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HomeMy WebLinkAboutJune 10, 1980 o 0 Call to order Approval of minutes l. 2. Connn . 1fl0-79-3 3. Comm. #6-80-1 4. Comm. It4-80-l 5. Comm. It4- 80- 2 6. Comm. #5-80-4 7. Connn . It5-80-5 8. Comm. It5-80-6 9. Comm. #4-80-7 10. Comm. It4-80-6 o o <J ~ 05 ANDOVER " U REGULAR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING JUNE 10, 1980 7:30 P.M. A. Eckhardt Discussion Menkveld's Green Acres Preliminary Plat Continued Public Hearing Good Value Homes Special Use Permit (Andover Woods) Andover Woods Perliminary Plat Continued Public Hearing Smoke Detector Ordinance Continued Public Hearing Ordinance 8, Sections 4.30 & 8.20 Amendment Public Hearing Jirasek Sketch Plan Jon Thomsen Sketch Plan Flood Plain Ordinance Visual Standards Implementation o o 0 ~ 01 ANDOVER o o REGULAR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING JUNE 10, 1980 MINUTES The Regularly Scheduled Planning and Zoning Commission meeting was called to order by Chairperson d'Arcy Bosell at 7:31 P.M. on Tuesday, June 10, 1980 at the Andover City Hall, 1685 Crosstown Boulevard N.W., Anoka, Minnesota. I_ ~O (,,;. Commissioners Present: Lobb, Anstett, Kishel, Apel Commissioners Absent: None Also Present: Larry Winner, City Engineer; Mark Schumacher, T.K,D.A,; Bob Palmer, City Fire Chief; Lary Carlson and Sylvia Britton; Derril Burger; Jack Menkveld; Alfred Eckhardt; Frank Voth and Keith Nelson; Jim Jirasek; Jon Thomsen and Larry Koshak; Wes Mand, Park Board Chairman; interested residents Approval of Minutes May 27, 1980 MOTION by Kishel, seconded by Lobb to approve the minutes of May 20, 1980 as written. Motion carried unanimously. A. Eckhardt Discussion Alfred Eckhardt, 14649 - 7th Avenue N.W. - Asked if he driveway for a lot he owns that adjoins his property. lies 66 feet of property that is not constructed. The property must abut on a constructed street in order to could get a variance to put in a Between the lot and l47th Avenue ordinance states that your get a building permit. Chairperson Bosell asked Mr. Eckhardt who owns the 66'piece of property. Mr. Eckhardt stated that when Johnson's Oakmount Terrace was platted, the 66 foot piece of land became an outlot. Now he believes it is city owned. Mr. Eckhardt needs to make a formal application for a variance and also needs to find out who owns the 66 foot strip of land. City Staff will check on this. Andover West Preliminary Plat (Comm. #1-80-2) Chairperson Bosell explained that this plat had gone to the City Council with a recommendation from the Planning Commission. The City Council did not approve it at that time. Mr. Burger has met with the Park Board to resolve the park dedication. Derril Burger - Stated that he met with the Park Board last week to present to them his idea of buying the 40 acres southeast of the plat. The Park Board approved of that concept. Mr. Burger wanted to know if the City Council would accept that park land, and if so, which part of the 40 acres would be most desirable to the City. o Chairperson Bosell asked Wes Mand, Chairman of the Park Board, what the Park Board wants. Wes Mand - stated that a good share of the 40 acres is now in corn. The only concern the Park Board has now is that the clay pits might be in one of the lots on the plat. This will be checked by Lyle Bradley when he returns to town in late June. Other than that, the Park Board is satisfied. .. . d r"\ C f \. PLann1ng an Zo, ~ omrr~10n Minutes - June lU, 1980 Page 2 Meeting " ) '-' o ,."", '-) Derril Burger - it was part of the 40 acres. revise the plat. his understanding that the clay pits are in the south central Stated that if the clay pits are in one of the lots he will Chairperson Bosell stated that the Park Board feels the 500 plus foot cul-de-sac would be good for access to the park. She also noted that Blackfoot is now a full street instead of a half street. Mr. Burger noted that a 15 foot walkway has been provided along the east side of Lot 1, Block 7 to LakeRidge P~rk. MOTION by Kishel, Seconded by Apel, that the Andover Planning and Zoning Commission recommend to the City Council approval of the preliminary plat of Andover West as formerly submitted on our recommendation dated April 28, 1980 with the following revisions being added: 1) That the park lands have been added to the plat along with Lots 13 and 14 of block 7; 2) A 15 foot walkway to LakeRidge park being dedicated along the east side of Lot 1, Block 7; 3) Another revision being Blackfoot Street