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Call to order
Approval of Minutes
1. Conm. 114-80-1
2. Comm. 1/4- 80- 2
3. Conm. 119-79-5
4. Corrnn. 114-80-7
5. Comm. 115-80-4
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REGULAR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING
MAY 27, 1980
7:30 P. M.
Andover Woods preliminary Plat Public Hearing
Smoke Detector Ordinance Public Hearing
Rezoning/Metropolitan Urban Service Area Public Hearing
Flood Plain Ordinance
Ordinance 8, Sections 4.30 and 8.20 Amendment
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REGULAR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING
MAY 27, 1980
MINUTES
The regularly scheduled Andover Planning and Zoning Commission meeting was called to order
by Chairperson d'Arcy Bosell at 7:31 P.M. on Tuesday, May 27, 1980 at the Andover City Hall,
1685 Crosstown Boulevard N.W., Anoka, Minnesota. ''') ,rUe/L/ 0
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Commissioners Present:
Kishel, Apel, Anstett, Lobb
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Commissioners Absent:
Also Present:
Mark Schumacher, T.K.D.A.; Frank Voth and Keith Nelson; Rich
Lindeen, City Fire Marshal; Renee Fearon; interested residents.
Approval of Minutes
May 13, 1980
MOTION by Lobb, seconded by Apel that the minutes of May 13, 1980 be approved as written.
Motion carried unanimously.
May 20. 1980
MOTION by Kishel, seconded by Lobb that the minutes of May 20, 1980 be approved as written.
Motion carried unanimously.
Andover Woods Preliminary Plat Public Hearing (Comm. 114-80-1)
Chairperson Bosell opened the Public Hearing.
Frank Voth, Good Value Homes - Went over several items in the engineer's letter. Stated
that they would like to see all of the land possible used for park whenever it can be used
for park. There is an area in the southern part of the plat which is noted as park which
will have to be used and which contains a drainage easement. There is also an area on the
northeast corner of the plat designated as park which would tie in with Quickstrom's park.
If there is a deficit, they are willing to pay the balance in cash. He was not aware that this
plat has to be submitted to the Coon Creek Watershed and asked if that was really necessary.
Chairperson Bosell commented that the plat is in the Coon Creek Watershed District and must
be submitted to them for review.
Mark Schumacher, T.K.D.A., reviewed his letter regarding the plat. He noted that the soil
borings have been received and he will review them.
Chairperson Bosell stated that our ordinance says that two plats cannot have similar names
or names that could be confused with any existing plats. She noted that we have a plat
known as Andover West which could be easily confused with Andover Woods. Mr. Voth stated
that R6llie Anderson will check on this matter.
Chairperson Bosell noted that if Good Value Homes is not the fee owner, a letter of consent
~ust be received from the fee owner. She asked if there would be any restrictive covenants
~n the property and if so, City Hall needs a copy of them. Mr. Voth stated there would be
covenants.
Also noted was that there is no access from this plat to either County Road 9 or Bunker Lake
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Boulevard. Chairperson Bosell asked if Quay Street would be extended to Bunker as it is
not shown on the plat. Keith Nelson said it will be extended. Due to an oversight it is
- not shown.
~Chairperson Bosell noted that this plat needs to go before the Park Board for their review.
The next Park Board meeting will be on June 5, 1980.
Wes Mand, 3547 - l4lst Lane N.W. - asked what type of housing would be in the plat. Mr.
Voth stated that the lots that abutt the commercial area will be twin homes with individual
ownership. They will be sold for owner occupied housing, not for rental purposes.
Wes Mand - asked if there would be any restrictions on a person buying both halves and
renting one side. Mr. Voth stated there would not be any; however, they are not in the
rental business.
Wayne Anderson, 1018 Main Street N.E., representing Rademacher & Associates _ commented
that if Mr. Rademacher is successful in getting his plat through, he would provide the
easements necessary for Mr. Voth's plat.
This will be continued to June 10, 1980.
Smoke Detector Ordinance (Comm. 114-80-2)
Chairperson Bosell opened the public hearing.
