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REGUL()PLANNING & ZONING COMMISSION IJING U
APRIL 24, 1979
AGENDA
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Approval of Minutes
1. COI!1m. if 9-79-6 Rum River Ordinance Public Hearing
2. Corrnn. if 4-79-2 Klatke Lot Split
3. Comm. if 4-79-3 Philip Anderson Discussion
4. Comm. 1f12-78-6 Ordinance lO-D Park Dedication
5. Corrnn. if 2-79-5 Zoning Map
6. Corrnn. if 3-79-7 Swirrnning Pool Ordinance
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r:he Regular E"3eting of the Plc:lnning and Zoning Co~issian "':Jas called to order 2.t
7:32 p.m., by Ciw.irperson d'Arcy Eosell on April 24, 1979, c.t the Andover City E3.11,
1685 Crossto":-:n Boulevard. IT.-J, .A...'1oka, i.:inne3ota.
8c~~issioners PrC3ent: ~~on Copley, R21ph Kisnel, George Lobb, Rich2rd Ok2rl~~d,
Jeannine ?JTon ~~d L~rry TIetzlaff.
Go~nissioners Absent: No~c
Also Present: Fhilip ...\nderson, ;\rthur BuGett, ?aul Jensen, :lo~er Klatke :J.nd D81,'::lJlo :3!{ciY'1.
Approval of Zinutes
April 10, 1979:
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Page 2, Eu.."1:ocr 3, l''Iotion by -l.."'.T, !~Th8 p12n has been rovie~'.)ed by City
Ensineer3.11 Correction should be, l:The pla.t ~..3 been revie1~ed by City
Engineers. :!
;:otio::. by LJbb, seconded by PjTOn, to approve the ;linutes of c\pril 10, 1979.
Vote on ~ation: yes - 3~sell, Copley, lQshel, C~~crl~~d, Inbb; prese~t - P~Tcn,
Retzlc.ff. :lotion c::rried.
Chairperso::1 Bose11 asked tho.t before ~.Je start the a.genda that 1':e insert De 1;;11 0 Skein
under Ite:n. 111.:r~ber 3. Ee iVould like just 3. fe.:, minutes to discuss ,.;ith the
Planning COn:;'.ission and get their reaction to a sketch plan that he is looking into.
It applies to a...~ area if;'!::J.ediatel:r ~oJest of IndustriQl P::tr1-: 2-"'1:1 Frar:-r:.:ell 1,..L'1.chine.
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Chairpzrson 3~sell opened the public heQring. Theco~~issioners received updated
pages th3.t 1:ere to b8 inserted in the dro.ft. On Page 3 un::Jer Bluff Line, the
Co:."'...'":1ission chw-J.ged the s::ntence to read, PAt 'uhich the slDpe becon:es more than
12 perceYlt. p 0:1 Pag8 l~, the COY:"z:1i3sion exp,3-'1G.ed the definition of !!lot." en
Page 5 there "'ri~as a de18tion under definition LTo. 20, 't~hich 1'JaS '!sGtbac}:. H Cn
Page 6 the CCIil;aissioIl o.ddecl the definition, Tlsingle fs.;:].i1y d"';'~elling, 1I Clnd thcn
renlL'7lcercd sc~e of the definitions. en P::.t;e 7, the ne;-~est page, the COi.'....""1ission
added, "sideyard setback fro;.l the street." This liould apply only to the corner
lot from. an intericr lot line. Also added ,;as t.he fl'O:1t ;jTard setback, ,'Jhich is
at the buildi..."1.g line close3t to the street. C'n PaGe 7, It9~ ITa. 111"Jould b3,
"10+ o"pth of l"("J ",,'"'t '<>"0'1 .Lhe 11; ~h "~tcr "'~rk" ;)~ ~'"' 8 und~r "'"'ctlO orl 5 0'3 01
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this i3 a recc~:lcndation of the D:,[{ that the 1~gU:159 be ch.:mged to read, IlLots of
record ~n the: Ci'i"ice of the Count;)' Recorder on the effective dQY ef enactnsnt of
this ardir:arlce, lJ~ich do not r.:eet the dir::cnsional r(!ouirG~r..ents of this ordi:-:2nce
8h:111 be allo,,;~ed. ~ buildin~ sites pro"lided: 8uel1 us"'e is perr.-..i tted in the land
use district; the lot ,.:o.s in <J. separate o'mership on the date of this enact::lent
of thi3 ordin2nc8; nnd all s~~itary and dinensional requirements of this ordin~ce
be ,~__l':'..........,-,l 23 far 8.3 pr~cticablG.l!