being platted a full 66 feet wide; 4) Another revision being l52nd Circle N.W. being extended, thus requiring a variance for the length of the cul-de-sac. Reasons for approval: 1) The plat has been reviewed previously and recommended for approval and the revised plat has been reviewed by the City Engineer and Park Board receiving their approval; 2) The stipulation being that if the clay pits might be located in Lot 13 or 14 of Block 7, the developer would at the time of platting that specific area take appropriate action to provide the preservation of the historical nature of the sites; 3) In the subsequent development of the area adjoining the drainage ditch easement on the preliminary plat the develop- ment of the ditch will be improved so as to provide adequate drainage. Motion carried unanimously. Menkveld's Green Acres Preliminary Plat Continued Public Hearing (Comm. #10-79-3) Chairperson Bosell reopened the public hearing. Jack Menkveld - Stated that the plat is a revision of one that was started last year. A variance will be required on most of the lots because they are smaller than the required 20,000 square feet. However, lots that size are common in that area. The future subdivision won't be done for a long time. The sanitary sewer is in Heather Street and will be extended to these lots. The Park Board has requested cash in lieu of land for the park dedication. The exact amount has not been determined as yet. The plat has been submitted to the Coon Creek Watershed and the County Highway Department and no comment has been received to date. Mark Schumacher, T.K.D.A. - reviewed his letter regarding the plat. All of the items listed in his letter of February 11, 1980 still apply to the plat. In addition to those items, the following apply to the plat: 1) Lots 1-4 and 7-12 will require variances as they do not meet the required 20,000 square feet; 2) The frontage along the setback line on Lots 5, 6, and 7 should be revised to show what the frontage actually is; 3) The possible future subdivision does not comply with the ordinance requirement for platting all of the owner's contiguous property; 4) Lot 11 has frontage on Heather Street of 65 feet. If the frontage is considered to be on l4lst Avenue, the 65 feet is then less than the minimum depth of 150 feet; 5) The total length of street needs to be shown; 6) The front building setback in an R-3 is 35 feet instead of 30 feet; 7) The entrance radii to the cul-de-sac should be indicated as 20 feet. ,:] Jack Menkveld - stated that the revised drawing indicates the street length as 500 feet; the street name has been changed to Court; the frontages on Lots 5, 6, and 7 have been changed. He would be asking for variances on the other items. He noted that Lots 5 and 1. d () (J. . P ann~ng an Zon~ng Comm1ss~on Meet~ng Minutes - June 10, 1980 Page 3 ( ) \.... o \ ~' 7 have 100 feet of frontage and Lots 4 and 6 have 131 feet. Lot 11 has plenty of space to build a house on. Chairperson Bosell stated that Lot 11 would require a variance. Mr. Menkveld stated they would ask for one. Also mentioned was the fact that all of the owner's contiguous property must be platted and Mr. Menkveld stated he would ask for a variance on that. Discussion centered on the size of the lots, since most of them don't meet the 20,000 square foot requirement. Mr. Menkveld stated that if the pro~rty was rezoned to R-4, the lots would meet the requirements. Chairperson Bosell noted that the average lot size in Green Acres is 18,000 square feet. Commissioner Anstett stated that the people in the surrounding area would prefer an R-3 size. Commissioner Kishel noted that an R-3 size lot in a sewered area is not economical planning. Mark Schumacher stated that it has been the testimony of the residents in that area that they would like this area platted close to the existing lot sizes. The question of extending the street instead of having a cul-de-sac was discussed. Mark Schumacher stated that if the cul-de-sac is left in and the future subdivision is platted, we could have two cul-de-sacs coming in toward each other. That would not improve street circulation in that area. The following items were noted as items that need to be resolved: 1) The road length needs to be shown on the side of the plat; 2) A variance would be required on Lot 11 because of the frontage; 3) Variances would be required on all but lots 5 and 6 because of their size; 4) Any soil correction should be shown on the plat in a shaded fashion (Lots 5 