Rich Lindeen. 2439 - l38th Avenue N.W., City Fire Marshal - stated the reason for this
ordinance is mainly for any rental property in the city to have wired-in smoke detectors in
each unit. At the present time only battery operated detectors are required and most of
the time the batteries are removed for other uses. The Fire Department would also like to
see at least a battery operated smoke detector in each residence in the city.
Chairperson Bosell asked how this ordinance could be enforced for private homes. Mr. Lindeen
said enforcement would be difficult as they do not have the authority to go into private
homes to check for smoke detectors.
Mr. Lindeen was asked what the consequences would be if someone did not comply with the
ordinance. He stated they would be guilty of a misdemeanor.
Discussion was on how an ordinance of this nature would affect homeowner's insurance, an
example being if a house burns and there are no smoke detectors would the insurance company
have to pay? Mr. Lindeen will check on this.
Commissioner Anstett asked if there are sleeping rooms on two levels of a house would smoke
detectors have to be installed on both levels. Mr. Lindeen stated they would have to be.
Commissioner Kishel felt that the battery operated detectors would be better than wired-in
detectors.
Commissioner Lobb also felt that the battery operated detectors are better if there was a
type where the batteries could not be removed. He also noted that there is quite an expense
in wiring them in and that the enforcement is what we have trouble with.
Chairperson Bosell commented that she spoke with the Columbia Heights Fire Chief regarding
~-smoke detector ordinances. Their city had a hard time coming up with an ordinance that
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Wes Mand - agreed with the Fire Marshal that the smoke detectors should be permanently wired.
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Chairperson Bosell asked the Fire Marshal what the Fire Department will do to make the
~-oublic aware of this ordinance, if adopted. Mr. Lindeen stated that the public could be
~nformed when the firefighters are selling raffle tickets, it could be mentioned some way
during the Andover Fun Days. However, word of mouth would be the best method.
This item will be continued to June 10, 1980.
Rezoning/Urban Service Area Public Hearing (Comm. 119-79-5)
Chairperson Bosell opened the public hearing. She then stated that the map published in the
Anoka paper contained an area marked '~SA Search Area". When the city was looking at
where it could increase the Metropolitan Urban Service Area boundaries, it was the concensus
of the City Council and the Planning and Zoning Commission to try to include the City Hall
site. The landowners in that area were contacted to see what they thought about being
included in the Urban Service Area. It was almost unanimous that they did not want to be
included and they did not want sanitary sewer. The MUSA Search Area is not being considered
for sanitary sewer at all.
Walter Laptuta, 15026 Crosstown Boulevard N.W. - objects to being in the Urban Service Area
as he feels there is no need to bring the sewer up Crosstown Boulevard.
Chairperson Bosell asked Mr. Laptuta
Urban Service Area that he would get
boundary should be moved elsewhere.
not mean the sewer will be coming in
if he was assuming that if his area is in the Metropolitan
sanitary sewer. Mr. Laptuta replied that the MUSA
Chairperson Bosell explained that being in the MUSA does
right away.
Don Eveland, 14744 Crosstown Boulevard N.W. - is opposed to being in the Urban Service Area.
Asked if after tonight the MUSA Search Area will be left open or will it be dropped. Chair-
person Bose11 stated that all of the landowners are against it so it will be taken out.
Mr. Eveland asked where the city would lose the area that is being added to the MUSA.
Mark Schumacher explained that it would be taken from north of Coon Creek and the General
Recreational area (landfill) and possibly the bottom 40 acres of Lund's Evergreen Estates.
He also stated that the city is not in a position at the present time to bring the sewer
up to City Hall. The Urban Service Area is controlled by the Metropolitan Waste Control
Commission and the city cannot just say they're going to add a couple of hundred acres to
the Urban Service Area without taking that much land out of the Urban Service Area.
Chairperson Bosell stated that within the dotted line on the map there is a lot of property
zoned for 2~ acre lots. Presently our sewered size lot is 85'xI30'. This is an adequate
size when sewer comes through. People are afraid that if their property is zoned R-4 they
will get sanitary sewer immediately. This is not the case. It only sets aside land for
smaller lot sizes for economical reasons.
