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HomeMy WebLinkAboutJanuary 28, 1986 o ,...-, '-) ,- '\ ,_/ CJ u CITY of ANDOVER REGULAR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING JANUARY 28, 1986 - AGENDA Call to order - 7:30 P.M. Approval of Minutes - 1/14/86 1. Comm. #1-86-1 Larsen Variance 2. Comm. #10-85-3 Hidden Creek Sketch Plan 3. Comm. #12-85-5 Universal Properties Sketch Plan (Joint meeting with City Council) Adjournment l~) c..) o CITY of ANDOVER REGULAR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING JANUARY 28, 1986 - MINUTES The regularly scheduled Andover Planning and Zoning Commission meeting was called to order by Chairman Don Jacobson at 7:30 P.M., Tuesday, January 28, 1986 at the Andover City Hall, 1685 Crosstown Boulevard N.W., Andover, MN. Commissioners Present: Commissioners Absent: Also Present: Apel, Jovanovich, Rogers Bosell Doug York, Windfield Homes; John Peterson, Good Value Homes APPROVAL OF MINUTES January 14, 1986 MOTION by Apel, seconded by Rogers to approve the minutes of January 14, 1986 as written. Motion carried unanimously. JIM LARSEN VARIANCE (COMM. #1-86-1) ~) Doug York, Windfield Homes, representing Mr. Larsen - stated that Mr. Larsen bought a home package from them that they constructed through the frame stage. In order to obtain the building permit, Windfield Homes had to provide Mr. Larsen with the material for a 12" overhang which the City requires, but which was not on the house plans. Wind- field Homes assured the City that the home would be built with the overhang but it was not. They are now requesting a variance so that the overhang will not have to be put on the gable ends of the house. Mr. York also stated that if the variance is not approved, they will go ahead and put the overhang on. Chairman Jacobson asked if the error was made by Windfield Homes' crew. Mr. York noted that it was. Mr. Jacobson asked how far the house is to being done. Mr. York stated that it is framed, roofed, insulated and most of the mechanical is in. It is not sheetrocked. The work on the outside of the home has been stopped but the inside is being worked on. Mr. York also stated that in order to install the 12" over- hang, it will cost between $1,800 to $2,000 and will take two to three days. Commissioner Rogers asked who obtained the permit for the home. Mr. York stated that the owner of the home (Mr. Larsen) signed for it. Chairman Jacobson noted that Ordinance 8S requires all residential dwellings to have a 12" overhang. We also have on file a letter from Windfield Homes saying they would supply the material for the overhang. MOTION by Apel, seconded by Rogers that the Andover Planning and Zoning '\ Commission recommend to the City Council approval of a variance request- ;~ ed by Jim Larsen pursuant to Ordinance 8S, Section 8.23 (4), for the following reason: The building has been basically constructed. In looking at pictures of a similar home, the appearance would not be Regular January Page 2 . ) . . Plannlng Commisslon Meetlng 28, 1986 - Minutes / (Larsen Variance, Cont.) appealing with a 12" overhang on the gable ends. Motion carried on a 3 yes, 1 no (Jacobson) vote. This will go to the City Council on February 18, 1986. HIDDEN CREEK SKETCH PLAN (COMM. #10-85-3) John Peterson, Good Value Homes - noted that they had three choices on how this plat would look depending on how Crooked Lake Boulevard is going to be relocated. They have an additional 80 acres to the east, and there will probably be some changes on the east side. The major change is to put Crooked Lake Boulevard to the easterly property line which involves the purchase by Good Value Homes of Roger and Diane Nutt's house. If the county road is relocated there, it will be one of the most major intersections in the city. The plan is to extend it north and it will pick up Crosstown Boulevard just north of the Speedy Market. One problem is that it will be going through a wetland which is controlled by the Department of Natural Resources. A permit will be required from the DNR to go through that wetland. Mr. Peterson also noted that if they can't buy the Nutt's house, and the road doesn't go this way, they still have room to put the major north/south collector to the west. He noted that their first phase will be the northwestern part of the plat. After meeting with the city staff and Council several streets were made into cul-de-sacs. Chairman Jacobson asked where the Park Board wants the park to be located. Mr. Peterson stated that they have proposed the park to be on the north side of the plat, just off of Bunker Lake Boulevard; however, Park Board doesn't want it there because they don't want lots backing up to a park, they didn't like it so close to the Speedy Market, they didn't like it so close to Bunker Lake Boulevard and it's not centrally located. In talking to the Park Board, Good Value Homes gave several reasons why they didn't want the park to be in the center of the plat - it would be three to five years before it is developed and it's hard to build single family dwellings along a major road