and 6); 5) The plat should be labelled as Block 1. Wes Mand, Park Board Chairman - stated the Park Board is recommending cash in lieu of land as park dedication. Commissioner Kishel asked Mr. Menkveld if he could provide an easement along Lots 5 and 6 to the east. Chairperson Bosell stated that the city is requiring that every street that is going to be developed needs to be constructed. They are not allowing easements; the streets have to be constructed. Commissioner Anstett was still troubled by the lot sizes. Stated she is very hesitant about approving this as an R-3 size plat. Commissioner Lobb noted that he does not like the cul-de-sac or the possible future subdivision. He felt that l4lst Court should go all the way through. This will go to the City Council on June 17th for discussion so the developer knows what he should do. (Recess 8:50 - Reconvene 9:05) Good Value Homes Special Use Permit Public Hearing (Comm. #6-80-1) Chairperson Bosell opened the public hearing. ,r, \....-J Frank Voth, Good Value Homes - The Northglen on the perimeteyof the Rademacher commercial each side which will be individually owned. (aka Andover Woods) plat indicates the lots area as being used to construct twin homes, The Special Use Permit is being requested Planning and zo~~2g commC:~ion Minutes - June 10, 1980 Page 4 Meeting - "\ V o '~\ \J for those twin homes. A party wall agreement will be entered into by both owners containing such things as maintenance, insurance, etc. He stated that the agreement they are proposing has been approved by FHA and the Veterans' Administration. Mr. Voth presented a picture to the Commission showing what one of the twin homes will look like. Chairperson Bosell explained that the Special Use Permit would be required because of the side yard setback. Chairperson Bosell stated that according to our ottdinance this would fall under the Planned Unit Development classification. Discussion was on whether Mr. Voth needs to submit a detailed site plan showing green areas, parking areas, etc. Mr. Voth stated that the ordinance says that this information may be required. However, he felt that they are not going the full route of a Planned Unit Development. Wes Mand, 3457 - l4lst Lane N.W. - asked what the floor space of each unit will be. Mr. Voth stated they will be in excess of 1000 square feet on the main floor. MOTION by Lobb, Seconded by Anstett to close the public hearing. Motion carried unanimously. MOTION by Apel, seconded by Anstett that the Andover Planning and Zoning Commission recommend to the City Council approval of a Special Use Permit for Good Value Homes to construct twin home buildings with zero lot lines on the following properties located in the plat known as Northglen: Lots 1-8 and Lot 24 of Block 4; Lots 1-5 of Block 5; Lot 1 and Lots 8-13 of Block 6, for the following reasons: 1) The Special Use Permit is being requested for approval as a PUD and this PUD will conform to the provisions of the zoning ordinance; 2) A public hearing was held. No opposition was met as to the intent of the Special Use Permit; 3) The proposed use is not detrimental to the health, safety and welfare of the general public or the residents of the City of Andover; 4) The development is consistent with the Comprehensive Plan and meets the basic intent and application of the ordinances of the City of Andover; 5) Good Value Homes will work with the City Attorney to draw up a party wall agreement and any other details necessary for the PUD; 6) The Special Use Permit applies to a part of a plat. Approval of the Special Use Permit is contingent upon approval of the plat known as Northglen (aka Andover Woods). Motion carried unanimously. Andover Woods Preliminary Plat Continued Public Hearing (Comm. #4-80-1) Chairperson Bosell reopened the public hearing. She noted that the name of the plat has been changed to Northglen. A letter has been received from the fee owners noting their consent. The restrictive covenants need to be received by the City Council when the plat goes to them for approval. Mark Schumacher, T.K.D.A. - reviewed his letter regarding the plat. Keith Nelson provided Mark with a revised copy of the plat reflecting the changes noted in Mark's letter. ~) Chairperson Bosell noted that Lot 8, Block 4 is twice the size of the average lot and the letters of approval from the Coon Creek Watershed and the County Highway Department are the only items outstanding. Commissioner Kishel stated that the plat does not indicate the owner of the property by the park in the northern part of the plat. Mr. Voth stated that it belongs to George Adolphson. Planning Minutes Page 5 (j (} . and Zon~ng Comm~ss~on Meet~ng - June 10, 1980 () o /.