At this time, Chairperson Bosell introduced Steve Ryan of Northwest Associated Consultants,
who are preparing a Comprehensive Plan for the city. Mr. Ryan will be available during the
meeting to answer any questions.
Mark Schumacher, T.K.D.A., gave some background information on sanitary sewer and the
Metropolitan Urban Service Area. He stated that the city has two areas, a rural service
area and an urban service area. At the present time, the city has sewer capacity through
the Coon Rapids Interceptor. The Metropolitan Council and the Metropolitan Waste Control
.' -~ommission are proposing a second outlet for the city through the CAB Interceptor. The
~lity Council established a line that runs along the west edge of Auditor's Subdivision No.
82 as being the limit of which area can be served by the Coon Rapids interceptor.
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Diane Doolittle, 4301 - l44th Lane N.W., - lives in Meadowood. Stated they are still in the
, -Urban Service Area although they had presented a petition from the residents of Meadowood
~ktating they did not want sanitary sewer.
Mark Schumacher explained that the city has been granted a certain capacity in the CAB
and they don't want to jeopardize that capacity by reducing the area that it's going to
serve. Once we have the capacity, we don't have to use all of it.
Diane Doolittle
the density to 55
figure only as an
density.
stated that at a previous meeting the engineer said the city has to raise
persons per acre. Mr. Schumacher explained that the engineer used that
example of what the city might do. The city will not rezone to that
Chairperson Bosell commented that the property under contention as a mobile home park shall
be identified on the map as a mobile home park, Special Use Permit issued by the Minnesota
Supreme Court. It's presently zoned R-l.
Karen Ames, 4310 -144th Lane N.W. - asked if the Coon Rapids Interceptor has always been
where it's shown on the map. Mark Schumacher stated that in the Comprehensive Sewer
Development Plan anything west of Round Lake is shown as being served by the CAB Interceptor.
Peter Rauen, 4110 - l47th Lane N.W. - stated that the Comprehensive Plan constantly brings
up the rural aspects of the city. "There is a considerable variation of the land use
between the Comprehensive Plan and what you're doing tonight." Also commented that the
sewer capacity is dictating zoning the residents don't want. Questioned whether the
property zoned NB and M-2 along 7th Avenue could be rezoned as there is another NB not
far from there.
Chairperson Bose1l stated that those are present zonings, not proposals. The original
proposal showed those properties as being deleted, but the City Council felt they should be
left as they are.
Steve Ryan - noted that one of the things pointed out was about the sewer being extended.
Rather than trying to remove choice property, one of the things the city is trying to do
is to protect choice areas. In the urban area the city is trying to form a mechanism by
which the sewer can be installed in the future if there is a need and desire for it.
Karen Ames - asked if the planner has anything to do with those people who live in areas
with no parks, no schools, etc. Mr. Ryan said he does not, the City Council and Planning
Commission do that.
Discussion was on the trailer court area. Chairperson Bosell noted that a decision has been
handed down from the Minnesota Supreme Court stating that when sewer and water become
available, the developer can proceed with the trailer park.
Diane Doolittle -asked if the City Council can revoke the Special Use Permit. Chairperson
Bosell stated they could not.
Karen Ames - questioned the density in the trailer park. Chairperson Bosell stated that
we have an ordinance which governs trailer parks.
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Taking the map, Chairperson Bosell commented that Johnson's
Addition are now zoned R-2 and R-3 and will stay the same.
R-2. Lund's Round Lake Estates is R-l and will remain R-l.
Oakmount Terrace and Dehn's
Meadowood is R-2 and will stay
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· To the east across the Coon Rapids Interceptor line, Auditor's Subdivision No. 82 is
presently zoned R-3 and will stay R-3.
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Going south, the next property is presently zoned R-l.
to R-4.
This is proposed to be rezoned
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Peter Rauen
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- asked if doubles were allowed in an R-4 area.
Permit.
He was told they are with a
Lyle McLaughlin, 3155 Bunker Lake Boulevard - asked if the city has a rule that you can
only have so many doubles in an area. Chairperson Bosell said no; however, on the plat
you have to show which lots will have doubles on them.
Mark Schumacher stated that the city has a handle on someone turning an R-4 area into a
multiple area.
