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HomeMy WebLinkAboutSeptember 3, 1981 . o 0 ~ 01 ANDOVER o PARK COMMISSION MEETING - SEPTEMBER 3, 1981 MINUTES The Regularly Scheduled Meeting of the Andover Park Coromission was called to order by Chairman LeFebvre at 7:35 p.m., Thursday, September 3, 1981, at the Andover City Hall, 1685 Crosstown Blvd. N.W. Commission Members Present: Coromission Members Absent: Also Present: Longbella, Mand and Nichols Rogers, Wielgosz and Zillhardt Lyle Molskness - Rum River Hockey Assoc. Mark Schumacher - TKDA Jerry Windschitl - Lakeside Estates Lyle Bradley RUM RIVER HOCKEY ASSOC. General discussion involved the inadequacy of the warming house, poor ice last year in the hockey rink and related problems, one of which has been the difficulty in obtaining a schedule. Lyle Molskness wondered if present public works personnel were experienced in flooding rinks citing tha~ at one point in time when the ice was soft, a large tractor was in the rink and created ruts. Another problem was non-league players were many times using the rink when the hockey assoc- iation came to practice. Noted it was the end of January before a schedule was obtained. Without a schedule, it was practically impossible for public works to arrange for ice main- tenance. Mr. Molskness then stated the quality of ice was much better a few years ago. Colder weather was one reason; also at that time road maintenance was contracted out so more time could be spent grooming the ice. Suggested were volunteers from the hockey association to help maintain the ice. Further discussion involved the problem with the sand base and how difficult it was to initially start a layer of ice. Quality differences in nets were then mentioned. Jerry Windschitl wondered if a plastic linerwould help to keep the water from sinking into the sand. Wes Mand felt adding clay and roto-tilling it in would work out better. Mr. Molskness offered to get cost estimates on clay, a tentative schedule plus some input regarding volunteer help by the first meeting in October. They would like to use the rink, if possible, five nights a week. Briefly mentioned was storing a better set of goals in the fenced in area behind City Hall and furnishing a key to the hockey association. WARMING HOUSE The Coromission agreed with Mr. Molskness that the warming house is too small and is constantly being vandalized. Mr. Windschitl then informed the Commission of the senior citizen center plans being paid for by block grant funds. Possibly, in time, a portion of this building could be converted into a warming house. In response to several questions, Mr. Windschitl stated they would know within two to three weeks whether or not money would be available for such a center and, if so, it would mean $70,000 this year with another $70,000 next year, or a total of $140,000. It would be constructed as an add on to City Hall to the north and be consistent with City Hall, ie., a metal building. Several members coromented the warming house should de more secure and almost bombproof with no windows and fire doors. Mr. Winds chi tl asked hat size would be adequate and was told 20' x 301 should be sufficient. Wes Mand advised a spancrete building would run around $25,000 just for the building itself - this did not include the necessary wiring and other appurtenances. Mr. Molskness stated he would also check into the cost of concrete buildings. Wes Maud cautioned the need for a site plan before Page. #2, - Minutes September 3, 1981 u c) buildings were put down. ,- -tth regard to scheduling, 1~. Molskness stated the Commission should decide on how much open '-~kating was needed and they would work their schedule around it. Mr. Windschitl didn't think there would be a problem if a schedule was posted outside. The residen~would then know the hours for open skating. LAKESIDE ESTATES SKETCH PLAN, #2 This sketch plan is on the northwest side of Round Lake surrounded on two sides by Lake Ridge. The area consists of 39.8 acres, a long and slender 4 acre park is shown on the west edge. The proposed park meets with Lake Ridge to the north and connects with Andover West. This area was formerly called Kelsey Park and is the property the City was attempting to acquire partially funded by a State grant. Mr. Windschitl briefly described the plans to create a channel for wildlife from the lake meandering north to the Lake Ridge development. He has been in contact with Lyle Bradley and the Anoka Soil & Conservation Service for their suggestions. Soil borings have been taken and there was considerable discussion over their depth and locations. Mr. Windschitl stated, in order to comply with the ordinance, the entire parcel must be platted. However, this will be a staged development much like Andover West. The first stage will be Block 1, Lots 1 through 5. While waiting for Lyle Bradley to arrive, the subject turned to Parcel #6000, which was also a part of the acquisition project but was turned down due to active activities planned outside of the urban area. Mr. Windschitl felt there was at least 1600' of shore line involved in this parcel. The Commission was advised this parcel consisted of 30.5 acres and, through the grapevine, the owner is willing to sell it for $2,000 an acre. The grant money available totals $29,000 which would mean the City's share would be $32,000 without an appraisal and/or dickering. By looking at a map, the parcel seems larger than 30.5 acres. Mark Schumacher