~ Wes Mand, Park Board Chairman - stated they reviewed this plat at their last meeting and \~ they recommend the park as shown on the plat plus Lots 1 and 2 of Block 2 with any deficit being paid in cash at the rate of $4,000.00 per acre. They are not taking the full 10 percent because the City Council wants to preserve some of the land for a well house (Lot 20, Block 6). MOTION by Anstett, seconded by Lobb to close the public hearing. Motion carried unanimously. MOTION by Apel, seconded by Kishel, that the Andover Planning and Zoning Commission recommend to the City Council approval of the preliminary plat known as Andover Woods (aka Northglen) legally described as: The Northwest Quarter of the Northeast Quarter, EXCEPT the west 330 feet thereof, Section 32, Township 32, Range 24, Anoka County, Minnesota; The Southwest Quarter of the Northeast Quarter, Section 32, Township 32, Range 24, Anoka County, Minnesota, EXCEPT the following three parcels of land: 1) The west 330 feet of the Southwest Quarter of the Northeast Quarter of Section 32, Township 32, Range 24, Anoka County, Minnesota; 2) The east 195 feet of the west 525 feet of the south 835 feet of the Southwest Quarter of the Northeast Quarter of Section 32, Township 32, Range 24, Anoka County, Minnesota; 3) The south 408 feet of the Southwest Quarter of the Northeast Quarter lying east of the west 525 feet thereof, Section 32, Township 32, Range 24, Anoka County, Minnesota. Containing 48.18 acres, more or less, for the following reasons: 1) The plat has been reviewed by the engineering firm of T.K.D.A. and they recommend approval; 2) A letter of approval has been received from the Anoka County Highway Department; 3) A public hearing was held. There was no opposition as to the intent of the plat; 4) The plat is consistent with the Comprehensive Plan and meets the application and intent of the ordinances of the City of Andover; 5) The plat would require the following changes: a) Lots 1 and 2 of Block 2 should be included in the park area; b) Lot 6 of Block 4 should have the lot front dimension at the setback indicated because the front of the lot is less than the required 85 feet; c) Approval from the Coon Creek Watershed is required; d) Copies of the restrictive covenants should be included with the plat when presented to the City Council; e) l38th Avenue N.W. should be changed to Court; 6) Lot 8 of Block 5 would require a variance as it is more than twice the size of the average lot; 7) The Park Board has reviewed the plat and indicated their approval of the 3.4 acre park plus Lots 1 and 2 in the northeast corner of the plat and that whatever shortage be cash in lieu of land based on $4,000 per acre; 8) Lot 20 of Block 6 is proposed for ponding arid municipal water facilities; 9) Approval of this plat is contingent 4pon this particular piece of property being rezoned to R-4. Motion carried unanimously. This will go to the City Council on June 17, 1980. Smoke Detector Ordinance (Comm. #4-80-2) Chairperson Bosell reopened the public hearing. Bob Palmer, Andover Fire Chief - noted that the only change in the revised copy of the ordinance is that single family dwellings have been deleted. In talking with the City Attorney, they felt that single family dwellings should be taken out because of the difficulty of enforcement. o Jerry Johnson, 2738 - l39th Lane N.W. - stated that at the last meeting there was a question of insurability. Asked if that was just for single family dwellings, and also asked if a person rents a double bungalow is it the landlord's responsibility to see that the smoke detectors are in working order. Bob Palmer - Stated that the insurability question would pertain to single family dwellings as the renter insures only the contents, not the building. pianning and zor~ comn~ion Meeting Minutes - June 10, 1980 Page 6 () o Chairperson Bosell noted that if a landlord does not comply within 60 days after the /.) adoption of this ordinance he will be guilty of a misdemeanor. '-.../ MOTION by Kishel, seconded by Lobb to close the public hearing. Motion carried unanimously. MOTION by Anstett, seconded by Kishel that the Andover Planning and Zoning Commission recommend to the City Council approval of the smoke detector ordinance as shown on the attached copy dated 6/10/80 for