· Continuing with the rezoning, the next property south of the above mentioned area is
presently zoned M-2 (R-5). The Conmission is recommending changing this to R-4.
· The next property south is also proposed to be R-4. It is presently R-l but the lots
are not R-l size lots.
· The corner is zoned Neighborhood Business. The Commission cannot change this back to
residential zoning unless it is not developed as NB within two years.
· Going over one 40 to the east (corner of County Road 9 and Bunker) and one 40 to the
north, it is the reconmendation of the Commission with a request by the owner, to
rezone the westerly 10 acres as Neighborhood Business. That area is not suitable for
single family homes and will act as a buffer to the proposed Andover Woods Plat. The
largest area shown as Shopping Center has already been rezoned. The smaller piece to
the east along Bunker Lake Boulevard will be rezoned to Shopping Center.
Wes Mand - asked what types of businesses will be included in the shopping center. Wayne
Anderson, Wm. C. Rademacher & Associates commented that the smaller piece is 3.54 acres.
The northern end will be some type of office; from there down there will be convenience
type shopping, then a restaurant and a banking facility; then it will move into a community
type shopping center.
· Starting at Quickstrom,',s Addition, the properties going north on Round Lake Boulevard
are presently zoned R-4 and will remain R-4.
· Going east, the property north of South Coon Creek Drive was not marked with any zoning
on the published map. It's feasible that those two 40's should be included in the R-4
district.
· South of South Coon Creek Drive, all of the 40's down to Bunker Lake Boulevard are now
zoned R-l. There are proposed to be R-4.
· Across Bunker Lake Boulevard, the Neighborhood Business is a present zoning.
· Some of Chapman's Additions are R-4 and parts are R-l. These will all be rezoned to R-4.
· Weise's Addition will be rezoned to Planned Unit Development (PUD).
Rosemary Kirkevold, 13311 Round Lake Boulevard - owns a five acre piece in Weise's Addition.
'Asked what rezoning to PUD does to them. Chairperson Bosell stated they could develop it
~s doubles or into 85'x130' lots. Mrs. Kirkevold asked if a business could be put in there.
Chairperson Bosell explained she would have to apply for a rezoning.
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The area east of Weise's and Chapman's shown as PUD/R-4 has already gone through the
platting process. The owner is waiting for sanitary sewer and possibly a water system
being installed.
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· The next property to the east is the Assembly of God church which is zoned R-l. This
will be rezoned to R-4.
· To the north of the church property those properties are now zoned for 2\ acre lots.
These will be rezoned to R-4.
· Going north, the property up to South Coon Creek Drive will be rezoned to R-4.
· South of South Coon Creek Drive and north of Green Acres, the property is presently R-l.
This will be rezoned to R-4.
· The property below Green Acres will be rezoned from R-I to R-4.
· Going South of Bunker Lake Boulevard around Crooked Lake, that property is now R-4 and
will remain R-4.
· The Neighborhood Business on l33rd Lane will remain.
· Green Acres is presently zoned R-1 with the exception of one part that is R-3. The
entire piece will be rezoned to R-3 to make it compatible with the size lots that are
there.
Jack Menkveld - didn't feel R-3 is correct because the majority of the lots are smaller
than R-3 size.
· The property north of Green Acres is presently R-l. This will be rezoned to R-4.
Jack Menkveld -asked if the corner of Crosstown Boulevard and Bunker Lake Boulevard is
zoned NB. (Yes). Asked if the M-l and M-2 east on Bunker are proposed to stay the same. (Yes)
Chairperson Bosell stated that on Bunker Lake Boulevard and Xavis Street there are two big
parcels that could be rezoned to multiple. With the exception of those two parcels, there
are multiples in that area.
Recess 9:55 - Reconvene 10:12
Discussion continued on the property east of the NB on Bunker Lake Boulevard.
several single family dwellings on those parcels and the rest are multiples.
also be zoned multiple.
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· Northwoods Addition is presently zoned R-4 and will remain R-4.
· Agricultural district - at the present time we do not have an agricultural designation
in our ordinance. A description for AG will have to be included when this goes to
the City Council. The two 40's shown as AG on the map will remain AG.
