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HomeMy WebLinkAboutMarch 24, 1981 ,~ '-../ o o 0 e<<, 01 ANDOVER o 0 1685 Crosstown Blvd, NW, . Anoka, Minnesota 55303 . (612) 755-5100 REGULAR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING MARCH 24, 1981 7:30 P.M. Call to order Approval of minutes 1. Comm. 113-81-1 2. Comm. 113-81-2 3. Comm. 113-81-3 4. Comm. 113-81-4 5. 6. 7. 8. 9. Creekside Sketch Plan Hand Construction Special Use Permit Patricia Johnson Special Use Permit Mark Starr Special Use Permit Agricultural Preserve Districts Research City of Blaine Comprehensive Plan Review City of Coon Rapids Comprehensive Plan Review City of East Bethel Comprehensive Plan Review City of Ramsey Comprehensive Plan Review, Cont. o o 0 e<<, 01 ANDOVER o o REGULAR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING MARCH 24, 1981 MINUTES The Regularly Scheduled Planning and Zoning Commission meeting was called to order by Chair- person d'Arcy Bosell at 7:30 P.M., Tuesday, March 24, 1981 at the Andover City Hall, 1685 Crosstown Boulevard N.W., Anoka, Minnesota. Commissioners Present: Commissioners Absent: Also Present: Apel, Kishe1, Scherer, Anstett, Johnson, Lobb None City Engineer, Larry Winner; James Green; Dick Hand; Patricia Johnson; Mark Starr Approval of Minutes March 10, 1981 Page 3, Paragraph 5, change the word "through" to "thought". MOTION by Lobb, seconded by Kishel to approve the minutes of March 10, 1981 as corrected. Motion carried unanimously. Creekside Sketch Plan (Comm. 113-81-1) James Green, 2733 Bunker Lake Boulevard, developer - stated that this plat will be done in stages. At this time he would like to plat the 7 lots abutting l38th Avenue. The second phase will depend on what the demand is for the lots that he is platting now. Sanitary sewer is already in the street. City Engineer Winner noted that the City Council had several major concerns in their prelimin- ary review of the plat. Lot 11, Block 2 would be a double frontage lot. This is the lot with the house on it and it should be identified as an exception. The driveway location for Lot 2, Block 2 should be checked. Access to Crosstown Boulevard from Lot 1, Block 2 should be checked. Mr. Winner also noted that Lot 10, Block 2 fronts on Crosstown Boulevard and would require County Highway Department approval. Some of the lots are more than twice the average lot size. Crocus Street should be changed to l37th Lane N.W. to be consistent with the City's street pattern. The right-of-way across the parcel owned by the city needs to be dedicated for Crocus Street. Lots 1 and 2, Block 2 require a 50 foot setback from Crosstown Boulevard. A location map and the number of linear miles of road need to be shown on the plat. Commissioner Johnson was not clear as to how the service road shown on the plat is to be used. Engineer Winner stated that he was not aware of any plans to construct this road. James Green - explained that Lot 11, Block 2 is his house and he does not want to pay park dedication fees on that piece of property. Chairperson Bose1l stated that a developer must plat all of his contiguous property so if Mr. Green's house is shown on the plat as Lot 11 rather than as an exception, he may have to pay park fees on that property. She advised Mr. Green to contact the City Attorney with regard to this matter and to get his opinion in writing. Commissioner Anstett asked if this plat has to be submitted to the Coon Creek Watershed Board. Mr. Green noted that he originally started platting this in 1976 and at that time the plat was submitted to the Watershed Board. It was approved at that time and he paid the fees. Chairperson Bose1l stated that it needs to go back to the Watershed and it also has to be C=>~ubmitted to the County Highway Department. Blimning and zon') Comm~ion Meeting March 24, 1981 -'M1nutes'-/ Page 2 o o This item will be continued when Mr. Green returns with a preliminary plat. '. ,." Hand Construction Special Use Permit (Conm. 113-81-2) ,J Dick Hand. 3775 - 217th Avenue N.W.. Anoka - stated that he owns Lot 3, Block 1, East Brook Terrace and would like to construct a twin home with a zero lot line. Noted that with the cost of the lot and the assessments against it, it would not be feasible to build a single family dwelling. Each half of the twin home would be sold to a different owner. Frank Stone, 2725 - l34th Lane N.W. - stated that his house is to the On their block there is already one double and a triplex. The street block. Mr. Stone noted that there are always problems with parking. everyone in the area signed a petition against this twin home. east of this lot. dead ends down the He also noted that Les Hughes, 2720 - l34th Lane N.W. - Lives there is enough traffic on the street now. on this lot rather than a twin home. across the street from this lot. Stated that He would prefer to have a single family dwelling Eldon Miller, 2732 - 134th Lane N.W. - would also prefer a single family dwelling on this lot. Diane Hughes, 2720 - l34th Lane N.W. - to separate owners, he would be forced values would go down if that happened. neighborhood. They would like to keep felt that if Mr. Hand couldn't sell the twin home to rent them. She was afraid that their property She didn't want to have a lot of extra cars in the the neighborhood the way it is. Cecilia Miller, 