the following reasons: 1) A public hearing was held. There was no opposition as to the intent of the ordinance; 2) The ordinance would put us in compliance with State regulations; 3) It would be consistent with our planning for the safety and welfare of the community. Motion carried unanimously. This will go to the City Council on July 1, 1980. Ordinance 8. Sections 4.30 and 8.20 Public Hearing (Comm. #5-80-4) Chairperson Bosell opened the public hearing. She explained that the public water portion of the amendment would apply specifically to the southwest area of the city at the present time. Renee Fearon, a resident who would like to open a beauty shop in her home, was asked if she had obtained copies of other cities' ordinances. Renee Fearon. 13945 Nightingale Street N.W. - stated she had only talked on the telephone with other cities. They have different stipulations on their Special Use Permits. There are also state requirements that must be met such as wiring, plumbing, etc. Commissioner Anstett asked if it is a legitimate thing to ask for sanitary sewer in order to have a beauty shop in the home. Chairperson Bosell stated that Oak Grove has a few home beauty shops and they don't have sanitary sewer. George Lobb. 14410 Quinn Street N,W. - felt that if beauty shops are allowed in a home, barber shops should also be included. There should be something in the ordinance stipulating the hours of operation. Stated that if the property has a functional sewer system, sanitary sewer would not be needed. It was his feeling that the hours of operation were the main item of concern. Alvin Fearon. 13945 Nightingale St. N,W. - stated that there is no other place in Andover to get a haircut. A beauty shop in a home would be more beneficial to the community then detrimental. As for the hours, most beauticians would not be up in the middle of the night fixing someone's hair. Has nothing against barber shops being included in the ot:dinance. Jerry Johnson. 2738 - l39th Lane N.W. - stated that he and his wife have been operating a beauty shop for 10 or 12 years in Blaine without Sanitary Sewer. He doesn't feel it should be a requirement for a Special Use Permit. Felt the hours of operation should be included in the ordinance. Chairperson Bosell asked if the state requires a certain size septic system. Jerry Johnson stated that the state doesn't have anything in their regulations regarding septic systems, it's just local ordinances. (~ Commissioner Apel noted that he has no objections to beauty shops and barber shops in the home. Commissioner Anstett felt that the city should set up a system to inspect septic systems on small lots if the property is used as a beauty shop. pianning and ZOI~ comn~ion Meeting Minutes - June 10, 1980 Page 7 o o 1"' '\ '-../ Chairperson Bosell noted that if a person goes through all of the trouble and expense of setting up a beauty shop, their septic system will be adequate. Commissioner Kishel felt the ordinance should be adopted as it now reads. Commissioner Apel felt it should also be adopted as written but add after beauty shops, ''by Special Use Permit only". Regarding Section 6.04, the Commission has received a recommendation from City Hall that where city water is available, it must be utilized. Mark Schumacher stated the City Council has established a water service boundary. The initial available area is in the southwest corner of the city. Section 7.03 - would include beauty shops as requiring a Special Use Permit. Section 8.20 - The ordinance now reads that farm buildings can have galvanized or ~ J unpainted aluminum. The City Council has recommended that agri-buildings not be ~~~it~9-/ from this. ~ MOTION by Kishel, seconded by Anstett to close the public hearing. Motion carried unanimously. MOTION by Apel, seconded by Anstett that the Andover Planning and Zoning Commission recommend to the City Council approval of the ordinance amending Ordinance 8 as shown on the attached copy for the following reasons: 1) A public hearing was held. There was some opposition but the majority were in favor; 2) It is consistent with upholding the health, safety, welfare and morals of the residents of the City of Andover; 3) It would not have an adverse effect on the intent and spirit of the Comprehensive Plan. Vote on motion: Section 4.30 - Lobb, abstain; Kishel, yes; Apel, yes; Bosell, yes; Anstett, yes. Section 7.03 - Lobb, abstain; Kishel, yes; Apel, yes; Bosell, yes; Anstett, yes. Sections 6.04 and 8.20 - Lobb, yes; Kishel, yes; Apel, yes; Bosell, yes; Anstett, yes. Motion carried. This will go to the City Council on July 1, 1980. Jirasek Sketch plan (Comm. #5-80-5) Jim Jirasek, 13563 Crooked Lake Boulevard - has a large lot which he would like to plat into six lots including the lot his home is on. All of the lots would be served by sanitary sewer. Chairperson Bosell asked what the zoning of the property is. Mr. Jirasek stated that it's presently R-4. Chairperson Bosell noted that the lots meet the frontage and depth requirements. Mr. Jirasek will have to submit his plat to the Coon Creek Watershed and the County Highway Department. This will be continued when Mr. Jirasek returns with a preliminary plat. Jon Thomsen Sketch Plan (Comm. #5-80-6) Larry Koshak, Hakanson Anderson Associates - stated that Mr. Thomsen has 6.6 acres bounded by l44th Avenue, Auditor's Subdivision 82, Round Lake and Round Lake Boulevard. :) He is proposing a multiple use of the property, with 8 unit apartment buildings. There , would be 64 two bedroom units. The property is located in the proposed sanitary sewer area. There is a pond on the property that will be relocated to another location, and some filling will be required. The property would require rezoning to M-2. O . Planning and Zon\ comm~'lon Meeting Minutes - June 10, 1980 Page 8 u o Commissioner Kishel asked if these would be slab homes and how many stories they would , \ be. Mr. Koshak stated they would be slab homes because of the flood plain and the ,__J water table. The units would each be two stories. Chairperson Bosell mentioned that our ordinance requires that multiples be served by public water. Mr. Koshak stated that this could be served with a central water system. MS. Bosell also stated that this plat would have to be submitted to the Department of Natural Resources. Commissioner Kishel felt that this type of plat might be a little overdeveloped for that area. Looking at the houses south and west of the development, there are some nice homes in that area. Felt there might be some opposition. Jon Thomsen, 3526 Aldrich, Anoka area and received no opposition. stated that he talked to some of the people in the Commissioner Lobb felt that this type of development would be quite unique in that area. It would give us a position later on for mass transit. An informational hearing will be held on Mr. Thomsen's sketch plan at the regular meeting on June 24, 1980. Hawk Ridge East (Comm. #3-80-1) Chairperson Bosell explained that this was for approval from the Planning Commission. Commission because of the traffic flow. sent to the City Council with a recommendation The City Council sent it back to the Planning Lary Carlson, 433 Jackson Street, Anoka - the City Council recommended he extend l80th instead of showing it as an easement. They also want the two cul-de-sacs connected if it is not too costly. Discussion centered on whether or not Mr. Carlson should connect the cul-de-sacs. Commissioner Apel stated there are good arguments for and against cul-de-sacs; however, making Mr. Carlson connect these two cul-de-sacs is asinine. Commissioner Kishel agreed with Commissioner Apel. The concensus of the Commission was that they are in agreement with the recommendation they previously sent to the City Council. MOTION by Apel, seconded by Kishel that the Andover Planning and Zoning Commission recommend to the City Council that the Hawk Ridge East preliminary plat submitted May 1, 1980 be approved with the following changes: 1) Lot 8, Block 3 should be shaded in the appropriate area to indicate land correction to the proper elevation; 2) A letter from T.K.D.A. was given to the Commission and discussed at the meeting; 3) The asthetics of cul-de-sacs in a rural area have considerable value. Through-flow of traffic should be considered although the cul-de-sacs are more appropriate in a rural area for safety reasons for small children; 4) Conservation of wetland area is in keeping with the Comprehensive Plan. Motion carried unanimously. This will go to the City Council on June 17, 1980. Flood Plain Ordinance (Comm. #4-80-7) / \ This will be continued to June 24, 1980. , ~) Planning and Z01:--2 Cornr~ion Meeting Minutes - June 10. 1980 Page 9 o "' LJ \...~I ,-, Visual Standards Implementation (Comm. #4-80-6) ( \ ,_I This will be continued to June 24. 1980. MarION by Lobb. seccnded by Ape1 to adjourn the meeting. Motion carried unanimously. Meeting adjourned at 12:10 a.m. Respectfully submitted. u~ Vicki Vo1k Recording Secretary