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HomeMy WebLinkAboutFebruary 21, 1980 .. o o 0 ~ 01 ANDOVER o o PARK COMMISSION MEETING - FEBRUARY 21, 1980 MINUTES The Regularly Scheduled Meeting of the Park Commission was called to order by Chairman Mand at 7:40 p.m., February 21, 1980, at the Andover City Hall, 1685 Crosstown Blvd. N.W. Commission Members Present: Commission Members Absent: Also Present: Anderson, LeFebvre, Longbella and Rogers Meyer and Nichols Derril Burger - Andover West sketch plan Esther Olson - Replat of Nightingale Estates 2nd Add. sketch plan Larry Bross - Soderville Athletic Assoc. ANDOVER WEST SKETCH PLAN Derril Burger presented a sketch plan of his proposed development off of 7th Ave. and north of Lund's Round Lake Estates. The total area is 320.16 acres. He is going to submit a preliminary plat for the entire area, however, the development will most likely take place in two or three stages. At this point in time he didn't care if he donated land or money, although he preferred the cash route. Chairman Mand asked what lots were selling for. Mr. Burger replied $15-20,000 (improved). Noted was there were no lot sizes shown on this sketch plan. General discussion involved road locations. Shown on the sketch plan were two narrow walkways to LakeRidge park. Chairman Mand suggested an entire lot would be better. Lot #4 is flat and could be used for a parking lot. ~Ar. Burger stated the entire area is relatively free of trees. The lots abutting LakeRidge Were then dis'cussed. Mr. Burger advised the Commission there was a peat pond about 8 ft. deep on Lots #18 and #19. Gary Longbella suggested Lots #4 and #5. Sharon Anderson felt cash in lieu of land would be the best alternative. Glen Rogers and Bill LeFebvre suggested Lots #5 and #18 due to the road structure which would split up traffic. Mr. Burger stated there are a few minor adjustments to be made on the preliminary plat, one of which is the shortening of the cul- de-sac in the area of Lots #18 and #19. Gary Longbella mentioned if lot lines are moved, Lot #18 might end up as the Pond and felt it would be unwise to enlarge the wildlife area. Chairman Mand commented he would hesitate to recommend to only own half a water hole. Mr. Burger stated he would spot the hole on the preliminary plat. In response to a question, the sale of the land has not yet been recorded at the County. Since this plat is going to be developed in stages, Chairman Mand advised Mr. Burger and the Commission they would have to look for some direction from the Council and the City Attorney. It didn't seem quite right to ask for park dedication and/or fees on the entire 360+ acres. Mr. Burger felt he would develop the southern portion first and might never finish the area abutting LakeRidge. The Commission and ~Ar. Burger agreed this subject definitely needed a legal opinion. The secretary was asked to contact Mr. Hawkins to find out whether park dedication is required on the entire plat, or if land or money could be donated in stages as the land is developed. This item is continued until the next meeting. NIGHTINGALE ESTATES 2ND. ADD. SKETCH PLAN o Mrs. Olson is replatting Nightingale Estates 2nd Add., 8.96 acres, from two lots into three. She plans on building a new home on the middle lot. The sketch plan shows proposed park land on this lot. Some years ago a pond was excavated and, according to Mrs. Olson, residents in the area do use it as "parkland", although she is concerned over the liability. There was some discussion regarding her leasing the area to the City and thereby being covered by City insurance. The April 1, 1975 City Council~~t~~ecked. No park dedication fees were paid on the original plat. The reason for this was not specified; the minutes read "There was a lengthy discussion regarding park fees." Page #2 - MinuteO - February 21, 1980 o o o Chairman Mand explained to Mrs. Olson the maintenance problems with small parks. She understood and commented, from the earlier remark, she got the impression Andover had enough c=) wildlife areas. The Commission agreed to reqommend money in lieu of land. MOTION by Rogers, seconded by Anderson, to recommend, the City Council accept money in lieu of parkland on the Esther Olson plat. Motion carried unanimously. Discussion: Missing from the above motion is a dollar figure. No one knew what the current market value of this land was. Mrs. Olson stated she knew three or four realtors who could give her a price. She then asked when this money had to be paid and was told any time before final plat acceptance by the City Council. SODERVILLE ATHLETIC ASSOCIATION Larry Bross stated by March 6th they should have the schedule ready for this summer's use of the ballfields. He asked if it was possible to get another field in Andover. Several sites were mentioned. Chairman Mand advised Mr. Bross Pine Hills was graded for a ballfield last year. Mr. Bross commented this would be an ideal location. He went on to explain they need more fields farther north. Last year they used 26 fields including City Hall, Lary Carlson's and Gordy Nordeen's in Andover. There are approx. 