stated the acreage probably only included the area to the tree line due to the changeable shore line. Returning to the Lakeside Estates plat, the Commission agreed there was no other logical place for a park. Steve Nichols asked if l52nd La. would just dead end. Mr. Windschitl stated he would have to construct a temporary turnaround. This road would lead to the clay pits. Lyle Bradley suggested to set up a small kiln to show students how bricks were made. Since Mr. Windschitl does not plan on constructing Vintage St. and physically platting the lower portion at this time, he was willing to sell Lots 3 and 4, Block 2, to the City in order to create an even larger park. Wes Mand felt now would be a good time to tie up as much lake shore as possible as long as the owners were willing to sell. Subsequent discussion involved requesting the State Planning Agency to reverse their decision concerning Parcel #6000 and also adding Lots 3 and 4, Block 2 of Lakeside to the grant application for acquisition. Mr. Windschitl then mentioned the fact that, as Mayor, he would not be able to coroment or vote on any motion dealing vath his plat. MOTION by Mand, seconded by Longbella, to recoromend the City Council accept the parkland shown on the Lakeside Estates sketch plan. Motion carried unanimously. (~lscussion: It was mentioned earlier that the north end of the park matches up to Lake Ridge but could be off a couple of feet one way or the other. Steve Nichols asked to try and line it up exactly. Mr. Windschitl said an attempt will be made to try and do this. Pafle.#).- Minutes September ), 1981 o u Since this plat is going to be staged, Mr. Windschitl asked which portion the Coromission desired to be dedicated first. All agreed the northern portion should be first. .,' " '-~le Bradley arrived at 9:08 p.m. Mr. Windschitl then mentioned the possibility of asking the surrounding developers for a cash donation to help acquire Parcel #6000 as it would also benefit them to have a large park in the area. Mr. Bradley was then informed of the plans for acquiring the property next to the lake. He stated it would be wise to acquire as much of the lake shore as possible because the lake is a prime wildlife spot plus the fact the area has historic value citing the clay pits, the burial grounds (Which he hasn't been able to locate as yet), Ghostley's poultry research, etc. The "spider web" concept has worked well in other areas. He then elaborated on other historic wildlife areas which are just connected by something as simple as a path. MOTION by Mand that we discuss with State Planning to see if they will reevaluate the grant application to take in as much as the lake shore around Round Lake as possible. Discussion: The final grant application has to be submitted by October 2nd. A current appraisal is a part of this final application. Authorization from the Council for this appraisal would have to be approved at their September 15th meeting in order to try and meet the deadline. Mr. Bradley was asked if he could meet with State Planning and others involved at the site some day next week; the response was affirmative. MOTION by Mand to recommend the City Council approve the appraisal of the area in question. Discussion: The cost of an appraisal was unknown, but it must be done in order to file a final application. Mr. Windschitl stated there is a statutory limit on appraisals regarding easements. Who would be responsible for contacting an appraiser was then discussed. Mark Schumacher advised the City Attorney would be the one as has been done in all other appraisals. Wes Mand thought money could be budgeted over the next two years, 1982 and 198), to cover the City's share of the acquisition should the grant be approved. If the appraisal came in low, possibly Lots) and 4, Block 2 of Lakeside Estates could be included in the acquisition. Mr. Windschitl reiterated his earlier coroment that he was in no hurry to develop the lower portion of the plat. Lyle Bradley stated he felt the first priority would be to obtain the lake shore property. The two previous motions were then withdrawn. Mark Schumacher was then asked if he would have enough time to prepare the final application. He saw no problem as most of it could be done around the appraisal figure. The secretary was asked to contact the City Attorney and inform him of the proposed upcoming appraisal and ask him to have an appraiser ready. It was generally felt that since the Council has already authorized money to prepare the final application, they have more or less coromitted themselves to the project and would approve the appraisal. Mr. Windschitl advised he would not be present at the September 15th meeting and again mentioned he would have to abstain from any voting on anything relating to his plat. MOTION by Maud, seconded by LeFebvre, to recoromend the City Council authorize the City Attorney to obtain an appraisal on Plat #65920, Parcel #6000 and to also authorize payment of this appraisal. Motion carried unanimously .'~ Discussion: A meeting will be set up for next week at tile,site with Louis Jambois, Mark Schumacher, Wes Maud and Lyle Bradley. In the event the State Planning Agency determines the f 'ea still is not eligible for grant monies at that time, it\is understood this appraisal will '-..Jt be conducted. i MOTION by LeFebvre, seconded by Lapgbella, to adjourn. // -/ J /? ' RespectfUlly submitted: .(~ c2~~ e Ellen Bakke, Secretary I Meeting . adjourned 10:00 p.m. / /