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HomeMy WebLinkAboutJune 24, 1986 .:~ ~~ ~j , , "-.J u CITY of ANDOVER REGULAR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING-AGENDA JUNE 24, 1986 Call to order - 7:30 P.M. Approval of Minutes l. Comma #3-86-3 2. Comm. #6-86-4 3 . Comma #6-86-5 4 . Comma #12-85-5 5. Comma #6-86-6 6 . Comma #5-86-6 7 . Comma #3-86-5 8 . Comma #6-86-7 Adjournment Nightingale Estates 3rd Addition Preliminary Plat Public Hearing Richard Bassing Special Use Permit Public Hearing Clyde Smith Sketch Plan Oak Bluff Preliminary Plat Public Hearing, Cont. Downtown Center Site Plan Rezoning Public Hearing, Cont. (Former Conroy property) Ordinance 8, Section 8.07, Cont. Ordinance 8, Section 6.02 (Floor Area) Discussion ) lJ lJ ( ~) CITY of ANDOVER REGULAR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING JUNE 24, 1986 - MINUTES The regularly scheduled Andover Planning and Zoning Commission meeting vas called to order by Chairman Don Jacobson at 7:30 P.M., Tuesday, June 24, 1986 at the Andover City Hall, 1685 Crosstown Boulevard N.W., Andover, Minnesota. Commissioners Present: Commissioners Absent: Also Present: Apel, Jovanovich, Pirkl, Bosell, Rogers, Vistad None City Engineer, Jim Schrantz; Gary Dehn; Ken Gust; Richard Bassing;Larry Stenquist; Steve Erickson; others APPROVAL OF MINUTES June 10, 1986 MOTION by Pirkl, seconded by Rogers to approve the minutes of June 10, 1986 as vritten. Motion carried on a 6 yes, 1 present (Vistad) vote. NIGHTINGALE ESTATES 3RD ADDITION PRELIMINARY PLAT PUBLIC HEARING (#3-86-3) '~ Chairman Jacobson stated that he has not seen a grading plan and that ) there are a couple of lov lots. Lot 1, Block 1 needs to be filled. Ken Gust - stated that the lov lots will be filled with fill from Lot 4. Commissioner Apel noted that on the plat it says that the street is 1000 feet long; hovever, it looks longer than that. Mr. Gust stated that it's 2550 feet. Commmissioner Rogers asked where the drainage will go. Mr. Gust noted that the contour maps show the drainage. Jim Schrantz stated that we should have a temporary easement for the cul- de-sac and that it should be paved right up to the property line. Commissioner Bosell felt that the two legal descriptions on the plat should be combined into one. She also noted that the vidth of the existing 154th Lane is shown but not the type of surface: She asked if there vould be restrictive covenants. Gary Dehn - noted that Mrs. Olson may want to consider a minimum house size. /-...... 'J CommissiOner' Bosell also noted that the proposed density is missing from the legend. Mr. Gust noted that the density is 0.4 lots per acre. Ms. Bosell asked if they have gone to the Gust stated that he has the forms to take if the Park Board has reviewed the plat. coon Creek Watershed Board. Mr. into them. Ms. Bosell asked Mr. Dehn stated that they viII \ j Regular Planning Commlssion Meeting June 24, 1986 - Minutes Page 2 ~ ) (Nightingale Estates 3rd, Cont.) be taking cash in lieu of land. Ms. Bosell also noted that the commission should make sure that they agree that the east/west traffic flow as shown is the best use of the land. Chairman Jacobson noted that Lots 4 and 6, Bloc]{ 1 do not have the required front footage. Also, Lot 4, Block 2 should have the longer side as the front rather than the short side as required by ordinance. Mr. Schrantz noted that the water table is 884 and the minimum house elevation is 888. They plan to drain the water into the ditch system. The ditches are located on Ed Herman's property. He felt that they have a right to drain into those ditches because that is where the water drains at the present time. Mr. Schrantz also noted that the developers are proposing a rural section street. He felt that they could use the urban section liJ{e Lary Carlson uses. Mrs. Olson has petitioned for blacktop on l54th Lane. He also stated that the watershed should look at the ditch system as he dipn't know if the ditch system can handle the water. The mottled water table is not shown; it is not indicated on the soils report. At this time Chairman Jacobson opened the public hearing. Mary VanderLaan, 2120 - l54th Lane N.W. - asked if the 32' rural street has a bituminous surface. Mr. Schrantz noted that it does. Mrs. VanderLaan asked if the city is asking for a 24' street rather than a 32' street. Mr. Schrantz stated that his recommendation is the 24' street. We're matching the existing l54th Lane with this plat. MOTION by Vistad, seconded by Jovanovich to close the public hearing. Motion carried. Jim Schrantz noted that one thing the Andover Review Committee is concerned about is the long cul-de-sac and access to the proeprty to the south. Mr. Jacobson stated that on the original plan there was a stub going to the south. If that parcel develops, the very southern portion of this plat is a logical extension for an east/west street. Mr. Dehn stated that with farm land all around, it might be a long time before that property develops. Commissioner Bosell noted that the property to the southis agricultural and peat and so is the property to the north. Mr. Jacobson stated that there are a couple of items missing: 1) Temporary easement on turn around; 2) a couple of things on the legend; 3) Mottled water table; 4) Status of drain and flow rates; 5) Park Board recommend- ation; 6) Coon Creek Watershed letter. MOTION by