperson Bosell suggested to Mr. Lutz that he get more copies of the plan ~ with the easements shOlin and also shorten the cul-de-sac. Cbpl-~'" MOTION by Retzlaff, Seconded by,,,, that the Andover Planning and Zoning Commission j,11 recommend to the City Council approval of the Ed Lutz Proposed Road Location shmm ,0,;1 on the survey dated September 27, 1979, Registration #12251 in Section 15, Township 32, Range 24 for the following reasons: 1) That the placement of the road in this location is the logical extension of 159th Lane N.W., 2) That the road location would not be detrimental to the health, safety or general welfare of the community, 3) The construction of the road should be limited to the maximum length cul-de-sac at 500 feet measured along the centerline Gf the intorocotion to the origin at the end of the right of way as defined in Ordinance 10, Section 9.03, Streets, 4) That the developer establish a 66 foot wide easement through to the existing easement to a110li access and egress to the Tormenson property, 5) The City Council has already issued a Special Use Permit for the property across which the easement we are trying to release exists and that free title to that easement is contingent upon an alternative road location. Notion carried unanimously on a 7-0 vote. This will go to the City Council on November 6th. Birchliood Pond Preliminary Plat Continued Public Hearing (Comm. #5-79-5) Chairperson Bosel1 reopened the public hearing. Commissioner Kishe1 pointed out that Tmmship of Andover should be changed to City of Andover on the preliminary plat. Chairperson Bosell pointed out the two variance requests: 1) the block length of l70th Avenue, and 2) Lot 4 of Block 1, the road frontage is less than 300 feet. MOTIrn by Retzlaff, Seconded by Kishe1, to close the public hearing. Motion carried unanimously on a 7-0 vote. () MOTIo.'f by Lobb, Seconded by Copley, that the Planning and Zoning Commission of the Ci ty of Andover recommends to the Andover City Council approval of the preliminary plat for Birchwood Pond on the following described property: All that part of the SE 1/4 of the NE 1/4 of Section 12, Township 32, " v (J r-- ~) P~.:..) anQoning Commission Meeting October 9, 1979 - Minutes Page 4 (Birchwood Pond cont'd.) Range 24, Anoka County, Minnesota, lying South and East of County State Aid Highway Nu:nber 18, more commonly known as CrosstO'~n Boulevard with the exception of the fOllowing described land: Part of the SE 1/4 of the NE 1/4 of Section 12, Township 32, Range 24, Anoka County, Minnesota described as follows: Beginning at the NE corner of said SE 1/4 of the NE 1/4 thence West along the North line of said section a distance of 550.64 feet to the point of inter- section with the centerline of County state Aid Highway Ifumber 18 as it is now laid out and traveled; thence Southwesterly along the centerline of said County Road 18 a distance of 84.03 feet to the point of beginning of the tract to be described; thence continuing along said centerline of County Road 18 in a Southwesterly direction for a distance of 425 feet; thence Southeasterly along a line having a bearing of South 46 degrees 35 minutes 14 seconds East a distance of 500 feet. Thence Northeasterly on a line parallel to the center- line of said County state Aid Highway Number 18 a distance of 425 feet; thence northwesterly on a line parallel to the Southeasterly ~. line of this tract 500 feet to the point of beginning. Subject to 1 an castme~over the Northwesterly 33 feet thereof. ( /o-A3-1f' e,u~~~ The Commission recommends approval based on the following reasons: 1) A public hearing was held and there. was no public opposition, 2) The plat meets the . ANt).> . ordinances of the CitY^aB ~n conformance with the Comprehens~ve Development Plan, 3) The plat has been reviewed by the City Engineer, 4) A letter of approval from the County Highway Department was received, 5) The Commission has received the recommendation from the Parks Department for $2,000 in lieu of land, 6) There are two variances required for this plat: One would be on Ordinance 10, Section 9.05-A for the length of 170th Avenue N.W. and the second variance would be for Lot 4, Block 1 because the frontage is less than 300 feet (Note: There is n~ other way Lot 4 in Block 1 could possibly fit into the plat and that 170th~'}in orderly planning and