2732 - l34th Lane N.W. - noted that when they built their house, they understood that the area would remain single family homes. She feels that a twin home would create more traffic and more parking problems. Commissioner Scherer asked Mr. Hand if he had a response to the parking and traffic concerns. Mr. Hand stated that each unit will have an attached single garage. It will not be any different than a single family dwelling. He noted that it will be a standard double bungalow with the garages in the front. He felt that he is within the ordinances. Chairperson Bosell noted that Mr. Hand meets all of the requirements except that there is only one sewer stub and this twin home would require two. Eldon Miller - asked what happens if the people have more than one car. Mr. Hand stated that he was sure it would be the same as any family with two cars - one would have to be parked in the driveway. At this time, Mr. Hand presented blueprints of the house he is proposing. Frank Stone - stated that anytime you have two garages next to each other, as Mr. Hand is proposing, one car eventually ends up in the street. He noted that he has lived in doubles in different areas of Andover. For the first couple of years, they look nice, but after 10 years they begin to deteriorate. Chairperson Bosel1 noted that Mr. Stone was referring to rental property. Mr. Stone explained that this could become rental property if Mr. Hand is unable to sell both sides of the twin. Chairperson Bosell said that in all fairness, , the same thing could happen to a single family dwelling. Les Hughes - noted that there are two other vacant lots on their street and the owners are \ talking about putting doubles on them. He stated that they want to get this double stopped ~ before the others come in asking for doubles. phnning and zon~ Conur/\ion March 24, 1981 -'~nutes'-/ Page 3 o u o Jack Esler, 2704 - 134th Lane N.W. - stated that they have a lot of parking problems already. When you get that many doubles on a dead end street, you end up with too much traffic. He stated that they're proud of their area. The people have taken good care of their property. Everything is nice and they would like to keep it that way. Commissioner Anstett asked Mr. Hand if the main reason he wants to build a double is financial. Mr. Hand stated yes, because of the assessments. He felt that if he has to build a single family dwelling he will have to ask too much for it and he doesn't feel he would be able to sell it. Each twin would sell for at least $50,000.00. If the twin home is denied, he will have to build the minimum that the City requires. Commissioner Apel noted that he meets all of the requirements for a Special Use Permit. The only hitch is the sewer stub, but that can be solved. Commissioner Anstett stated that the Commission has to consider the general welfare of the occupants and existing and anticipated parking facilities. This is one negative. Commissioner Kishel stated that regarding the parking, it is just anticipating something that might never occur. Commissioner Scherer stated that this is the same kind of problem that we face everywhere. The first person who moves into an area risks everything; it could turn into an exclusive neighborhood or just the opposite. Chairperson Bosell explained to the audience that the Commission does not make the final decision, that it is up to the City Council. Eldon Miller - asked who will pay for tearing up the street to put the sewer stub in. Chairperson Bosell stated that Mr. Hand would be responsible. The street would have to be brought up to the City street standards. Jack Esler - stated that their area was the gutter and sanitary sewer. For a long time show piece. He stated that they were proud something in there that we're not proud of. like to have it stay that way." first in the city to have concrete curb and they were ignored but now they're kind of a of what they had. ''Now someone wants to put We have a family conmunity there. We would Commissioner Lobb asked Mr. Esler what would happen if they had sewer problems and the street had to be torn up. Mr. Esler stated that would be an Act of God. Frank Stone - stated that he understood that the Commission is an advisory board for the city but he felt all they wanted to do was to get this double in there. Chairperson Bosell felt that Mr. Stone's statement wasn't fair. The Commission has not yet approved this request. Commissioner Ape1 noted that one of the biggest jobs of the Conmission is to interpret the ordinances. The Commission doesn't have any power like the City Council has. Frank Stone - stated that it's time somebody started listening to the people. Chairperson Bosell asked the City Engineer if there were any engineering problems. Mr. Winner stated that there are no major problems. He felt there should be adequate parking in the driveways. He also noted that the city WJuld inspect the street repair after the / \ sewer is hooked up. '-~ Jack Esler asked where the snow would go when the streets are plowed if this house is built. Conmissioner Kishe1 stated that the ordinance requires a certain amount of setback which would leave room for the snow in the front of the house. , ~lanning and Zon/~ Comm~ion Meeting March 24, 1981 -\~{nutes'-J Page 4 o o ~ MOTION by Kishe1, seconded by Lobb that the Andover Planning