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PARK CO~fISSION MEETING - APRIL 17, 1980
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The Regularly Scheduled Meeting of the Park Commission was called to order by Chairman Mand
at 7:JJ p.m., Thursday, April 17, 1980, at the Andover City Hall, 1685 Crosstown Blvd. N.W.
Commission Members Present:
Commission Members Absent:
Also Present:
LeFebvre, Longbella, Meyer & Nichols
Anderson & Rogers
Keith Nelson, Good Value Homes Sketch Plan
Jim Merila & Lee Ecklund, Rolling Creek Trails Preliminary Plat
GOOD VALUE SKETCH PLAN
The Commission reviewed the Good Value Sketch Plan located on Bunker and Round Lake Blvds.
abutting the proposed shopping center and Quickstroms. The area to be developed is 48 acres,
101 single family lots (R-4 zoning). Depicted is a 4.2 acre park with two walkways at the
southwest corner. Mr. Keith Nelson informed the Commission the developer was willing to
donate Lots 1, 2, J, 4, Block 7, thereby creating a park totalling approximately 5.J acres.
However, this park is also a holding pond. They plan on installing a 24" drainage pipe under
the shopping center and Round Lake Blvd.; the outlet would be on the property west of the
road. The park would be 90% functional for recreation. After a 100 year storm, the area
would be drained in one day or even hours.
Another reason for placing the park in this location was to separate the shopping center
from the residential area. The walkways to the park are JO ft. wide. Chairman ~fund commented
walkways are a maintenance problem and then informed Mr. Nelson of Quickstrom's park location.
He suggested possibly trading two of the lots in Block 7 for Lots 1 and 2, Block 1 which
would enlarge the existing park. A question arose as to how deep the holding pond would be.
Mr. Nelson stated the maximum would be 4 feet - an average would be 2 feet. Swales would
be constructed which would funnel the water to the storm pipe. During a steady slow rain
there would be no ponding.
Chairman then advised Mr. Nelson of the Council's policy of not accepting ponding areas in
park land dedication and cited Woodland Terrace as an example. Before making a decision, he
would like to see a final grading plan and also find out if the Council would deviate from
this policy. Edna Meyer remarked the people living at the north end would not walk that far
to the park. Bill LeFebvre questioned if a park that large was necessary with the playing
fields at the Baptist Church and Crooked Lake School so close. Gary Longbella felt a tot lot
would be sufficient in the area. He could foresee constant litter in the park caused by the
shopping center. Mr. Nelson thoughta good location for a tot lot would be next to the
shopping center. The park could also be used by the employees. There was general discussion
regarding rearranging street patterns in order to enlarge Quickstrom's park. Chairman Mand
noted most of the lots in Block J were larger than IJ,OOO sq. ft. Mr. Nelson stated this
area was another holding pond. Mathematically it was not possible to rearrange the streets.
Lots 1 and 2, Block 1 and Lots 1 and 2, Block 2, plus the street, was also mentioned, however,
the street was laid out for future expansion to the east. Chairman ~fund advised the City
Attorney informed him expansion of an existing park was not an unreasonable request. Also,
the Commission is unable to ask for a split, land and dedication fees, but a developer can
offer such a split.
c=>n informal poll was then taken. Gary Longbella would like to see a 4.8 acre park in the
northeast corner. Bill LeFebvre, Edna Meyer and Steve Nichols preferred Lots 1 and 2, Block
1, plus cash. Chairman Mand suggested Lots 1 and 2, Block 1, plus a jog in the street to
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enlarge these lots. He also felt the southern ponding area should be fenced in order to
control the litter from the shopping center.
~lr. Nelson was then asked if the developer would be willing to donate cash in lieu of land.
replied he has not been authorized to spend their money. He will relay the Commission's
feelings to the developer and return at a later date. The secretary was asked to check with
the City Attorney regarding park dedication and the proposed shopping center.