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Hinutes - _\pril 2h, 1979
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(l1u:':1 Iii ver OrdinQIlce Public l{earing, continued)
en Page 8, 6th line from the bottom, the Com:ni3sion proposed a chmlge of the
sentence, "Sixty percent more of the lot 1lith st~dards...," to read: "Sixty
percent or nore of the lot standards of these regulations nay be considGred as
a separ8.te parceL.. f1 On Page 10 the Co~';]ission adopted the recom.'1lendation of
the D~ffi, the reference to tho llinnesota Pollution Control as it applies to
Sei-i3.gc treatment 3Y3te~13. Page 11 and 12 no ch2~nge3. Pac;e 13 change 8.3.02
to incorporate public 1later.
Paul Jenson, 17225 Round Lake Boulevard - inquired about docks on the ~~';] River.
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On Page 13, iP.OJ.fh, the-ColTnission agreed thav the 13ngu8ge of the D:l:t be adopted. 5,8.7/ I
That has been incorporated in the corrected pages. On Page 14, 9.01.01, the hst
s,,;ntence lias e;;p~dcd to read, "Th8 Hinnesota Pollution Control Agency standards
for individual sC"Ja:-;e treat:nent syste!T's."
Paul Jensen, 17225 Round Lake Boulevard - asked about S:03-01 on Page 13. lIe
'JP.J.1ted to Im01J if thD.t r.J8~S that a person c:mnot :::,un a pm-ler line fro::l O:1e
shore to ac'1other. Tb) Core"~ission inforned Paul th.J.t you do n,ot need a ::;pecial
Use Permit as 10'1;; as they go over 200 kilovolts or greater.
~n PaGe 16, the nur:oer in the po.renthesis ,JQS corrected to 5.02.01. On Pa;;e 10,
the CoreJ:'J.ssion changed the l:J.nJu.'l.:;c there to re3.d, "Thd the Com.~issioner ,Jill /J _. .~_~
receive our m.'ltcrials at least .30 dn.ys prior to such hsltrings or mee~in;~a-to ~77
consider the issu;mce of a Conditional Use Fer!'lit. Ro..ther tha.n g58g:1~tl:; it, he .J.f
1113 to receive it. The S"tne ch;mge ,Jill ClPllly t::> Section 10.07.02. On Pase 19,
tap of the page, that laf3t pJ.rt of the Gentence 110." elimin:J.ted S0 that the 12.st
sentence on Fa[;e le ,Jould read: "rhe 30tice of Applic:J.tion shall incl1;,de a cop::'
of the proposed ordinances or 2.m'3ndnsnt or a copy of the propo3ed inCOn3l.stcnt
plat or ~escrirtion of the requ2sted v:lri::nce." On :'C[~s 19, "ection 3, n.g'lin
the 1~G1gu:l.i~e ~'Jas ch2n.:;ed to be "JO day;], 11 2.nd then, I1recei vcd by the CO:71'"";1is sir.ner. I!
Larry RetzI3.ff, CO::'J'lissioner - tlsked hO.1 receipt by t:1C Com:ni3sioner is confirmed.
Gh~irp.srso!l :::.:')se11 stated t.hat the best 1'Jay is t,':) .sc11d th8 r.lateri.3.1 by ~~J:,""'io- aoa"J~r
or by registcre8. :1.::til.
\~'n Pa2~ 20, in the mid"lle of tho paGe, ths Co:r.:rnission ch2J1ged Conditional Use
?crmit, general conditicnal use, o.nd th€n ;lddcd the lett~rs PH-?D r.enning the:,r
need a public hearin.:;, :lnd th"t the COclmissicn had to fOr1lQrd .:my decisions to
the Co~,;,..."l.iS3ioner of :~0.tUl",'ll Resources. The item, ?er:1it.s For Privo.te Recreation~.l
D2vclop:~ents needs to be ccrrected. It should be Conditional Use Pernits, und
the action nscess:J.ry i.s ?H-CC, 1;hich means th!'.t there is a public hearin;:: CL'1d 0..
ccrtificaticn.
