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HomeMy WebLinkAboutMay 10, 1983 o o o 0 e<<, 01 ANDOVER REGULAR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING MAY 10, 1983 AGENDA Call to order - 7:30 P.M. Approval of Minutes - April 19, 1983; April 26, 1983 1. Conun. #3-83-5 2. Conun. #4-83-5 3. Conun. #3-83-3 4. Conun. #4-83-6 5. Conun. #4-83-7 6. 7. Conun. #4-83-8 8. Conun. #4-83-9 Shirley's Estates Preliminary Plat, Cont. Don Ahlberg Special Use Permit, Cant. Northglen 2nd Addition Preliminary Plat Public Hearing Anoka County Parks Department Special Use Permit Public Hearing Michael Kelner Variance Development of JJ's & Downtown Deli Discussion Basement Requirements Two Car Garage Requirement for Single Family o 0 e<<, 01 ANDOVER o REGULAR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING MAY 10, 1983 MINUTES The regularly scheduled Andover Planning and Zoning Commission meeting was called to order by Acting Chairman Don Spotts at 7:34 P'.M., Tuesday, May 10, 1983 at the Andover City Hall, 1685 Crosstown Boulevard N.W., Andover, Minnesota. Commissioners Present: Knutson, Perry, Rogers, Ape1 (arrived at 8:30 P.M.) Commissioners Absent: Bosell, Schreiner Also Present: Rosella Sonsteby; John Peterson, Good Value Homes; John Uban, Howard Dahlgren Associates; DeWayne Olson, DeWayne Olson Engineering; Michael Kelner; City. Engineer, Jim Schrantz; others Approval of Minutes April 19, 1983 MOTION by Rogers, seconded by Knutson to approve the minutes of April 19, 1983 as written. Motion carried unanimously. Apri 1 26, 1983 MOTION by Rogers, seconded by Knutson to approve the minutes of April 26, 1983 as written. Motion carried on a 4 yes, 1 present (Perry) vote. Shirley's Estates Preliminary Plat, Cont. (Comm. #3-83-5) Acting Chairman Spotts noted this plat is on the agenda because of items that were missing at the last meeting. He asked if the soil borings had been done. City Engineer Schrantz noted that the borings were done by the surveyor and appear to be satisfactory. The Park Board asked that a part of the park be filled in for an access to the lake. That has been shown as a walkway to the lake. Commissioner Rogers noted that the front yard setback should be 35 feet rather than 30 feet. Commissioner Perry stated that there were six outstanding items on this plat: 1) The park, wetland and Lot 6 need to be shaded to show grading and filling; 2) The 66 foot easement needs to be filled and graded; 3) The front yard setbacks are to be shown as 35 feet; 4) Lots 1 and 2 need to have a 75 foot setback from the ordinary. high water mark; 5) The soil borings needed to be provided; 6) Drainage on Lots 3, 4, and 5 needed to be changed. City Engineer Schrantz noted that the construction at the same time as those for Rosella's Addition. to be done is the drainage on Lots 3, 4, and 5. alt was noted that the outstanding items have been taken care of and this plat will go to the City Council on May 17th as scheduled. of the utilities and street will be done He also noted that the only thing left () u Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting May 10, 1983 - Minutes Page 2 \ " J Don Ahlberg Special Use Permit, Cont. (Comm. #4-83-5) Commissioner Knutson noted that Mr. Ahlberg was to bring in a drawing showing the finish grade for the pond he is excavating. He asked the City Engineer if he had reviewed the drawing. Mr. Schrantz noted that he reviewed the drawing and the finish grade is satisfactory. Northglen 2nd Addition Preliminary Plat Public Hearing (Comm. #3-83-3) Acting Chairman Spotts opened the public hearing. John Peterson, Good Value Homes - stated that when they decided to develop this property, they were hoping that the city would reduce the minimum lot size required. That was done and they were able to come in with this single family subdivision. John Uban, Howard Dahlgren Associates - noted that the plat will be done in two phases. The second phase, which is the westerly part of the property, will be done when the County decides when and where they are going to relocate Bunker lake Boulevard. Two different proposals were presented to the Commission, one showing a 150 foot strip along the western edge of the plat and the other without the 150 foot strip. Mr. Uban noted that a consider- able amount of the park land is swampy; there are 10 acres of high ground. The park will be a neighborhood park and it has two access points. He also noted that the park will be dedicated to the city during Phase I of the platting