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Home My WebLink AboutFebruary 9, 1982 o o c) ~ 01 ANDOVER o o REGULAR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING AGENDA FEBRUARY 9, 1982 7:30 P.M. Call to order Approval of Minutes 1. Comm. #11-81-1 2. Comm. #12-81-1 3. Comm. #2-82-1 Firearms Committee Update Noise Control Ordinance, Continued Good Value Homes Sketch Plan o o C~ U ~ 01 ANDOVER o REGULAR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING FEBRUARY 9, 1982 MINUTES The Regularly Scheduled Andover Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting was called to order by Chairperson d'Arcy Bosell at 7:34 P.M., Tuesday, February 9, 1982 at the Andover City Hall, 1685 Crosstown Boulevard N.W., Andover, Minnesota. Commissioners Present: Anstett, Kishel, Lobb Commissioners Absent: Apel Also Present: City Engineer, James Schrantz; John Peterson, Good Value Homes; Bob Peach Approval of Minutes January 26, 1982 MOTION by Kishel, seconded by Lobb to approve the minutes of January 26, 1982 as written. Motion carried unanimously. Good Value Homes Sketch Plan (Comm. #2-82-1) John Peterson, Good Value Homes - noted that in April of 1981, Frank Voth brought in a proposal for carriage homes (8 unit buildings) on this same parcel of land. They have since abandoned that idea because the units had single garages and they prefer double garages; people would have been living on two levels which they felt would be too noisy; c=) and it was hard to get FHA approval for the units. The property involved is approximately 78 acres on Round Lake Boulevard and approximately 139th Avenue. To begin with, they would like to plat six 6-unit townhomes and 15 quad units (4 units per building). Mr. Peterson noted that they have not figured out the exact acreage these units would be on; however, the density is higher than the 2.8 units/acre that is allowed. They would like to name this plat Northglen II even though it is not adjacent to Northglen. The property would be developed under the PUD concept. Mr. Peterson stated that they have not yet built any townhouses like they are proposing. Every building will not look the same from the front or back. Starting on one end of the building will be a two-story or rambler, then a rambler, then two split levels with tuck-under garages, then a rambler and the last one will either be a two-story or rambler. Three of the units will be 26 feet wide and three will be 28 feet wide. The second type of structure they are going to build will be quad-homes. They have not decided what they would like to do with the remaining parcel; they might want to put in single family and twin homes. Mr. Peterson felt that the zoning ordinance makes it difficult because it says that you have to plat all of your contiguous property. Commissioner Kishel asked if these units will have basements. Mr. Peterson explained that they will be slab on grade. City Engineer Jim Schrantz reviewed his memo regarding this sketch plan. He noted that if they go with the PUD concept, they could be given some density credit. By counting the entire 78 acres, the number of units that would be allowed is 218. He felt that the access on Round Lake Boulevard is adequate; the street leading into Anoka might present a problem; the road going to the north is in an area of marginal soils. He also noted O that the County is proposing to relocate Bunker Lake Boulevard through part of this property. City Engineer Schrantz noted that there are two small pieces of wetland on the property; the soils are of Group #1 Community Development which means that it is satis- factory for urban development with sanitary sewer; there is, however, a potential for wind erosion. Sanitary sewer and water are available in the vicinity of Round Lake - \ Planning and Zoning commir~,-,.A"eeting February 9, 1982 - Minutes Page 2 L,) _, Good Value Sketch Pl an, Cont. : \ '~Boulevard. Mr. Schrantz felt that the existing water system should be able to handle 160 acres of R-4 totally developed land. Chairperson Bosell suggested that Mr. Peterson contact Anoka County regarding the relocation of Bunker Lake Boulevard before proceeding with any further engineering work. Mr. Peterson expressed concern over the density as they have 4.8 units/acre. City Engineer Schrantz noted that if they are going to go with a PUD, they can't have more density than the zoning allows. Mr. Peterson noted that at the time they bought this property it was zoned for a mobile home park. Good Value agreed to let that zoning go in exchange for consideration for higher density zoning when they developed. He also noted that park land had to be dealt with. They will be going to the Park Board on March 4th with this sketch plan. He didn't know if they would want land or cash in lieu of land. Commissioner Anstett asked where the children would play if they gave cash in lieu of land. Mr. Peterson stated that they could put a tot lot in the green area. This item will be continued at such time as Good Value returns with a preliminary plat. Firearms Committee Update (Comm. #11-81-1) Inasmuch as Commissioner Apel, who is the chairman of the Firearms Committee, was absent , ',Commissioner Lobb gave a report on the progress of the Committee. He stated that the '-../Committee will be coming in with a draft at their next meeting. The interim Firearms Ordinance has expired; therefore, we are under the old ordinance. This item will be continued at the March 9th meeting. Noise Control Ordinance (Comm. #12-81-1) Commissioner Lobb noted that he called the City Attorney to ask him exactly what he wants in the ordinance. Mr. Hawkins' answer was 'Whatever the Commission feels they want to do'. Commissioner Lobb noted that the Commission has received a copy of the City of Brainerd's ordinance dealing with recreational motor vehicles which he felt would be good for us if that is what we want. However, it does not deal with noisy parties. He felt that Ordinance 8, Section 8.19 (C) is all that is needed. That section reads as follows: 'Any vibration discernible (beyond property line) to the human sense of feeling for three minutes or more duration in anyone hour and any vibration producing an acceleration of more than 0.1 G's or resultinq in an.v combination of amplitudes and frequencies beyond the "safe" range of Table 7, United States Bureau of Mines Bulletin No. 442, "Seismic Effects of Quarry Blasting", on any structure.' Commissioner Lobb noted that he can't get anything from the City Attorney and suggested that the Commission ask the City Council to direct the Attorney to draft the ordinance. Councilman Bob Peach - stated that he spoke to the City Attorney and asked him what he wants. Mr. Hawkins said he wants a statement saying that a noisy party is illegal. F \Chairperson Bosell suggested taking Section 7 out of the model ordinance provided by the ~attorney and inserting it in Ordinance 8, Section 8.19. She felt that this would take care of the problem the attorney is having. Recess 8:48 - Reconvene 8:53 Planning February Page 3 l-_J and Zoning Commission Meeting 9, 1982 - Minutes L-) " \Noise Control Ordinance, Cont. '-....--/ MOTION by Lobb, seconded by Kishel that the Andover Planning and Zoning Commission recommend to the City Council that we amend Ordinance 8, Section 8.19, 'Other Nuisance Characteristics' to provide authority to the law enforcement people to control noisy parties by inserting Section 7 of the model Noise Control Ordinance sent to us by the City Attorney. This motion is made even though the Commission felt there are adequate provisions in Ordinance 8, Section 8.19 to control noisy parties. Motion carried unanimously. This will go to the City Council on February 16, 1982. If the Council and the attorney feel that this would be appropriate, the Planning Commission will hold a public hearing on the amendment on March 9, 1982. Chairperson Bosell noted that at the last City Council meeting, the Council directed the Planning Commission to obtain bids for updating the Platting and Zoning Ordinances. The secretary will send letters to the people who submitted bids in 1980. Inasmuch as February 23, 1982 is Precinct Caucus Night, the Planning Commission will not hold a meeting that night. The next regularly scheduled meeting will be March 9, 1982. MOTION by Lobb, Seconded by Anstett to adjourn. Motion carried unanimously. Meeting adjourned at 8:56 P.M. Respectfully submitted, ", (, A 'J J..:L..-' /Lv Vicki Volk Commission Secretary :,J