and Zoning Commission recommend to the City Council approval of a Special Use Permit for Hand Construction to build a twin home with zero lot line on Lot 3, Block 1, East Brook Terrace for the following reasons: 1) The proposed use will not be detrimental to the health, safety or general welfare of the community; 2) It will not cause serious traffic congestion or hazards; 3) It will not seriously depreciate surrounding property values; 4) It is in harmony with the general purpose and intent of the Zoning ordinance and the Comprehensive Plan; 5) Although there was public opposition from the audience, the Special Use Permit meets all the criteria with the exception that it will require an additional stub for the sanitary sewer connection. Motion carried unanimously. This will go to the City Council on April 21, 1981. NOTE: A petition was received from the residents in the area noting their objections to thiS Special Use Permit. Said petition is attached to this motion. Due to his involvement with the next item, Commissioner Johnson stepped down from the Council table. Patricia L. Johnson Special Use Permit (Comm. 113-81-3) Patricia L. Johnson, 13522 Gladiola Street N.W. - stated that she would like to open a single operator beauty shop in her home. The State Law says that you can only have one operator in a home beauty shop. City Engineer Winner noted that the plans provided to the Commission do not show the size of the parking area. However, two spaces should be adequate. Jerry Johnson, 13522 G1adiola Street N.W. - Stated that there is room for 2 cars now. What they will be doing will not be visible from the outside of the house. A portion of the garage will be converted into a beauty shop. He noted that he does not want his house to look like a business. His wife's schedule would not include weekends, it would only be three days a week. Chairperson Bosel1 asked if there was more than one access to the beauty shop. Jerry Johnson noted that there will be two; they are putting in another door. Chairperson Bose1l noted that City Hall had received a telephone call from Kay Funk objecting to the proposed beauty shop. She was afraid that if this is approved, other businesses would be coming into the area. MOTION by Anstett, seconded by Scherer that the Andover Planning and Zoning Commission recommend to the City Council approval of the Special Use Permit requested by Patricia L. Johnson at 13522 G1adiola Street N.W. to convert and use a portion of her home for a beauty shop in accordance with Section 7.03 as amended by Ordinance 8H for the following reasons: 1) With the Special Use Permit, the proposed use will not be detrimental to the health, safety, or general welfare of the community; 2) It will not cause serious traffic congestion nor depreciate surrounding property values; 3) It is in harmony with the general purpose and intent of the Zoning ordinance and the Comprehensive Plan; 4) There was no one present at the meeting voicing disapproval although one comment was received by telephone. Motion carried on a 5 yes, 1 abstain vote. This will go to the City Council on April 7, ~~ 1981. (Commissioner Lobb abstained as he is involved in the barber business.) Recess 8:50 - Reconvene 9:00 . i)" "- Planning and Zon Comm ion March 24, 1981 -'M~nutes~ Page 5 ....., Meeting o () Mark Starr Special Use Permit (Comm. 113-81-4) ,- " '-~ Mark Starr, 7841 - 15lst Lane N.W.. Ramsey - owns Lot 6, Block 1, Barnes Rolling Oaks and would like to remove 5,300 cubic yards of black dirt from this lot. This would leave a ten foot hole which will fill with water, creating a duck pond. He would be taking the dirt from the southeast corner of the lot. Mr. Starr is an excavating contractor and he plans to sell the dirt he removes. Commissioner Kishel asked Mr. Starr how he plans to get across the ditch to haul the dirt out. Mr. Starr stated that he originally asked Marlo Heyne if he could cross his property to get the dirt out. Since that time, Mr. Heyne has decided not to let him cross his property. He stated that he will have to bridge the ditch or find some other way. Commissioner Kishe1 felt that this would be a very important part of Mr. Starr's request and would tie in very much with granting approval or denial of the Special Use Permit. Chairperson Bosell stated that Ordinance 8, Section 4.24 requires that Mr. Starr needs to submit a plan for the finished grade. He also needs to supply the traffic route that will be used. The Commission also needs to know how he is going to get across the ditch. Bob Neros, 172 - l46th Lane N.W. - his lot is adjacent to this lot and his main concern is mosquitos. He also asked what this digging will do to his well and septic system. There are also a lot of children in that area. Commissioner Kishel stated that this will have no affect on his well. Marlo Heyne, 275 Andover Boulevard - Presented a petition from the residents in the area protesting the approval of the Special Use Permit. Mr. Heyne felt that this pond would be a hazard as it would attract mosquitos, children, etc. He stated that he did not move out there to have a mining project in his back yard and to have his children and grand- children drown in a ten foot pond. Chairperson Bosell noted that there are seven households represented on the petition. Donald Frvdenlund, 14717 Evergreen