:'l,)tion by net~},l.ff, 3econc.led by wbb, to close t.hlJ ?'J.blic }!f~~.~ir:(~. VOLe en
llotiol"~: Yes - 20:lell, Cop12J:, Kishel, Lobb, Ol-:orlUl1d, i"):rron tlnd 0.Dtzl.J.ff.
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rto~er I-Qatke, 2468.] Ihlst ,\'vc. iT. ~ Ror;ers, ~.linn2sota - (3tep3on of .'\rthur EUS2tt,
stated to the CO;-iL-:1ission that ..:\:rthur Lu,sett i,') gettin~3 up a ,;-;ays i:1 J""cn.rs .::nd
th::t he; i3 interested in bUJ""ing 30:::e of the la...l1d fro~ ~'Ir. Eusett so that ::r. LU:3ett
could haye a little 1::01'e to live on basically. Lr. ladl~e doesn't pbn on
bUildinG on it for ". nu:;;,bcr of ;years, if .:tt ;:111.
Chairperscn 30s811 noted a couple of p1'obler::3: 1) ,lccoreiinr; to the section ;1ap,
parcel 2400 lS noT, properly described. The description for that describes p,s.~ccl
2hlO. 2) These hiD pi'oces of property need t.J be combined. There i" also a
question on the size of the property. ('ne;)f the lots lIould not meet the t,.;o and
a h.alf acre lot requirc:ment.
LIr. lQ.D.tl~c Gho~~ed the Co~--nission hiG application for ce'f.1bino.tion of parcels 2400
.:lnd 2700. 7h2 Gor.r:ussion reCOrT.l12nded that 1:r. Xlatkc get the cor::bi:1o.tion certi~E'i~cat(~
0I101-Jing tl:c nc~'.J p:J.rccl nv:::bcr, and .1.130 get a COpjT of the surve~ror' s report
othcruise he should h~lYe it surveyed 2.g.:lin. .;"i..ftcr ttcc8 t~-JO reccn--':-:J.cndati8ns [ire
c.:trriod through, the Cox1.ission ~,lould approve the lot split.
Philip ;\nderson Discussion (CoY:'J1.;' 4-79-3)
Philip c'.nderson, 2513 138th Ave. :!. ~!., .'.ndover - discus.sod the possibility of
opening up a piece of property in the 2300 bloc]: of Bunker L'lke Drive. '1'he prop'Ol:'ty
is prcse:J.tly o'med by }:r. .'enderson's mother-in-lacl 1:ho ,JOuld like to divide the
property up .'1J'":on::;est her children before she dies. ::r. A."lderson ilould like to
put a house bacl~ thore. ,It the pre38:1t tine, there is Q road going to his mother-
in-Iou's hClmo, and ;:r. ,'\nderscn 110Uld lil:e to get access to possibly one or t;.]O
more houses further bo.ck. There are no plans for Douses ;rct. Ee is liOndering
about the necessity of putting a 66 foot road, the plr:tting, etc. 11e believes
the drive"ay ,wuld end up to be 900 3.Ild so:::o odd feet lonG'
Comnissioner R.etzlaff felt that there "as one r::O.i11 prcblen .:::nd that is that the
Cor,1mission has to abide by the lalls of the City of ;'.ndover and the State of I:innesota
and it has to 11J.ve fronta;;e on a dedicated constructed right of llay. To put .:::.nother
house on the property ,;auld not give the proper r02.(1 frontage, therefore, it is
necessary to h:we a 66 foot ;lide road 1lith .300 feet of roade.frontage.
Chairperson 1303811 noted another an;le tha.t the roc.a ~ould. be constrD-cted but it
,.Jould still have to neet the nininu;:t requirement of 66 feet llide and approxil":J.tely
uould end up to be 600 feet long. Then he could stop the road ;lith a tel".poary
cul-de-sac c:.nd put his drivm'lay on to the rest of the acreage. Ill'. .lndersol1 1lould
:y;ake tIlo pieces of property and. nothing !'lould have to be eiene to the lots, only
the reads lJCuld have to be approved. The roads ,1Ould h?ve to be cOI1pleted ~d
dediC.:lted.
~3cess at 8:50 p.~.; reconvened at 9:03 p.n.