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ROLLING CREEK TRAILS PRELIMINARY PLAT
Chairman Mand advised the City Council was not very interested in a trail system and felt
it would be more of a nuisance than anything else - mini bikes, etc. Dave Torkildson, Anoka
County Park Director, stated they are deleting trail systems from the County's park plan mainly
because of funding. Also, Met Council has a pilot project in progress. Once this is done,
the County will evaluate it and then decide whether or not to reinstate their trail systems.
Mr. Merila informed the Commission the developers are willing to donate either land and cash
or strictly cash in lieu of land on this plat. Mr. Ecklund stated they were willing to donate
$740.00 an acre. Chairman Mand advised a recent appraisal had been done 40 acres to the east
for the Hanson Blvd. extension and that the terrain was similar. The figure was an overall
$2,000 an acre for land without easements and $1,000.00 an acre for the property with existing
easements.
The discussion then involved previous plats where low land was taken into consideration when
recommending a dollar amount - specifically Good Ridge Acres and Hawk Ridge East. On the Good
Ridge Acre plat, Mr. Merila quoted Glen Roger's remark that if the entire area was high and
dry, he would recommend $1500 to $2000 an acre. He asked for the same consideration since
16% of this plat is low ground. Chairman Mand stated Glen Roger's comment was his own personal
opinion and that some of this low land are on the creek lots which the developer is unwilling
to donate. Also, the recent plats have been in the northern part of the City where land
values are lower. Mr. Ecklund commented the creek lots were only valuable from an aesthetic
point of view. Chairman Mand stated you can play around with aesthetics; ie., a peat bog
is not as aesthetic as a creek. The gentlemen disagreed with the value of $2,000 an acre for
land in that area and asked who the appraiser was. The City Attorney arranged to have the
appraisal made, the name of this person was unknown to the Commission.
Mr. Merila then asked what the feeling was on the park in the southwest corner. Chairman Mand
said several members of the City Council felt an inaccessible piece of land would be an
unacceptable dedication. Even if the Commission recommended accepting this parcel, the
Council would reject it as park land. He further stated he was in favor of a total cash
settlement if this area remains R-l. The rest of the Commission agreed.
MOTION by Nichols, seconded by Longbella, to recommend the City Council accept $1500.00 an
acre in lieu of land on the Rolling Creek Trail plat if this area remains an R-l zone.
ADDITION TO MOTION: If the area is rezoned enabling it to be platted into smaller lots,
the Commission would recommend full park land, IJ.8 acres, on the west side of the plat,
north side of the creek and south of the originally proposed park off of Andover Blvd.
Motion and Addition to Motion carried unanimously.
Discussion: IJ.8 acres at $1500.00 an acre computes to $20,700.00. Mr. Merila advised the
plat has a future subdivision. If it is rezoned, they would have to start allover-with the
platting process.
Oe went on to state he came up with 16% low land, someone else figured 22% and he felt this
should be taken into consideration when determining a dollar figure. Copies of the real
estate tax statements were then presented to the Commission. $1500.00 was twice as much as
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as the estimated market value. Bill LeFebvre stated he could sell his house for more than
the County's estimated market value and felt this would also hold true with raw land. The
/-;entlemen disagreed stating the County Auditor's Office has to have something to base their
''-.-estimate on and that would be current market values. Chairman Mand commented estimated market
value for tax purposes is always much lower than the current value. Steve Nichols stated
$1500.00 was half way between the appraisal in the same area of $1,000 to $2,000 an acre.
Chairman Mand informed Mr. Merila and Mr. Ecklund it was now up to the City Council to
either agree or disagree with the Commission's recommendation.
Break 9:36 to 9:46 p.m.
LAXERIDGE PARK
Chairman Mand stated he talked to Bob Palmer about burning the area off the cul-de-sac.
Bob told him the fire department could do a controlled burn if there was no peat.