process. Acting Chairman Spotts asked if the homes will typify those that are in Northglen. Mr. Peterson noted that they will. Mr. Spotts then asked if the dirt from the grading will be used within the plat. Mr. Peterson stated it will be. They will be moving approximately 200,000 cubic yards of dirt. There are some swales and low spots that will need to be filled. DeWayne Olson, DeWayne Olson Engineering - explained that the grading plan that was submitted is short in dirt. Some of the grades will have to be dropped in order to stay with the plan. The water table is no problem; the flood elevation in the northern part of the plat is 969 and in the southern part it is 965.7. They will be following the natural drainage as close as possible. He also noted that the area in the southeast corner is presently a ponding area. Commissioner Rogers felt that the park should be an active park rather than a passive park as people from across the street in Anoka will probably use it. City Engineer Schrantz stated the we have to go by the Park Board's recommendation, which includes two ball fields. Acting Chairman Spotts asked if the water table tends to lower itself in a large project such as this. City Engineer Schrantz stated this project will have city water so the water table will not be affected at all. Commissioner Knutson asked what will happen to 139th lane and 140th Avenue if this plat ~)is done in phases. John Uban noted that 140th Avenue will have a temporary turnaround , on the end of it and 139th Avenue will flow into Woodbine Street. Rosella Sonsteby, 4151 - 141st AvenueN.W. - stated that her concern is for the storm \vater. The pond on her property is full and there is no way anymore water can run into it. \.~ u Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting May 10, 1983 - Minutes \Page 3 '- / (Northglen 2nd, Cont.) At the present time, there is 40'-50' of water on the grass because the water is coming from across Round Lake Boulevard. (Commissioner Apel arrived at this time-8:30) Mr. Schrantz noted that the Planning Commission is going to have to approve one preliminary plat or the other. They cannot approve both proposals. He mentioned that one other thing the Park Board was concerned about was if all of the property shown as 'Park' has to be called park. If it's all called park, then the county would be putting their road (Bunker Lake Boulevard) through the park. Mr. Schrantz also stated that there should be an access to Round Lake Boulevard from Outlot A, so that if city employees have to go to that Outlot, they don't have to cross private property. It was decided by Good Value that a strip of land approximately 20 feet wide will be given to the city as part of Outlot A for access to Round Lake Boulevard from the outlot. Mr. Peterson suggested that they just preliminary plat Phase 1 of this plat and deed the western part of the park property to the city at this time. Acting Chairman Spotts asked how many lots there are in Phase I. Mr. Peterson noted that there are about 100. Commissioner Knutson noted that the lot lines on Lots 1, 2, and 3, Block 1 will have to be rearranged when the 20 foot strip is taken out for the outlot access. If they are not changed, those lots will not comply with the minimum lot size. MOTION by Rogers, seconded by Perry to close the public hearing. Motion carried unanimously. Discussion was on whether this item should be continued to the next meeting so that Good Value can redraw the plat showing only Phase I, or if it should be disposed of now. It was the concensus of the Corrunission that it should be taken care of tonight. MOTION by Knutson, seconded by Rogers that the Andover Planning and Zoning Commission recommend to the City Council approval of Phase I of Northglen 2nd Addition, developed by Good Value Homes, for the following reasons: 1) A public hearing was held; there was no public opposition; 2) It is in conformance with the Comprehensive Plan; 3) It has been reviewed by the City Engineer with the following conditions: a) a minimum 20 foot strip of land will be deeded to the city connecting Outlot A and Round Lake Boulevard for fire protection and maintenance purposes; b) Lots 1,2, and 3, Block 1 will be redrawn to fit the minimum lot size; c) a line will be drawn in the area described as park to leave room for the relocation of Bunker Lake Boulevard; d) the western part of the park will be deeded to the city; e) the Chutich property on the southeast section of the drawing will be labeled NB