Bosell, seconded by Rogers to continue this item to the next meeting (July 8th). , ~ ~ Regular Plannning Commission Meeting June 24, 1986 - Minutes Page 3 (Nightingale Estates, 3rd, Cont.) ~) \ MOTION by Apel, seconded by Pirkl that the Andover Planning and Zoning Commission recommend to the City Council approval of the preliminary plat of Nightingale Estates 3rd Addition legally described as 'The Southwest Quarter of the Northwest Quarter of Section 22, Township 32, Range 24, except that part of the East 300.00 feet of the Southwest Quarter of the Northwest Quarter of Section 22, Township 32, Range 24, Anoka County, Minnesota, lying South of the North 354.45 feet thereof and 'The East 300.00 feet of the Southwest Quarter of the Northwest Quarter of Section 22, Township 32, Range 24, Anoka County, Minnesota. Except the North 354.45 feet thereof, as measured along the East line of said Southwest Quarter of the Northwest Quarter.' being developed by Esther Olson and Gary Dehn, for the following reasons: 1) It is in conformance with the Comprehensive Plan; 2) The plat has been reviewed by the city engineer. He has noted problems with the soils, ditching and drainage. Approval of the plat is contingent upon these problems being solved by the July 8th Planning Commission meeting. The plat meets city ordinances with the following variances to be granted: 1) Lots 4 and 6, Block 1 for lot frontage. 2) Lot 4, Block 2 frontage will be on Uplander, which is below the minimum requirement. However, the building frontage for the house should be up to the discretion of the home buyer. Approval is contingent upon the temporary turnaround on 154th Lane being constructed. The Planning Commission did consider further extension to the south, but because of the soils to the south, the east/west street is satisfactory. It should be noted that a public hearing was held and there was no opposition. Motion carried unanimously. This will go to the City Council on JJuly 15, 1986. RICHARD BASSING SPECIAL USE PERMIT PUBLIC HEARING (COMM. #6-86-4) Richard Bassinq, 445-155th Avenue N.W. - stated that he is in the process of selling his home and that he doesn't want to start building another house before his home is sold. He would like to build a garage on the lot he intends to build his home on before he builds the home so that he can store his belongings. Chairman Jacobson asked if the garage will be a wooden structure. Mr. Bassing noted that it will be and will have the same siding as the house. Commissioner Bosell noted that the proposed garage will be 36' x 26'. She asked how big the house will be. Mr. Bassing stated that it will be 1700 square feet. Commissioner Rogers ntoed that his biggest concern is whether the house will be built. Mr. Bassing stated that he doesn't plan to build the garage until the sale on his house is final. If the house doesn't sell, he will not build the garage. Regular Planning Comn'h lion Meeting June 24, 1986 - Minutes Page 4 / (Bassing Special Use Permit, Cont.) Commissioner Vistad noted that he carne in once the house was sold. will be built. would be more comfortable if this request Then we would know that the new house Chairman Jacobson felt that we could contract for the sale of the house. be proper. make this contingent on seeing a Ms. Bosell didn't feel that would At this time Chairman Jacobson opened the public hearing. MOTION by Rogers, Seconded by Vistad to close the public hearing. Motion carried. MOTION by Jovanovich, seconded by Pirkl that the Andover Planning and Zonign Commission recommend to the City Council approval of ahe Request of Richard Bassing for a Special Use Permit to construct an accessory building prior to the construction of the principal structure on the property described as Lot 7, Block 2, Oak Hollow for the following reasons: 1) It will not be detrimental to the health, safety or general welfare of the community; 2) it will not cause serious traffic congestion; 3) It will not depreciate surrounging property values; 4) It meets the intent of the Zoning Ordinance and the Comprehensive Plan. It should be noted that a public hearing was held and there was no opposition. / AMENDMENT TO MOTION by Jovanovich, seconded by Apel that approval be contingent upon receipt of documentation on the sale of the present home. Discussion: Commissioner Bosell didn't feel that the contingency should be in the motion. She stated that she will vote against the motion if that statement is left in. Vote on amendment: 7 no, 0 yes. Motion fails. Vote on m~,in motion: 6 yes, 1 no (Rogers) vote. Motion carried. This will go to the City Council on July 15, 1986 CLYDE SMITH SKETCH PLAN (COMM. #6-86-5) Larry Stenquist - stated that his uncle, Clyde Smith, has 11+ acres on 159th Avenue and the Rum River. The City Council requested that the lot on the river be 4 acres to comply with the Scenic River Ordinance. They also stated that he could get a variance for the frontage on the other lots. From his calculations, there are 11.44 acres. If you deduct the 4 acres, it leaves 2.48 acres for the other three lots. He did note that when the surveyor does the preliminary plat the exact measurements will be known. Mr. Stenquist also noted that there are tllO streets involved _ Roanoke is only 50' wide and 159th is graveled. The Council has said that because Roanoke has been maintained by the city for six years, it is a city