Nine requests were sent for quotes on reshaping the hill - three companies responded.
They were:
1. Burt Kraabel
2. Morrell's Trucking
3. Meiny's Diggers
$2625.00
$3180.00
$3375.00
$3555.00 has been received for this reshaping.
MOTION by Meyer, seconded by LeFebvre, to recommend the City Council hire Burt Kraabel
to reshape the hill in LakeRidge park at a cost not to exceed $2625.00 and that the balance
of $930.00 be spent leveling the park area off the cul-de-sac. Motion carried unanimously.
1980 GRANT APPLICATION - BOAT RAMP
President Carter has frozen all LAWCON funds. If Congress does nothing in 45 days, the funds
will be reinstated. If the City runs short of money, the DNR will aid with funding. They
closed on one property last week, will be closing on another this week. They are still
negotiating with the owners of the third piece of property but these negotiations should be
completed shortly.
1981 BUDGET
Edna Meyer and Gary Longbella volunteered to work on the park needs for 1981.
Chairman Mand informed the Commission there is a Special City Council/Park CommissionjRoad
Committee meeting set for May 13th to review the public works and parks program.
PINE HILLS PARK
Bill LeFebvre advised Don Gilbert is going to haul in dirt (ag lime) into this park to start
getting it in shape for a ball field.
COMPREHENSIVE PARK PLAN
The Commission recognized the need for an update on this plan. Discussion was over who would
do it; there is not enough money in the budget for professional help. Chairman Mand thought
'-~ossibly a university student would be interested. Edna Meyer suggested the Commission make
'-tm attempt to update it. Mentioned was the rezoning issue will have a definite impact on
any revision.
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Chairman Mand advised there is a group in Meadowood who want a canoe access through the large
./~7ark. They are willing to help on this project and have asked to be placed on the May 1st
'-_agenda.
MOTION by LeFebvre, seconded by Mand, to adjourn. Meeting adjourned 10:20 p.m.
R~ctfullY submitted:
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Secretary
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COPIES TO:
Mayor and City Council
P & Z Commission
FROM:
Park Commission
April 22, 1980
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Rolling Creek Trails Preliminary Plat
REFERENCE:
The following motion was made at the April 17, 1980 Park Commission meeting and is for
your consideration:
MOTION by Nichols, seconded by Longbella, to recommend the City Council accept $1500.00
per acre in lieu of land on the Rolling Creek Trails plat if this area remains an R-l
zone.
ADDITION TO MOTION: If the area is rezoned enabling it to be platted into smaller lots,
the Commission would recommend full park land, IJ.8 acres, on the west side of the plat,
north side of the creek, and south of the originally proposed park off of Andover Blvd.
Park dedication fee on this plat computes to $20,700.00 when using the $1500.00 figure.
Motion carried unanimously.
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Wes Mand, Chairman
Park Commission
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TO:
Mayor and City Council
COPIES TO:
City Clerk
FROM:
Park Commission
DATE::
April 25, 1980
REFERENCE:
LakeRidge Park
The following motion was made at the April 17th Park Commission meeting and is for
your consideration:
MOTION by Meyer, seconded by LeFebvre, to recommend the City Council hire Burt Kraabel
to reshape the hill in LakeRidge park at a cost not to exceed $2625.00 and that the
balance of $930.00 be spent leveling the park area off the cul-de-sac. Motion carried
unanimously.
Please refer to the Minutes for details.
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Route 1 Box 49
ST. MICHAEL, MN 55376
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March 17. 1980
NUMBER Ng 3118
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Phone 497-2236
BID City of Andover
Andover Park Commission
PLEASE DETACM AND "'ETURN WIT.... 'fOUR REMITTANCE
3375.00
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CHARGES AND CREDITS
BALANCE FORWARD
BALANCE
Reshaping of hill north of
Round Lake
As per plan to make hill
Conducive for sliding
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MEINY'S DIGGERS. INC.
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