like Bunker Lake Boulevard. Mr. Peterson also noted that this park will probably be used by people other than those living in the neighborhood and they (Good Value) didn't want to have people driving through the subdivision to get to the park. The park shown on the plat does not satisfy their whole park dedication; they could have another park in the south or the rest could be cash in lieu of land. He stated that they will berm along Bunker Lake Boulevard. , J Chairman Jacobson asked why the lots in Block 1 are so large. Mr. Peterson noted that there is a low area there. Mr. Jacobson also noted there should be some type of access to the pond by Block 5 so the city can get there if they need to take over the maintenance of the pond. He also felt that something should be done differently with the lots in Block 4 along the creek as they are 80' wide and 800' long. He suggested making them smaller and giving the rest of the land to the Park Board for a nature trail. The property shown on the plat as commercial would require either a rezoning or a PUD by special use permit. ~ Regular Planning Commission Meeting January 28, 1986 - Minutes Page 3 (Hidden Creek Sketch Plan, Cont.) Mr. Peterson noted that the county has no objection to the access to Bunker Lake Boulevard. Mr. Jacobson explained that if the Park Board will not accept the park where it is shown a major redesign will have to be done on the plat or Good Value could go before the Council and say they want the park where it is. Mr. Peterson stated that they are going to ask the Council to approve the park where it is. Recess 8:30 - Reconvene 8:45 UNIVERSAL PROPERTIES SKETCH PLAN (COMM. #12-85-5) At this time, the Mayor, City Council and City Engineer joined the Planning Commission to discuss Mr. Cook's sketch plan. Mayor Windschitl stated that this particular plat prompted this discussion. The City of Coon Rapids went through 131st and Hanson with sanitary sewer and ended up with some huge assessments. If you have the potential, what kind of development should you allow in an area that might have sewer and water brought in. He also noted that the proximity of the / landfill is one of our concerns on this plat. He suggested doing a cluster development. The whole idea of that is to see if you can give the developer more lots but prevent a future resident from getting a horrendous assessment. At today's prices, for a 2~ acre lot for sewer, water and streets the assessment would be approximately $51,000. We also have to provide for some logical street pattern. Two and a half acre lots are horrible for resubdividing. Mayor Windschitl suggested that we look at where we would allow a cluster development, that it could be a transition line from our MUSA line. The Planning Commission and City Council should decide what would be best for the city. Chairman Jacobson noted that a cluster development could become rather complicated because you would have to tell people which side they could put their house on. We would also need to change our Comprehensive Plan. He felt this approach may work for this plat but in other areas of the city it might not be good. One of the reasons people move to Andover is because of the bigger lots. Jim Schrantz stated that Hartfiel's Estates is going to need sewer and this development would draw it. There are other areas that would have to be served if Hartfiel's gets sewer. Mayor Windschitl noted that if we didn't have the landfill, it would be simple to have larger lots in that area. We have about 8 years of land left for development in the southern part of the city and there are no assurances that we won't have any bad wells because of the landfill. He also noted that at one time there was hope that the generators would pay for a water system, but that hope is gone. Mr. Windschitl pointed out that North Oaks West is a cluster development. / J Regular Planning Commission Meeting January 28, 1986 - Minutes Page 4 (Universal Properties, Cont.) Councilman Orttel noted that to build on every other lot. styles of houses being built install the sewer lines. in Hartfiel's Estates they were allowed When that happens, you have different and the streets have to be torn up to Dick Schneider - asked what the capacity of the sewer line is. Mayor Windschitl stated that it is approximately 32,000 people. He also noted that after 1990 we are going to see cities fighting to get capacity out of the sewer line. Mr. Schneider noted that when he sold the property to Mr. Cook the ordinance required 2~ acre lots and now the Council is talking about having smaller lots. He objected to the smaller lot sizes. Councilman Knight asked if we are going to allow people to leapfrog in the transitional zone. Mayor Windschitl stated that anything in the line would have to be treated the same. Chairman Jacobson asked the Council to make a decision on this and to let Planning and Zoning know what they should do. MOTION by Rogers, seconded by Jovanovich to adjourn. Motion carried unanimously. Meeting adjourned at 9:55 P.M. Respectfully submitted, [L-d~ vicki Volk, Recording Secretary