best use of the land- cannot be shortened in any possible way). (\ '--) Motion carried unanimously on a 7-0 vote. This will go to the City Council on November 6th. Christine Haluptzok Road Location (Comm. #5-79-8) Chairperson Bosell stated that she has notl.eceived anything on this matter and requested that Vicki send her a letter and ~that when she is ready she will be put back on the agenda. Everyone was in agreement. (A recess was taken at 8:38 p.m. and the meeting reconvened at 8:50 p.m.) Stenquist Lot Split (Comm. #9-79-2) Arthur Stenquist, 4731 - lS9th Avenue N. W. - explained that he would like to sell two - one acre lots of his property and the reason for this is because of the assessments which are $27,000. All the other lots around this property are one acre lots also. Chairperson Bosell stated to Mr. Stenquist that Ordinance laC requires that all lots lacking sanitary sewer must be two and a half acres in size. () () Pla.rJ~,~ anWning Commission Meeting October 9, 1979 - Minutes Page 5 o (Stenquist Lot Split cont'd.) She also explained to Mr. Stenquist that he would be creating three lots by this split and the Ordinance says only two. Sha-sugge.ated-tha.:LMr-..-8tenquist-sel3:--t~ . ~~but Mr. stenquist did not, feel that this woul,d I be of any help to him. .!>'Jr. '31-~Nffu;'7 .,,'fJ...... 'e~<' ,f. A' ~ l...~,_ ~.e<.~ " 'P1rl'f'<1?..-f., a... iN(J.re..se.. ~/'~+I';"c'~ o.f' I'N~O..-I y So..... -/0 It c- u"-~ 'Lt:t.-r'7e; ~tl-"r5 +0 e.../'f'Li..,. MarION by Okerlund, Seconded by Retzlaff, t.hat tlie Andover Planning and Zoning Commission recommend to the City Council denial of the application for a lot I Cy;;z 3- /'7 split by Arthur Stenquist for the following reasons: 1) It does not comply with Ordinances 40, 40A, 40B and 10C due to the fact that Mr. Stenquist is proposing one acre lots where the minimum should be two and a half, and he is proposing the creation of three lots where the Ordinance only allows two; 2) Allowing this can be detrimental to the health, safety and >lelfare of the community. Motion carried unanimously on a 7-0 vote. This >lill go on to the City Council November 6th. Boehland Variance (Comm. #9-79-3) L. Boehland, 17211 Germanium Street N.W. - explained that he bought this property thinking it complied with the ordinances, but it must now be platted in order to get a building permit. Chairperson Bosell suggested that Mr. Boehland get a site plan to show both lots and the placelMnt of the building. Some of the requirements would be to file 10 copies of the preliminary plat >lith the Clerk, pay the fees, refer to the P & Z, have the engineer write a report once this is submitted, hold a public hearing, copy of the notice l~ould need to be sent and the Commission would have to make a report to the City Council, etc. The general consensus of the Planning and Zoning Commission was to have Mr. Boehland plat this property. It was recommended that Hr. Boeh1and get a copy of Ordinance lOA, B, C & D and follow the requirements for platting the 2.4 acres. MOTION by Retzlaff, Seconded by Kishel, thaI" :life Planning and Zoning Com:nission ~ 7/ recommend to the City Council that this 4t-eiii be platted rather than vary from /0 .-1 platting procedure and that the money spent for the application be applied to the planning fees because there has not been any public notice sent out. Mark Schumacher recommended that Mr. Boehland contact TKDA in regard to this matter. Hotion carried unanimously on a 7-0 vote. (Commissioner Dick left at this time.) David Fluth Variance (Comm. #9-79-4) David Fluth, 13858 Crosstown Boulevard - would like to put a 12 foot addition on his garage which would make 900 square feet. o The Commission pointed out that this would be in violation of the side yard setback, and asked if he had considered extending out to the back. Mr. Fluth said he has thought about this but has a hip roof and feels this idea 'Would make it appear more like an addition rather than one continuous line. Mr. Fluth says that his neighbor is not opposed to his idea. o u P~~,~ an~oning Commission Meeting October 9, 1979 - Minutes Page 6 ') (David Fluth Variance cont'd.) '--. Commissioner Retzlaff felt that there were alternatives. Chairperson Bosell stated that she would rather see the garage extended either to the front or to the back. MarION by Copley, Seconded by Kishel, that