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Delano Sl~eiI:l, 1')800 '.2rilProck Street ::. ~J., TIo.I:lsc:,r - h2.s purch:lsed a 40 acre parcel
of lr!,nd tho..t i3 lcco.ted. across the street fro:7l the Industrial Pork.. It has frontngc
of a quarter of a I:lile on County Road 5' and. 0. quarter of a I:lile on 161. He is
confronting the situ:J.tion of ho,J to develop it up. ;:e has discussed this ,lith
the Park 13o;-,rd oncJ they are open o.s to their ;nrk needs. III'. Skein's first proposal
liGuld be to put in 0. neiGhborhood business in the eastern po.rt l'li th the 101') liJ.nd
area being used QS ponding. There l'lOUld be a road. in fr'J171 161 ,lith t,'IO te<:1porary
cul-de-sacs. lie 1!ould like a buffer in bebleen the comnercial =d residential,
putting in a nultiple ell-Jelling l-ii th the garages k.cl:ed up aso.ir.st the cO:r'.'nercial.
There l'IOUld be t,w and a. h:>.lf acre lots on the resic'ential side of the )~O. If it
1'lere designed like o.bove-r1cntioned, tl:e cUl-c.e-3!1.C ,JOuld properly be part of =
easenent to the adjacent po.rty.
:'x. S:~ein's second id.e2.1;'Juld be cOrl.'norcb.l zonlng, ::mltiple three, lots 1,2,3,
4, 5, 6, 7 and 8. There ';Jould be a ca;:;:1on area for a park. It 1-lOuld be density
zcning he believes. There ~Jould also be t.,JO 113.11::,';~..r3, ~vhich could be converted
into bike paths. lX. "lwim prefers to go "lith the second propos'll.
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1. e cr.:r.li1JSS19n 2~';.tV~:"L52~_:-l' ._~.)lcelm un:;.u mu . lp e Q',>i8 _ .lng3 .UCU...... oe au Gcause 0
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e ~:prn_18~.3-~ ~ J GJ1C1 l lS n8 a SC1JereQ area. 1.X'. '~l:elr.l as.:ea a )QU... vL.8
zoning on double bllilgalO\Js .:L'1d 1\as o.dvised th.::t th~t lJould be a multiple d;mllin,:~
.::1:>0. IIultiples are not p.')rnitted in an '[(1 zono. The CCrl.'"1ission said that even
if Ix. Sl~ein ,;ere goinG to only put in a neighborhood business, he 1-:ould have to
eo:::e before the Corunission 1iith so:::o sort of deSiGn, 11hat he is going to put in
specifically. 1'118 sUGGestions nade to ;:r. Skeir.11JOuld be to stay ,:uwy fro;,1
I;lUltiple dliellings because of the ord:L'K.nces. Ee could discuss it further ond
ceme in Hith a rlore specific sketch plm or go ah02,d C-'1C ha.ve a prelimL1!lry dr;:;;n
up. The COY:'.,,:,ission .Jould then be able to scrutinize the subject a little better
to :1:lke sure ths.t it ;Jill :::eot all the ordi::12nce requirerlents.
(;rdin2nce 10-D Pe~rk Vedication (Corr.'"1. :' 12-78-6)_
Chn.irp8r3cn :;]03el1 stnted tl:at the COr.':.rrssicn' 3 purpose is to discuss this issue
briefly. 711e P,:c.rk CO:::;'lis3icn heW to present it again to the City COllncil.<1 ".J
~om1~ssion~r Lobb s~,ggested that the COrl."l~ssi';n back ~he.~~~':;:,. ::;0~.v:clPo;~{~ht""~:~
l~~dl.ng Dna QCCO~'1tlnz, and also the reQul.rements 8n Qedl.cated91~d and I:ll.nl.<:1Q~ s"~~79
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areas. Lobo noted Pazs ') and bl~c.:L~ be used to bac,( up tnese issues. The
TIeco:;"X1ondation of the 12nguage ch3.nge, "to add ono percent to dedication
requireT:18nt,s instead of, of. The CotL';1issio!1 agreed tho.t thelanguage ch,:nge
in '? 076 and ') .077 ,Jas llilreasonable.
