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HomeMy WebLinkAboutMarch 11, 1986 / ) L. :' ) '-J eJ CITY of ANDOVER REGULAR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING MARCH 11, 1986 - AGENDA Call to order - 7:30 P.M. Approval of Minutes 1. Comm. #10-85-3 2. Comm. #2-86-1 3. Comm. #1-86-7 4. Comm. #3-86-1 5. ADJOURNMENT ~J <J " Hidden Creek Preliminary Plat Review Goodridge Acres Preliminary Plat Public Hearing Ordinance 8 Amendment Public Hearing Batson Variance Ordinance Discussion u u C) CITY of ANDOVER REGULAR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING MARCH 11, 1986 - MINUTES The was 11, MN. regularly scheduled Andover Planning and Zoning Commission meeting called to order by Chairman Jacobson at 7:30 P.M., Tuesday, March 1986 at the Andover City Hall, 1685 Crosstown Boulevard N.W, Andover, Commissioners Present: Commissioners Absent: Also Present: 80sell, Jovanovich, Pirkl, Rogers, Vistad Apel City Engineer James Schrantz; Tom O~M~ll,y; Glen Geving; John Peterson; others APPROVAL OF MINUTES - FEBRUARY 25, 1986 Page 2, 5th paragraph should read two easterly 40 acre parcels instead of easterly two 40 acre parcels. Page 4, regarding Ordinance 8 amendment - PUD should be taken out after 'having a new zoning district to deal with cluster zoning. In the last sentence, 'will be zoned' should be changed to 'proposed to be zoned'. MOTION by Rogers, seconded by Pirkl to approve the minutes of February 25, 1986 as amended. Motion carried on a 5 yes, 1 present (Bosell) vote. .~ HIDDEN CREEK PRELIMINARY PLAT REVIEW John Peterson, Good Value Homes - stated that DeWayne Olson noted that it will be very difficult to build a berm to protect the site distance from the road. However, they are willing to put whatever kind of berm the city wants. He also noted that of the two ball fields, the closest one will be 211' from the edge of Bunker Lake Boulevard. They feel that it would look best to have an undulating berm. The Park Board does not want Lot 1, Block 2 as a parking lot. They would like to have a tot lot and Good Value Homes has suggested Lot 3, Block 5 for that purpose. The County Highway Department sees no problem with the access to the county road. Chairman Jacobson noted that his feelings are still strong for a berm. There is concern about people driving by and it could cause a safety problem. Mr. Schrantz suggested using a berm and some plantings. Commissioner Rogers felt that a 4 foot cyclone fence on top of a berm would be suitable. ... ,- , , ) '-..../ Mr. Peterson stated that they committed to the Park Board to put in a fence also to prevent traffic from going up into the park. They have given the Park Board land, they will grade and seed the park and put in a berm and a fence. Commissioner Bosell noted that she would be opposed to a 6 foot berm. She would rather see a lower berm with a fence and trees. Regular Planning Cc 3sion Meeting March 11, 1986 - Minuces Page 2 (Hidden Creek, Cant.) Mr. Schrantz noted that Good Value Homes will have to decide which parcel will be for the fire station as you cannot dedicate the land as park and then put a fire station on it. This plat will go to the City Council on March 20, 1986. GOODRIDGE ACRES PRELIMINARY PLAT PUBLIC HEARING (COMM. #2-86-1) Tom O'Malley, Caine and Associates, representing Glen Geving and Walter Johnson - stated that this plat was originally submitted in 1981 and after starting it, it was determined by the developers that they didn't want to go through with it at that time. Chairman Jacobson asked if there was a letter of consent from the fee owner. Glen Geving - presented a letter to Mr. Jacobson from the fee owner giving his consent. Mr. O'Malley noted that there will be six single family lots, each being 2Y. acres with 300 feet of frontage. There will be .2 miles of new streets which would be an extension of Heather Street coming from Wobegon Woods and a cul-de-sac from 176th Avenue. He noted that this is a very odd shaped piece of property. At this time Chairman Jacobson opened the public hearing. Dick and Doris Carson, 17551 Round Lake Boulevard - stated that they own the property immediately to the north of the plat and are concerned with access from their property. Mr. Jacobson noted that one concern is the street alignment. Mr. Schrantz stated that staff felt that Heather Street should be connected to Gladiola Street in Countryview Estates and Eidelweiss Street should continue through the plat. Mr. Jacobson noted that the street alignment needs to be worked out. also noted that there are no soil borings or water table information. Schrantz noted that he does have the ponding calculations. He Mr. Ms. Bosell noted that if there are to be restrictive covenants they need to be filed at City Hall. She also noted that there are no lot dimensions on the east boundary of