street. He noted that the northeast corner of Lot 5 is shown in two places on the drawing. That will be determined when the property is surveyed. Commissioner Bosell explained that the setback from the river is 150 feet from the ordinary high water mark or 30 feet from the bluff line, which- Regular Planning Com~~_Jion Meeting June 24, 1986 - Minutes Page 5 ~ ) ) (Smith Sketch Plan, Cont.) ever is greater. She also noted that Roanoke is only 25' wide and turns into Marystone Bou~e"ard, which the Public Works Department has a hard time turning around in. Commissioner PirJ~l asked if he will still be able to build on the 2.3 acre lots. Mr. Jacobson stated yes, we can grant a variance for those lots. He then noted that Council talked about having 159th blacktopped, but because it's outside of this plat, we probably can't require it. DOWNTOWN CENTER SITE PLAN (COMM. #6-86-6) Steve Erickson, Paul Pink and Associates - stated that the center will be a one level enclosed mall with two major tenants, a 30,000 square foot supermarket and an 18,000 square foot drug store, hardware store and variety store. The building will be located 60 feet from the rear lot line to allow for employee parking in the back. Access will be the current access for the strip center, along with three additional access points _ one off Round Lake Boulevard, one off bunker Lake Boulevard and one will be about 250' off Quay Street. Lighting will be the same as for the strip center. The refuse area will be in the rear of the building. The center itself will be a unique concept. They will be utilizing a sidewalk within the mall. They also intend to have a higher ceiling element to give it an outdoor feeling. This concept is unique in the Twin Cities area. The exterior of the building will be the same materials as the strip center. / He noted that they are trying to make it look like one continuous building. There will planters up against the building and landscaping along Round Lake Boulevard and Bunker Lake Boulevard. There is a storm sewer line between the two buildings and they may utilize the retention ponds in the corner of the property. Chairman Jacobson asked what the proposed domed recreation area is that is shown outside of the Shopping Center area. Mr. Erickson that there were discussions_*ith the Council regarding a recreation area being developed as a joint venture between the city and the developer. The area would be used for indoor athletic events, meetings and activities for the center. Wayne Anderson - stated that there are no agreements for the recreation area; it's only been discus$ions. He also noted that the first plan that they submitted, which was approved by the Planning Commission and the Council, differs greatly because that plan was a strip shopping center. Mr. Erickson noted that there is an agreement between the residents the developer for an 8 foot fence between them for the strip mall. are hoping to continue the fence behind the new building. and They Commissioner Pirkl asked if the containers or brick enclosures. brick enclosures. refuse area would just be the green Mr. Erickson noted that they will be Commissioner Rogers asked if they are proposing any fire hydrants for the back of the building. Mr. Erickson noted that the building will be sprinklered. The Fire Marshal feels that the fire hydrants in the front will be adequate. i '-- J Regular Planning Commission Meeting June 24, 1986 - Minutes Page 6 REZONING PUBLIC HEARING, CONT. (FORMER CONROY PROPERTY) (COMM. #5-86-6) This item will be continued to the next meeting. ORDINANCE 8, SECTION 8.07, CONT. (COMM. #3-86-5) Commissioner Bosell noted that two things need to be done with the sign section of the ordinance: 1) it doesn't belong in the zoning ordinance; and 2) it needs to be updated. We need to look at what we really want to allow. Ms. Bosel1 will work on this item and it will be on the agenda for the first meeting in September. ORDINANCE 8, SECTION 6.02 (FLOOR AREA) (COMM. #6-86-7) The City Council directed the Commission to hold a public hearing to increase the floor area for single family homes from 960 square feet to 1040 square feet. The reasoning is that we're 'running out of land. This is basically in the urban area. Commissioner Bose11 noted that first time home buyers and retired people will not be able to afford a bigger house than 960 square feet. By increasing the floor size we are discouraging these people from buying homes. A public hearing will be held on this item on July 8th. Chairman Jacobson noted that the Council suggested that the Commission corne up with a better way of letting people move lot lin~s. Bill Hawkins suggested adding a new section to Ordinance 10. This could be approved by the Zoning Administrator rather than corning to the Planning Commission and the Council. Mr. Jacobson noted that he has drafted some language for this amendment. A public hearing will be held on July 8th. WOODLAND MEADOWS Chairman Jacobson noted that Sylvia Britton asked if we could schedule a special meeting to deal with just this plat because of a conflict with the July 8th meeting. It was decided that this will be held on July 2nd at 7:30 P.M. Several ordinance violations in the city were discussed. MOTION by Ape1, seconded by Rogers to adjourn. Motion carried. Meeting adjourned at 10:06 P.M. ) Respectfully submitted, LL- ,~ Vicki Vo1k - Commission Secretary