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'11JO basic proble,,,-:::;: 1) That b;y orC1.l.nance the COrl.'1li:::;"ion is required to notify
the adjoining co=unities a11d mdt 30 days for their respoD:Je. R3.!lsey ,')as notified,
Oak Groye ,1as not. Therefore, :.x. J3.cobson l.;auld not talee :my action Q'1til Calc
Grove llas notified ,md allo':ed 30 deWs to respond; 2) COQ'1cil.'n2n Lachinski had
a h3.rd th1e deter171inint; ;ihat pieces of property lJere spccificall:l beinZ dealt ,'li tho
Ghairper30n Eosell shn:.Jed 0. cit:,r map tho.t she h.3.d roughJJr colored i:l, iden:.ifJrin~
the properties the.t IJere goinz to be affected. This Has not adequ.ate enough 8l1d
,30 the clerk colored up a ~:lp to sho:.] 1.;hich pieces of pr;)perty l7ill be dealt ~'}ith.
Does the nap really have to be upd.ated becD.use of the actions taken in Se? It 1::::.S
a:~reed that the COi"J'1issic:1 ;.)ill have 0. nm'l zoning :1,?P updated to include tl:.e I?Q'n
River Ordin:::nce, etc.
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COr:1'nissioner Lobb reported that he talleen to three pool contractor3 in the T,.!i:1
City n.rea. :18 reported that the COf.1..:D.SSiCn3 f T1ai..'l'1 concern ~~rt'0t~3 regul:1ting
the s~~itary conditions, but cafety. Lobb s~G6estBd th~t fencing be either
f81.ll' or six feet in height 3inee five foot fenoing i3 not available. He also ;;
3ugge3ted that reference be rl:1.de to include llk:.t a c0.;;'J1crcial or public nool ~~
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ilo'~ld be. The ~T::\tioD2.1 Institute on 1+-e .:i?" defined the si.)irr.:ning pool as being ..s--J.11
20,J squ::re feet in areo. or over 2h inche3 in 6epth. Lobb felt th3.t so:::e reference
should be tl.:tde .?G -to rctroD.ctivity to include people ,,:]ho already haVe pools.
Durin::: ccn3truction of Doo13, Lobb tall:ejl.of adoutino'C' the rules of Burnsville
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'.lnereby Cl fence of at least four feet~ oe ei"ected.
Corr::J.issioner Copley added that he had contncted a couple of pool contractors
also. He sto.tec: that the contro.ctors gave hi::! tho i!1jJression tho.t the ordinance
should be as stiff 0.3 possible, beco.use they felt tn:::t that ll0uld eliminate tJ:e
co~petition. Copley said that the contractors felt tho.t the pool should be
Grounded and hG ai6n't think that this lms covered in the electrical coding.
.'L'1other iten tho.t Copley felt tho.t shculd be considered ",,':'.s decking. Also,
specify that the pool has to be so ::-Jll1:J' feet 3.1J:1Y fro;:: a septic system. Copley
r:tentioned that :3ecticn 2, Ite:n B, "lJithin 10:'.feet fro::! any side or rear lot line, fl
should be included in the ordin:J.l1ce. Ee 0.180 felt that because of the rural
n:::ture of Andover th3.t people CQTI have the pool, in cort:::in inst211ces, in the
front :J-a.rd. 3ecticn 3, Iten A should read, "0. nininu":1 of four feet in height."
CO!T'.;..."11.ssioner Ol:crlumd T:lc:1ticned th.').t 'ui th sp.:.s (hot tubs), i t ~i[;ht be a good
idea to have 0:, cover on them, or n fence arolL."1d then. The Cor.'h'"":1ission, after
some discussim on the :mbject of SPo.s (not tubs), aGreed that there should be
some research to cer'-lor tl:em or not to cover. Chairpe:'sol1 Bosell sd.id tt::t
1.fter tr:.es8 things <":.~e rcsGarched, the CC;7.:ussiQn i'Jou~d be read:r to discuss
the:1 Qg2in in t1.]O ~']ce!::.s.
,\t the next :r.eeting, the Co:r~";).ission l;ill c:enJ. ld th the CO~lprehensi ve Plo.n anj.
decide if t.hey D.~rC8 or c.isogree lJi th the p81icies, cont:tnue \'Ji th the Xlatke
lot ::'plit and the :::l!ir-c"ling Pool Ordinance.
:Iaticn 1;)y 1.011b, seCOl1ded bj" Retzlaff, to ::djourn. :~otion cnr:-oied u..."1nnir:ousl~".
:.::,:?ctinb adjournc(l at 10: 22 p.:1.
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