Lots 3 and 4 of Block 2 and there is no recommend- ation from the Park Board. Mr. Geving stated that they have not gone to the Park Board yet. Commissioner Rogers asked what effect the power line easement has on the property. Mr. Jacobson stated none; however, no structures can be built on it. Commissioner Pirkl asked if there is room on Lot 4 to build a house. Mr. Jacobson stated there is. Mr. Jacobson also noted that the scale should be I" = 50' and that the soils information needs to be provided. Also, the developer needs to go to the Park Board and a grading plan needs to be submitted. The street F.legular Planning Co"r"".lssion Meeting March 11, 1986 - Minutes Page 3 _1 (Goodridge Acres, Cant.) grade needs to be indicated. concern. The street alignment is a major item of Mr. Schrantz noted that they can use 60' right-of-way for the street rather than 66'. Dick Carson - stated that he would be willing to work with the developer to obtain access for his five acre parcel. Ms. Bosell suggested that Mr. Carson and Mr. Geving plat their properties together. She asked the Commmission if they would approve the plat if the street alignment was worked out but the lots did not meet the 2~ acre requirement. Mr. Jacobson stated that he would have no problem with that as variances have been given before for lots that don't meet the requirement. He did however suggest that they try for the biggest lots they can get. MOTION by Rogers, seconded by Vistad to continue the public hearing for Goodridge Acres until the next Planning Commission meeting. Motion carried unanimously. Mr. Schrantz stated that this is an example of a plat not being ready and that he would like to not accept any plats until all of the information is provided to City Hall including soils information, grading plan, etc. ORDINANCE 8 AMENDMENT PUBLIC HEARING (COMM. #1-86-7) Chairman Jacobson noted that the City Council asked the Planning Commission to look at an ordinance which would require smaller lots in an area where the requirement is 2~ acre lots. The reason for this being that in the event sanitary sewer comes through, the assessments would not be so large. He stated that the language for that ordinance amendment has been written and a public hearing needs to be held. At this time, Chairman Jacobson opened the public hearing. Dick Schneider, stated that he is opposed to the ordinance amendment. He noted that he sold the proeprty to Chuck Cook with the understanding that there would be 2~ acre lots and would not have sold the property if he knew this was going to happen. Mr. Schneider felt that some concern should be shown for the people who are already living in the area. He stated that the City is encouraging sanitary sewer to come in if they adopt this ordinance. The ordinances were written to protect the people who own property. Commissioner Rogers asked Mr. Schneider if he owns other property in this area. Mr. Schneider stated that he has a ten acre parcel. / Ken Heil, 1425 Andover Bouelvard - owns a number of lots in the area and is not selling them because he wants the area to remain open and doesn't wnat sewer to come in. The area was zoned a number of years ago for 2~ acre lots and wants it to remain that way. Regular Planning March 11, 1986 - Page 4 COrd. 8 Amendment, C ' ) . 01111.. .L.SS 1 on Minutes Meeting '-- ~ Cant. ) Mr. Jacobson noted that that the Council is anticipating sewer and water will be in the area of Bunker and Hanson this summer. Ms. Bosell explained to Mr. Heil that sewer won't come in unless there is a petition from 35% of the property owners asking for it. Dave Schneider - asked if the MUSA line is being changed. Mr. Jacobson stated it is not. Mr. Schneider felt that this ordinance would be encouraging sewer and water. With all of the cuts in federal loans you might not be allowed to connect into the sewer system. Mr. Jacobson noted that the Metropolitan Waste Control Commission has allocated a certain capacity to the City of Andover. If they change it, they will have to change it for a lot of other communities also. Mr. Schrantz stated that square feet of buildable feel they are making the same ability to maintain courage sanitary sewer. on a 2Y. acre lot you only have to have 39,000 land. The rest can be swamp. Council doesn't buildable lots any smaller; they will have the a septic system. They are not trying to en- They are trying to prepare if it does come in. Mr. Jacobson explained that this ordinance change would not allow any more lots than if the property was platted in 2Y. acre lots. If a plat of 2Y. acre lots allowed for 20 lots, this would allow for 20 lots. The rest of the property would be green space and it would remain that way until sewer is available. If sewer does come in, the green space could then be developed. Dick Schneider - stated that any