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HomeMy WebLinkAboutNovember 6, 1980 o o 0 ~ ~ ANDOVER o ( I o PARK COlmMISSION ~nillTING - NOVEMBER 6, 1980 MINUTES The Regularly Scheduled Meeting of the Park Commission was called to order by Chairman Mand at 7:35 p.m., Thursday, November 6, 1980, at the Andover City Hall, 1685 Crosstown Blvd. N.W. Commission Members Present: Commission Members Absent: Also Present: Longbella, Nichols and Rogers Anderson, LeFebvre and Meyer Rosella Sonsteby - Rosella's Addition LuAnn Wilcox and Sue DeWeendt - Northglen/Quickstrom Park Carl Ander - Pine Hills Park ROSELLA'S ADDITION Chairman Mand advised a petition has been received from Auditor's Sub. #82 requesting parkland on the lake. There are 98 lots - 69 signed the petition for parkland, 1 was undecided. According to Ms. Sonsteby, 11 of these people ovm vacant lots which would make a total count of 81. Further, the Council, during their November 5th meeting, almost unanimously did not approve of accepting these lots instead of property in or adjacent to her plat. Ms. Sonsteby commented the Council felt there should be a park in her plat, which she thinks would be a nuisance due to the size, and that the petition would be a separate item which she wanted acted upon tonight. She then explained the plat has been sent back to Planning & Zoning because the Mayor wanted a road constructed across Lot 3, Block 1. This road would serve no useful purpose because, on her sketch plan of proposed future development, Woodbine is shown to be extended. When Good Valuedevelops their property, Woodbine most likely would be extended further south. The Commission then looked at a copy of the sketch plan she was referring to. Ms. Sonsteby added it would cost her almost $500.00 to have the plat redrawn again and that she was going to wait and see what the Planning & Zoning Commission had to say about the road before making any changes. Chairman Mand then explained the topography of the adjacent property to Glen Rogers. He advised there are now three single family lots in the plat so park dedication is now 10% instead of 12%. This computes to 1.46 acres or 63,600 sq. ft. He suggested Lots 9 and 10, Block 1, for the reason that, although the combined area is more than 10%, she would be losing two lots instead of three. Ms. Sonsteby stated she wanted to keep those lots because they were large and would be the first ones sold. The people buying them probably would want to put in a garden in the back. Various lots were then discussed at length. Ms. Sonsteby said she wanted to keep the park away from her ditch to avoid trespassers. Steve Nichols stated Lots 4, 5, and 6, Block 1 would total about 3,000 sq. ft. less than the dedication requirement. By selecting Lot 3 instead of Lot 6, the square footage loss would be greater. MOTION by Nichols, seconded by Longbella, to recommend the City Council accept Lots 4, 5 and 6, Block 1, in Rosella's Addition plat as parkland and that the shortage be cash in lieu of land based on $3,000 per acre. In the event there is a road to be constructed through Lot 3, the recommendation would be Lots 4, 5, 6 and part of Lot 3, Block 1, in order to obtain full park dedication. Motion carried unanimously. CJICKSTROM/NORTHGLEN PARK SITE PLAN The two girls presented a preliminary sketch of this park site plan. The secretary inadver- tantly furnished them with an old preliminary plat of Northglen. Two residential lots are Page #2 - Minutes November 6, 1980 u () o o ( now parkland. Shown were rink, court and field areas plus a tot lot. , " ,-,hey took a survey in the Quickstrom area, the two main interests are ice skating and bicycling. Of those responding, most of their children are between 6 and 12. Chairman Mand explained the location of the existing tennis courts and added he doubted if tennis courts would ever be constructed in this area. He also suggested to include a parking lot in the park. The girls agreed and stated they felt a jogging trail should also be added since there is a great interest in running at the present time. They will redraw the plans and return. PINE HILLS PARK Carl Ander, 16228 Tulip St. N.W., among others, requested that a skating rink be constructed in Pine Hills park as there are many children in the area. He has to travel at least five miles in order to take his children skating. Previously he was told that maintenance would be the biggest problem due to the size of the staff - snowplowing and sanding would have to come first, but he stated he felt he could obtain volunteers to help