the Andover Planning and Zoning Commission recommend to the City Council denial of the variance for the following reasons: 1) It is in violation of Ordinance 8, Section 6.02; 2) Denial of this does not create a hardship on the property owner; 3) Alternatives are aVailable to the property owner. Motion carried unanimously on a 6-0 vote. This will be on the City Council's November 6th agenda. s Agenda Item 9A, Rolling Creek Trail Sketch Plan Jim Meril of Meril and Hanson who are the surveyors of the project, explained that the area involved is southerly of Andover Boulevard and westerly of the Burlington-Northern Railroad tracks. The parcel is 138 acres in area and they are proposing to subdivide the area into 2 1/2 acre lots which would consist of 42 lots and then 13.8 acres would be dedicated as park land. Chairperson Bosell pointed out that the area proposed for park land is very wet, may even be peat land, and stated that the Park Commission will not accept this. Also, the roads would have to be widened from 50 feet to 66 feet. Mr. Meril stated that the ordinances he received said 50 feet. The Commission recommended that Mr. Heril meet 'With the Park Commission to get the feeling from them of what they thought of this plan before changing it. It was pointed out that there would have to be a temporary cul-de-sac on the extension to the west. Some of the block lengths will have to be changed to 1320. Mark Schumacher suggested that Mr. Meril have the centerlines of the road lineup ldth the centerline of the County road. Mark also suggested that Hr. Meril be in contact 'With the Coon Creek Watershed District. Natural Screening for Junkyards (Agenda Item #11) This was forwarded from the City Council for the purpose of investigating the possibility of considering some variance procedure with some standards as to the possibility of seeing the junk frem any other area, per City Council minutes of september 18, 1979. Chairperson Bosell stated that she had been on a tour of the junkyards during today and had a ~'Wing showiW tpe junkyards and their fenCing. She stated that t~ l-Anrl.e;" c:0l'i1;rtie~ r~qu!re'tf to do some fencing in the future. Chairperson Bosell related to the commissioners that the City Council is looking to this commission for a recommendation on 'When junk is facing junk, do we want a privacy fence or Can they simply install a security fence? <) '-- Chairperson Bosell recommended that the commissioners look at this item very, very carefully and come with some written material as to what they would like to see as part of the variance procedure so that some standards could be established. (Mrs. Jellison was in the audience in regard to this item.) . . . u C) Plann:C) andCbg Commission Meeting October 9, 1979 - Minutes Page 7 , - \ (Natural Screening for Junkyards cont' d) '---..' This item will be continued to the next meeting, which is October 23rd. Ordinance #8 - Improved Streets (Agenda Item #10) This is before the Planning and Zoning Commission to make some recommendation or to be able to legislate in some way so that a building permit Olill not be issued on other than an improved road. A public hearing will be held to amend Ordina.'lce 10 (16.02 and 9.03) and Ordinance 8 with regard to this matter and also change the street width. Scenic River Ordinance, Rum River (Agenda Item #12) Commissioner Retzlaff felt that the map to go along Olith this item, should also include the update of the rezonings. The Commission Olas unanimous in their decision to adopt the standards and criteria for Utility Transmission Crossings as in Minnesota Regulation NR79 12. In regard to the Commissioner receiving the item, or he responds to it, or if 30 days lapsed, or if he certifies approval -- the Commission chose to adopt the language of SUbsection C3 of the letter of October 1, 1979. HOT ION by Retzlaff, Seconded by Lobb, that the Andover Planning and Zoning Commission recommend to the City Council adoption of the Rum River Scenic Ordinance items expressed in the October 1, 1979, letter from the Department of Natural Resources, and second that the zoning map be updated. Hotion carried unanimously on a 6-0 vote. MOTION by Lobb, Seconded by Okerlund to adjourn this meeting. Motion carried unanimously. The meeting was adjourned at 11:03 p.m. )J )rdpLh r-~y --_/-;' Recording Clerk -,- '\ . , J