rather than R-4 and the Rademacher property labeled NB will be changed to SC: 4) The plat has been reviewed by the Anoka County Highway Department; 5) The Park Board recommend- ation has been received; 6) It meets the city ordinances with a variance bei.ng granted as all of the owner's contiguous property is not being platted. Approval is contingent upon the road width and surfacing of the streets outside of the plat bei.ng added and a temporary \ turnaround being constructed on 140th Avenue. Full park dedication has been made in Phase )1 and none will be required in Phase II. Motion carried unanimously. This will go to the City Council on June 7, 1983. (Recess 9:20 - Reconvene 9:30) u u Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting May 10, 1983 - Minutes Page 4 \ , Michael Kelner Variance (Comm. #4-83-7) Michael Kelner, 16080 University Avenue N.W. - stated that he bought some property at 15478 Prairie Road and according to the perc test, the house should be set back to the west on higher ground. It will be 30 feet from the rear property line, rather than the 50 feet that is required. Commissioner Perry asked how much land Mr. Kelner has. He stated that it is 2.68 acres. He further stated that where they want to put the house is the only feasible place to put it. Commissioner Perry explained to Mr. Kelner that any accessory buildings he wants to build cannot be any closer to the front lot line than the house. MOTION by Perry, seconded by Rogers that the Andover Planning and Zoning Commission recommend to the City Council approval of a variance requested by Michael Kelner, 16080 University Avenue N.W., to build a house 30 feet from the rear property line rather than the 50 feet required by Ordinance at 15478 Prairie Road, for the following reasons: 1) The applicant submitted reports of soil borings and perc tests indicating that the area is the only feasible area for a house; 2) The proposed building site is high and has enough high area to construct the home and also the necessary septic system; 3) The variance request will not affect adjacent property owners and it is in the spirit of the intent of Ordinance 8, Section 5.04. Motion carried unanimously. This will go to the City Council on June 7, 1983. Basement Requirements and Two Car Garage Requirement (Comm.#4~83~8and#4-83-9) These two items were sent to the Planning Commission from the City Council for their review. Commissioner Spotts didn't feel that we should require people to have basements. He did, however, feel that we should require frost footings. He stated that if we require basements, we would have to make an exception for earth sheltered homes and if we are going to have exceptions, why have the rule. Commissioner Ape1 agreed. Commissioner Rogers stated that if we don't require a basement, we should require a developer to put up a storm shelter for the people living in that subdivision. Commissioner Perry noted that the building inspector suggested that if we are going to allow slab homes, we should require the builder to build an extra 100 square feet for storage. The secretary noted that that requirement is in the draft of Ordinance 8 that the Planning Commission is working on. MOTION by Perry, seconded by Ape1 that the Andover Planning and Zoning Commission advise the City Council that their recommendations and suggestions on the requirement of basements and also the requirement of two car garages have been taken under consideration and at - this time the Planning Commission is not recommending any changes to the existing , ~ordinances; however, as we deal with the update of the ordinance we will continue discussion - and before Ordinance 8 goes to the City Council, any changes that the Planning Commission o u Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting May 10, 1983 - Minutes Page 5 \ \ /' (Basements and two car garages. cont.) feels should be made will be incorporated into the ordinance for the Council's consideration. Motion carried unanimously. This will go to the City Council on June? 1983. Anoka County Parks Department Special Use Permit Public Hearing (Comm~#4~83-6) Inasmuch as no one from the County was present for this item it will be continued to the May 24th meeting. It should also be noted that Agenda Item #6. Development of JJ's and Downtown Deli discussion, has been deleted from the agenda. . MOTION by Knutson to adjourn. Motion carried unanimously. Meeting adjourned at 10:10 P.M. Respectfully submitted. U'Ub Vicki Volk Commission Secretary