developer is not going to let that green space sit there and pay taxes on it. He is going to petition for sewer and water. Mr. Schrantz didn't feel that area woq]d be able to get sewer until after the year 2000 even if it was petitioned for. Mike Wallace, 1319 Andover Bouelvard - opposed to the ordinance amendment for the reasons given by the other prorpty owners. Tom Adler, 1480 Andover Boulevard - oppposed to the amendment. Asked if the sewer is going to be coming up Hanson. Mr. Schrantz stated it will not come up that far until after the year 2000. Mr. Jacobson noted that there are two ways that sewer and water come in: one is by petition by at least 35% of the property owners and the other is if there is a health hazard the City Council will initiate a project. Chuck Cook, developer of the property - explained to the audience that he originally submitted a plat with 2Y. acre lots and the Council re- quested that he submit a new plat with smaller lot sizes and open space. He also noted that it is a requirement that in rural platting each lot must contain 39,000 square feet of buildable land 6Y. feet above the water table to maintain a septic system. That requirement is not being changed by this ordinance amendment. He stated that he intends to move into this development. Regular Planning Cor,,,..,/ssion Meeting March 11, 1986 - Minutes Page 5 COrd. 8 Amendment, Cant.) J Commissioner Rogers stated that his concern is that the green space will become tax forfeit. Commissioner Bosell noted that the amendment says 'all zoning ordinances applicable to an R-l district' She felt that this should read 'all zoning requirements'. Commissioner Vistad felt that with the plat is laid out, you are encourag- ing sewer to come in. He sees it as creating a problem. Commissioner Bosell stated that those will be new homes being built and she didn't think that anyone incurring the cost of a septic system would be willing to abandon that system and paying the cost of hooking up to sanitary sewer. Mr. Rogers asked what is going to stop the city from doing this in other areas where there are 27. acre lots. Mr. Schra~tz stated that we shoudl establish where our ultimate sewer line is going to be. We only have limited capacity through the Coon Rapids interceptor which ~~ill limit where the sewer goes. Ms. Bosell noted that she doesn't like the wording of the amendment. It isn't clear on what we are trying to accomplish. There is nothing in the amendment stating that the developer and the city need to have a covenant regarding the open space. Chairman Jacobson asked if any of the Commissioners are against the concept of setting aside property for green space and platting smaller lots. There were three commissioners against the amendment. Ms. Bosell didn't feel that enough thought had been given to this item. Everything has not been considered. MOTION by Vistad, seconded by Rogers that the Andover Planning and Zoning Commission rp.commend to the City Council that Ordinance 8EE dealing with R-l Transition Area not be implemented because it is not actually serving what the majority of the people in the community are wanting to accomplish. ~iscussion: becoming tax He felt that Commissioner Rogers is still concerned with the green space forfeit. He stated that he is not dead against the concept. we can come up with something that will make everyone happy. Commissioner Bosell stated that she would like to see some staff input as to what could happen and how we can protect what we want to do and accomplish the same thing and work on how it would work to protect the rural area until such time as sewer and water are extended. If the motion passes, the City Council can still adopt the ordinance amendment as it is now written. They can override our recommendation. MOTION by Vistad, seconded by Rogers to withdraw the motion. MOTION by Bosell, seconded by Vistad that we hold this item over to the March 25th meeting and in the meantime receive from the staff additional Regular Planning Co. /asion Meeting March 11, 1986 - Minutes Page 6 COrd. 8 Amendment, Cant.) \ ~__J input on how this would work, and how it would protect the open space from going tax forfeit. Further, the City Attorney is directed to draft an amendment dealing with the concerns of the Planning Commisison. Motion carried unanimously. This item will be continued to March 25, 11986. BATSON VARIANCE CCOMM. #3-86-1) The Commission was not sure what Mr. Batson is asking for. MOTION by Bosell, seconded by Pirkl that we send this requestc, back to the applicant aksing for more information on what he wants to do. ORDINANCE DISCUSSION Several ordinance violations in the city were noted. MOTION by Rogers, seconded by Vistad to adjourn. Motion carried. Meeting adjourned at 9:53 P.M. Respectfully submitted, ~.~ Vicki Volk Commission Secretary