1250 participants, 300 or 25% are from Andover, 50% are from Ham Lake and the balance are from St. Francis, Oak Grove, etc. Chairman Mand advised Mr. Bross of the budget problems this year with manhours. M~. Bross stated at their meetings, they have a sign up roster for coaches which includes maintenance and they are able to get volunteer help. Permanent vs. temporary backstops were then discussed. It was felt permanent would be the best purchase in the long run, both from a durability standpoint and also they are more difficult to vandalize or disappear. On the subject of cost, Mr. Bross stated he heard a realistic figure was $2,000 to $2,500 but did not know if that included installation. Other expense would be approx. 36 yds. of crushed lime rock at $210.00 and fertilizing and seed if needed. Mr. Bross informed the Commission about 10 to 15 sets of bases disappear each year but this can be controlled by the use of lock boxes. Sandpoints were mentioned but Chairman Mand explained the water table is too low in the Pine Hills area and the City equipment is not capable of going that deep. Mr. Bross then commented the Association is in pretty good financial shape. They might be able to install bleachers at City Hall this summer. There was some discussion regarding the Coon Rapids leagues and how they differ from the Athletic Association's regulations. Mr. Bross and Bill LeFebvre will meet and come up with a recommendation for a backstop at the next meeting. At that time the Commission will be furnished with a copy of the Soderville Athletic Association's budget and a tentative schedule. Depending upon the weather, the season starts around the middle of May. Sharon Anderson thought combination football/soccer goals should be purchased for Fox Meadows. Also she called the Minneapolis Park Board to see if they would sell the boards from their shut down hockey rinks and was informed they would not as they were using them for other purposes. PARK SITE PLANS o Chairman Mand advised the only park site plan the City Council was interested in approving would be City Hall. The Park Commission could approve other site plans. Another attempt will be made to locate the plan done by Midwest. If it is not found, calls will be made to Midwest, TKDA and Bloomquist to see if they might possibly have this plan. Page #3 - MinuteO ~ February 21, 1980 o o o CROOKED LAKE BOAT RAMP ~) Chairman Mand advised the City Council deferred action on this subject until they receive ~-, some word from the Coon Rapids City Council. Glen Rogers obtained a copy of the Coon Rapids Park and Recreation Commission's February 11th minutes wherein they recommend that their City Council support the project. This motion passed unanimously. Chairman Mand stated Del Barber and Mike Markell suggested taking a petition around asking residents not living on the lake if they would or would not support the improvement. He further commented Councilman Jacobson was opposed due to the total project cost. However, he stated the money is there; we all pay taxes, federal, state and local and he felt the Andover residen~ too, should get something back from their tax dollars spent on recreation. If Andover does not attempt to obtain funds to improve their parks, a portion of their taxes will fund facilities in areas such asPensacola, Florida, or Blackduck, Minn. The Commission was in agreement with his statements. 1981 GRANT APPLICATION This subject was discussed but no decision made. Chairman Mand suggested applying for a grant to construct the canoe access in Rum River Forest. No word has been received from the Ramsey Park Commission regarding this access. ANOKA COUNTY ICE ARENA PROPOSAL Glen Rogers thought the Park Commission should recommend to the City Council that the Anoka County officials be notified that Andover does not support this facility in Ramsey. A more centrally located site such as Bunker Hills would serve more people. He didn't feel County money should be spent improving a City park in the northwest part of the County. MOTION by Anderson, seconded by Rogers, to adjourn. Meeting adjourned 10:30 p.m. Re~tfullY submitted: ~;t d~/L ae Ellen Bakke, Secretary .~ - - ~') "-_....""