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PARK COMMISSION MEETING - APRIL 2, 1981
MINUTES
The Regularly Scheduled Meeting of the Park Commission was called to order by Chairman
LeFebvre at 7:35 p.m., Thursday, April 2, 1981, at the Andover City Hall, 1685 Crosstown
Blvd. N.W.
Commission Members Present:
Commission Members Absent:
Also Present:
Longbella, Mand, Nichols and Rogers
None
Jocelyn-Ancheta and Debbie Hines - Park Planners
Jerry Green and Gordon Robinson - Creekside Sketch Plan
KELSEY PARK CONCEPT
This area totalling 160 acres is located on the northwest edge of Round Lake and includes
LakeRidge, Andover West and Lund's Round Lake Estates parks. Jocelyn Ancheta explained the
history of the clay pits. The Kelsey Brick Co. started in 1850 and folded in the early 1900's.
The cost of brick went down and the railroad did not go through so it became an unprofitable
business. Also located in the area were the Ghostley chicken farms and a few burial grounds.
Maps and a written report were furnished. The topographical map showed elevations. The
surrounding land use map depicted residential areas and undeveloped areas (agriculture and
swamp) - color coded. An access map showed the major thoroughfares leading to this area.
the conceptual map depicted color coded play areas, picnic areas and the swamp ~ea. The
master plan was the same as the conceptual, only specific items were drawn in. The girls
alternated' explaining each map.
Part of the area is flat, part
area is now filled with junk.
for soil, the northern part is
rolling hills and a large portion is marshy. The clay pit
The trees are for the most part scrub oaks and aspens. As
peat, while on the west it is sandy.
The master plan depicts a small parking area, a picnic area, playground and free play area
at north LakeRidge. Further south there are three duck ponds in the swamp area with a board-
walk system running east and west. On the west end, there is a 85,000 sq. ft. parking lot
which would accommodate 180 cars, plus a small lot to the south. Also shown is a small
maintenance building, a park building, another picnic and playground area, an exercise trail,
a walking trail, a volley ball and horseshoe area and combination playfields. On the island
to the south is a picnic shelter. Also shown are trees and shrubs along the boundary to
act as a buffer to divide the park area from the residential areas.
Th~based the concept around low maintenance and low initial cost which is why tennis courts
and hockey rinks were not incorporated into this plan.
The three parking lots with an asphalt base are estimated to cost $84,000.00 - total
development cost was estimated at $309,000.00. This could be reduced by using gravel in
the parking lots and purchasing kits for the playground equipment. All figures were based
on factory made items.
Limestone trails were selected because wood chips are not acceptable for grant purposes.
Qhe Commission felt the plan was basically good, although Glen Rogers mentioned there was no
ighting system for the ball diamonds. The student advised this had also been mentioned at
school. They had not figured the cost for their supplies so their claim will be sent in later.
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CREEKSIDE SKETCH PLAN
/ \This sketch plan consists of 26 lots. The total acreage at this time is 18. Mr. Green
~explained his house is on Lot 11 and felt he should not have to include this parcel for
the purpose of park dedication as it was already developed. The reason it is included in
the plat is to simplify the legal description. He stated the City Atttorney, who happens to
be out of town, has dictated a letter stating, in part, that since this lot is already
developed, it was his opinion that it should be excluded when considering park dedication.
This is a staged plat. At this time he plans on platting the seven lots along 138th ave.
since they all have existing sanitary sewer stubs.
The past history of the footbridge across Coon Creek was then discussed. 1~. Robinson stated
there was a drainpipe running through the City ovmed parcel, but it does not go all the way
down to the creek. Mr. Green advised the water normally drains across the westerly creek
lots and then into the creek. Mr. Robinson remarked he hoped this area would never be
developed as parkland as the lot line was 10-12 ft. from his house.
Steve Nichols and Glen Rogers felt there was no need for a park in this area due to the
closeness of Northwoods, etc. Gary Longbella agreed. Wes Mand suggested making a larger
parcel by taking land from Lot 16. If the subject of a footbridge arose again, possibly it
could be placed farther away from Mr. Robinson's lot line. He, Wes, stated he also felt the
parcel located on the corner of Bunker and Crosstown should not be included in the plat.