· Going north of the AG land there are two 40's zoned R-l. It is proposed to change these
to R-4.
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Directly south of Bunker Lake Boulevard there is an area marked R-4 or PUD or Gr. To
the east of that is GI. The original request was for R-4 or PUD. The owner, Good
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Value Homes, asked about GI or LI or something other than multiple. This area includes
3~ - 40's. It was decided this should be zoned PUD.
To the west of the above property, the parcels west of the creek are zoned R-4. The
property east of the creek should also be R-4.
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The GI area will be left as is.
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The M-l and M-2 above Bunker Lake Boulevard will remain.
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Red Oaks Manor will remain R-4.
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Going north of Red Oaks, that property will go to R-4.
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Shady Knoll will remain R-4.
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Crossing South Coon Creek Drive to the north the entire 40 will be R-4.
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The 40 to the west of the bottom of Lund's Evergreen Estates will be rezoned to R-4.
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The General Recreational area (landfill) will remain as such.
Jerry Johnson - asked if it was true there are toxic wastes buried at the landfill.
person Bosell stated it is true and explained the Hazardous Waste Committee and what
will do. Mr. Johnson asked if it was wise to make a zoning designation on this area
we know what actually is in the landfill.
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Commissioner Kishel explained that the landfill could not be used for anything other than
a recreational area.
· South of the General Recreational area, east of Red Oaks, that property should be R-4.
· The area noted at PUD along Bunker Lake Boulevard and up Hanson Boulevard is presently
R-l. This will be rezoned to PUD.
· Going north there are four 20 acre parcels that will be rezoned to R-4 from R-l.
· The property to the west will also be included in the R-4 zone.
Commissioner Anstett felt the area known as Rolling Creek Trails should be left as R-l at
this point. Chairperson Bosel1 felt it should be R-4.
· The LI as shown on the map north of Bunker will be left as is.
· The two 40's along Hanson Boulevard east of Watts' Garden Acres should be R-l.
· The developed area west of Round Lake Boulevard off of Bunker will be zoned R-3.
· The MUSA line should be drawn with Coon Creek as the boundary line on the north.
MOTION by Lobb, seconded by Kishel to close the public hearing.
/ ,MOTION by Kishel, seconded by Apel that that Andover Planning and Zoning Commission recommend
\.~to the City Council approval of the rezoning map, proposal 116 showing the area that is set
aside by the Minnesota Supreme Court as a mobile home park, with all other rezonings as shown
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on the attached map for the following reasons: 1) A public hearing was held. There was
" some opposition to certain areas but not as to the overall intent of the rezoning; 2) The
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,-/City Engineer was present at the public hearing and made several of the recommendations for
- the rezonings as shown on said Proposal 116; 3) Northwest Associated Consultants was present
and made several recommendations for said rezonings and voiced agreement with the overall
rezoning; 4) That it is in good planning and is consistent with the Comprehensive Plan and
intent thereof; 5) It provides for the orderly extension of sanitary sewer to those areas
that have previously been developed in a manner that was not orderly. The definition for
AG land (Agricultural Preserve District) shall read: Lands suitable for long term agricultural 1
uses, because of the high quality of soils, availability of water, and/or highly productive
agricultural capability.
Motion carried on a 5-0 vote. This will go to the City Council on June 17, 1980.
NOTE: The moratorium expires on June 18, 1980. If action is not taken by the City Council
on the 17th, the moratorium should be extended.
Flood Plain Ordinance (Conuu. 114-80-7)
This will be continued to June 10, 1980.
Ordinance 8, Section 4.30 & 8.20 Amendment (Carom. 115-80-4)
Renee Fearon, 13945 Nightingale Street N.W. -_stated there are a lot of pros for a beauty
shop in the home. Her home is presently served by sanitary sewer. She has talked with
other cities who allow such a use and said they put different conditions in the Special
Use Permits, such as signs, walkways, etc.
A public hearing will be held on this on June 10, 1980.
MOTION by Kishel, seconded by Apel to adjourn the meeting. Meeting adjourned at 11:46 P.M.
Respectfully submitted,
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