maintain the rink. Chairman Mand told Mr. Ander of the attempts to maintain skating rinks in several parks and that there was a hockey rink and a free skating rink at City Hall. Mr. Ander said he was unaware of the facilities at City Hall but added he would still have to travel over five miles to get to a rink. He then presented a list which 19 children and 11 adults signed. At the bottom of this list was "To clean off ice rink". An unknown woman dropped this list off at his house stating she added "To clean off ice rink" after the people had signed. He does not know what they were told, but he knows for sure one of the adults on the list would never volunteer for anything. Chairman l~d stated the Public Works Director checked soil borings in the area and said most likely a shallow well about 1)-14' deep would be sufficient to obtain water. Under good c6nditions, a rink, 100' x 100' would take 10-12 hours of flooding time in order to get the rink established. After that it is just a matter of clearing the snow and minimal flooding. 1~. Ander again said he was sure he could get volunteers to help clear snow and even flood if they could borrow the equipment. MOTION by Mand, seconded by Nichols, to authorize the Public Works Director to purchase sufficient sand points to create a skating rink in Pine Hills park and arrange to have existing personnel, if time allows, install the points and grade out an adequate area for a rink contingent upon that the residents in the area are willing to help maintain it. Discussion: Chairman Mand thought the best location for the rink would be where the contractor dumped fill off of 16lst. Glen Rogers questioned the need for sand points and asked when the city well would be finished. This was not knO?ffi, however, Chairman lfund calculated it would take 20-30 trips with a 1,000 gal. tanker to build 3" of ice. Glen Rogers commented the tanker holds 2,000 gals. Chairman Mand stated sand points are about $100 each, it would end up more expensive in labor and vehicle expense to haul water as it is about a 10 mile round trip. The rest of the Commission agreed with Chairman l~d that sand points were the best way to go. Motion carried unanimously. AUDITOR'S SUB. #82 PARK PETITION A total of 81 lots out of 98 were owned by the res~dents who signed the petition. Ms. -Sonsteby stated the balance probably were not home when the petition came around. Steve ~;iChols felt the reason for the petition was to obtain a park in the area which has now been recommended. Ms. Sonsteby contended the residents wantanother access to the lake because the County's Page #3 - Minutes November 6, 1980 <) o u (" \J ( \ access is so dangerous. Chairman Mand stated the Council was very reluctant to accept any c' "and on the lake as it would serve no useful purpose. \..-J Glen Rogers suggested to table this item until it is known whether or not a public hearing is required since a petition has been received. MOTION by Rogers, seconded by Longbella, to acknowledge the petition from Auditor's Sub. #82 regarding parkland and hold it over to the next regularly scheduled meeting. In the meantime the City Attorney will be asked if a public hearing is required. Discussion: Ms. Sonsteby was asked if the $15,000 per lot, which is her selling price, included the assessments. She stated no, the City would have to assume the assessments. She offered to split the $30,000 into two yearly payments after she was told this sum would wipe out the Commission's budget. Motion carried unanimoUSly. GRANT APPLICATIONS Chairman Mand advised professional help will be needed to apply for a grant for the LakeRidge- Andover West park. This subject will be discussed at the Joint meeting between the Park Commission and Council on November 20th as the deadline he thought was February or 1~rch. CEDAR CREST PARK Chairman lfund received a copy of the final grade plan for Cedar Crest park. The end result is a larger than anticipated ponding area within the park. CHAPMAN'S PARK The Public Works Director received a request for a sliding hill in Chapman's Park using fill from the road project. He checked the park and there is an existing high spot at the southeast corner which could be heightened. No one from this area was present - no action taken. NORTHWOODS PARK Steve Nichols reported some of the fill dumped into Northwoods park has been removed but they stopped hauling when they got in front of his house. MOTION by Rogers, seconded by Nichols, to adjourn. Meeting adjourned 9:40 p.m. Resp- fully submitted: ~'d~' C:~44 ae Ellen Bakke Secretary , '\ '0