This is a prime commercial area. When it is rezoned, any park dedication would be lost if
included in this plat. Mr. Green did not want to lose any part of Lot 16.
Cash in lieu of land was then discussed. Mr. Green advised land in this area was selling
for between $3-4,000 an acre. He then offered to have the land appraised. Another source
had been checked and a figure of $4,000 an acre had been obtained. Mr. Green then offered
$5,000 an acre cash in lieu of land.
Previous records show in November 1973, the creek parcel was purchased for $4900.00. ~Ar.
Green stated it actually was $5,000, $100 was spent on a survey. Since this parcel was on
the creek, it was much more valuable.
Further discussion involved the fact the warranty deed does not mention the City parcel was
intended for park land - it was sold to the Township of Grow. Whether or not to sell it was
mentioned. Steve Nichols stated, in case school boundaries change again, the City would be
better off to keep it just in case a footbridge is brought up by the residents. Mr. Robinson
hoped this would never happen.
MOTION by Rogers, seconded by Longbella, to recommend the City Council accept cash in lieu
of land in the amount of $5,000 per acre for the Creekside plat - the total amount is to be
based on the end result in park dedication acreage in the plat. Motion carried unanimously.
CAPITAL IMPROV>>.mNT PROGRAM
Improving the City Hall site was discussed. Glen Rogers questioned whether or not this was
a good idea. He stated Coon Rapids has three ballfields on their site. That, along with
the clay hole (swimming) and double tennis court~makes for a dangerous situation when police
emergencies arise. Wes MEnd stated this was also his concern. More land was then mentioned
suchoo 40-80 tracts, one on the west side and one on the east side to be used as athletic
complexes.
: '~hairman LeFebvre informed the Commission the City Council was not in favor of developing
'--Hawk Ridge park due to lack of housing density. Wes MEnd stated that even though nothing
could be done with this park at this time, a grading plan could at least be prepared.
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~He then added he thought the Public Works Director should be present at the next meeting
to find out how much time he had to work on park related matters. If he had the time to
work on it, fine; if not, other engineering firms should be retained to get them to obtain
some proposals on these matters. He was tired of waiting for students to do plans and all
that is obtained are sketch plans - no grading plans are involved, therefore, no bids can
be obtained.
Chairman LeFebvre asked the Commission whether or not the subject of Hawk Ridge should be
pursued. Glen Rogers suggested to ask the Council to approve up to $2500.00 to hire someone
to do a topo on the Hawk Ridge park, send out proposals on how much it would cost to grade,
and then have somebody come out and do it because he didn't feel it could be done in-house.
Wes Mand agreed adding that the Mayor won't let the grader off the road long enough to
grade any parks. He also commented the Commission was just spinning its wheels and nothing
was being accomplished.
Also mentioned was the
submitted by May 1st.
this subject.
initial grant application for fiscal '82 LAWCON/LC1ffi has to be
The secretary advised Larry Winner went to a meeting last week on
Returning to the subject of the City Hall site, Chairman LeFebvre stated he would approach
the Council regarding the possibility of obtaining property to the north or south, across the
road.
The Commission had obtained a copy of the six year plan regarding the Community School
program. Wes Mand noted the 10% per year salary increase and felt the City should look into
a part- time program because at Year #6 the cost is estimated to be $JJ,OOO.OO.
MOTION by Nichols, seconded by Longbella, to adjourn. Meeting adjourned 9:JO p.m.
Respectfully submitted:
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ae Ellen Ba
Secretary
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M E M 0 RAN 0 U M
TO:
Mayor and City Council
COPIES TO:
Planning & Zoning Commission
FROM:
Park Commission
May 4, 1981
DATE:
Creekside Sketch Plan
REFERENCE:
The Park Commission at their April 2, 1981 meeting made the following motion which is
for your consideration:
MOTION by Rogers, seconded by Longbella, to recommend the City Council accept cash in
lieu of land in the amount of $5,000 per acre for the Creekside plat _ the total amount
is to be based on the end result in park dedication acreage in the plat. Motion carried
unanimously.
Please see the Minutes for details.
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