Street N.W. - owns the property north of the proposed project. His basic objection is that it's a nuisance. In low water years there will be problems with stagnation. "I wonder if your only concern is ordinance interpretation." Commissioner Kishel felt that the Commission couldn't act on this tonight as Mr. Starr needs to provide more information. In view of this, this item will be continued on April 14, 1981. City of Blaine Comprehensive Plan Commissioner Ape1 reported on his review of this plan. He the Blaine Mayor and City Councit and they noted that this just updated. The main part of the plan deals with parks. was nothing in the Blaine plan that would affect our city. stated that he had talked to plan is 12 years old and was Commissioner Apel felt there The Recording Clerk will send a letter to the City of Blaine noting that we have reviewed the plan. ~J City of Coon Rapids Comprehensive Plan Commissioner Scherer reported on his review of this plan. Their plan shows the land on 'Planning and Zor~) COIInI0ion Meeting March 24, 1981 - Minutes Page 6 (J u " "\ '-- ,) on our border as park reserve. Around Crooked Lake they show lcw to medium density housing. Around Hanson Boulevard they show a strip of Industrial (east of Hanson). A letter will be sent to Coon Rapids noting that we have reviewed their plan and have no major concerns other than the fact that we would like to be notified of any develop- ment on our border in its preliminary stage. City of East Bethel Comprehensive Plan Commissioner Johnson reviewed this plan and submitted a written report to the Commission. He noted that their plan was very informal; they do not feel a more formal plan is needed at this time. East Bethel is a rural residential community and they profess a desire to stay that way. There was nothing to indicate a conflict with Andover's Comprehensive Plan. A letter will be sent to East Bethel noting Jerry's comments, along with a copy of his report. City of Ramsey Comprehensive Plan, Continued Commissioner Anstett reported on her review of this plan. She noted that it would have been helpful if the plan included a map locating the city in relation to the Metropolitan area. There was no land use plan that would adequately forecast the need for sanitary sewer. They pointed out that they didn't feel there is a need for a land use plan. They show three areas for staged growth but there are no population forecasts included in that. In the 1990 planning area (southern portion of the city) it still allows one unit per acre in the residential, although it can be platted smaller anticipating sewer. The transition area to the north allows for 2.5 acre lots, as does the rural service area; these areas have no immediate plans for sewer. On the positive side, they list programs from the State and Federal governments to deal with housing needs. In the area of transportation they list problems with the present road systems. There is no major east west corridor; uncontrolled access to Highway 10 has caused many fatalities; the streets don't line up as a result of previous developments and transportation is limited. There is no consideration given to the effect of the county proposed Rum River Crossing at approximat~ly 156th Avenue N.W. which would affect us. They did list the procedures for obtaining conditional use permits, rezonings, variances, etc., which would be of benefit to the people of Andover if we had this in our plan. Chairperson Bose1l asked if Ramsey had adopted a scenic river ordinance similar to our ordinance. Commissioner Anstett could not find any mention of this in the Ramsey plan. Chairperson Bosell noted that our response to Ramsey should be that since Andover has adopted a scenic river ordinance and we share boundaries, a scenic river ordinance from Ramsey is in order. The other concern deals with the sewer population. The area of Andover that would be served by the CAB is dependent on when Ramsey will be using it. A letter will be sent to Ramsey noting the basic areas of concern: 1) Staging of the sewer and the population figures they are proposing and the concern of development along the Rum River and that we would expect to receive their scenic river ordinance in its preliminary stage. We should also address the proposed Rum River Crossing. '\ "J Agricultural Preserve Districts Research Chairperson Bosell asked if there were any advantages or disadvantages for having property in the city zoned as agricultural preserve. Commissioner Kishe1 felt that it would be an advantage to the farmers. . f\ -" Planning and Zon'J comm~.ion Meeting March 24, 1981 - Minutes Page 7 I \ ~J () , \ '- j Chairperson Bose11 noted that since this has become law, we have received about six requests from people wanting to have their properties classified as agricultural preserve. The Commission must decide if the city will allow this. If the city does adopt this, those properties classified as ag preserve will be exempt from paying special assessments. Most of the properties are along Crosstown Boulevard which would make it expensive for the city if the sewer is extended up to City Hall. This item will be continued to April 14, 1981. MOTION by Scherer, Seconded by Apel to adjourn. Motion carried unanimously. Meeting adjourned at 10:20 P.M. Respectfully submitted, U't0b Vicki Volk, Clerk \ \ I