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HomeMy WebLinkAboutJuly 8, 1986 (~ ~:) u CITY of ANDOVER REGULAR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING- AGENDA JULY 8, 1986 Call to order - 7:30 P.M. Approval of Minutes - June 24, 1986 1. Comm. #12-85-5 2. Comm. #3-86-3 3. Comm. #6-86-8 4. Comm. #6-86-9 5. Comm. #6-86-10 6. Comm. #6-86-11 7. Comm. #6-86-7 ~J 8. Comm. #6-86-12 9. Comm. #6-86-13 10. Comm. #5-86-6 11 . 12. ~ Oak Bluff Preliminary Plat Public Hearing, Cont. Nightingale Estates 3rd Addition Review Gary Gilpin Variance Andover Partners Variance Andover Partners Variance Andover Partners Variance Ordinance 8, Sec. 6.02 Public Hearing Ordinance 10, Sec. 14.01 Public Hearing Transient Merchant Ordinance Discussion Rezoning Public Hearing, Cont. (Former Conroy Property) Ordinance Discussion Adjournment CJ l~ ,~ CITY of ANDOVER REGULAR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING-MINUTES JULY 8, 1986 The Regularly Scheduled Andover Planning and Zoning Commission meeting was called to order by Chairman Jacobson at 7:30 P.M, Tuesday, July 8, 1986 at the Andover City Hall, 1685 Crosstown Boulevard N.W., Andover, MN. Commissioners Present: Commissioners Absent: Also Present: Apel, Bosell, Jovanovich, Pirkl, Rogers, Vistad None Gary Gilpin; Jeff Wickert; Esther Olson; Ken Gust; Chuck Cook; City Engineer Jim Schrantz; City Building Official Dave Almgren; others APPROVAL OF MINUTES-JUNE 24, 1986 MOTION by Pirkl, seconded by Rogers to approve the minutes of June 24, 1986 as written. Motion carried unanimously. QAK BLUFF PRELIMINARY PLAT PUBLIC HEARING, CONT. (COMM. #12-85-5) Chairman Jacobson stated that because the plat was delivered to City Hall at 4:00 today no one has had time to review it and suggested that it "."\ be tabled to our next meeting. ,-J MOTION by pirkl, seconded by Rogers to continue this item to the next regularly scheduled meeting. Motion carried. NIGHTINGALE ESTATES 3RD ADDITION REVIEW (COMM. #3-86-3) City Engineer Schrantz noted that the Coon Creek Watershed doesn't want any ponding. He also stated that he is satisfied with the corrections that were made on the plat. MOTION by Bosell, seconded by Rogers to grant a variance for the definition of lot front for Lot 5, Block 5. Motion carried unanimously. GARY GILPIN VARIANCE (COMM. #6-86-8) Janet Gilpin, 9975 Butternut Street N.W., Coon Rapids - stated that the Zoning Ordinance requires a 1200 square foot house in Cedar Crest Estates. The house they want to build is 960 square feet. She noted that she has done some research to obtain the square footages of the houses in the area. The existing houses are 960 square feet to 1127 square feet. Based on this information, they feel justified because a 1200 square foot house would not fit into this area. u Chairman Jacobson explained that Cedar Crest Estates is in an area where they can build only on every other lot. Mr. and Mrs. Gilpin own two lots and have had them combined into one. Commissioner Apel noted that the ordinance was adopted in 1971 and all of the houses in the area, except one, were built before that time. Regular Planning Co~, July 8, 1986 - Minutes Page 2 ion Meeting / , ~ ) Commissioner Vistad didn't feel that the resale would be there for a 1200 square foot house. Gary Gilpin - stated that they are having the plans redrawn for their house and that it will be 996 square feet. MOTION by Pirkl, seconded by Jovanovich that the Andover Planning and Zoning Commission recommend to the City Council approval of the request of Gary and Janet Gilpin for a 204 square foot variance to build a 996 square foot house in an area zoned for 1200 square foot houses (specifically Lots 8 an 9, Block 1, Cedar Crest Estates), for the following reasons: 1) The other houses in the area are under 1200 square feet; 2) It will not affect the existing or potential use of adjacent land. Discussion: Commissioner Rogers stated that he would prefer 1040 square feet but would go along with 1008 square feet. Vote on Motion: Yes - Jovanovich, Pirkl, Jacobson, Vistad; No - Rogers, Bosell, Apel. Motion carried. This will go to the City Council on August 5, 1986. WOODLAND MEADOWS PRELIMINARY PLAT Pat Noll, 17506 Verdin Street N.W.- the proposed main road going into the plat will be between her property and her neighbor's. She asked why the main road into the subdivision couldn't be moved so that it doesn't inter- fere with these properties. She felt that 176th or 174th should be the main road. Commissioner Bosell explained that 176th Lane is there because you can't have blocks that are more than 2 lots deep. The driveways will not be allowed to front on Verdin Street. ANDOVER PARTNERS VARIANCE (COMM. #6-86-9) Jeff Wickert, Boisclair Corporation-stated that they are asking for three variances. One of the variances if for 5.5 parking spaces per 1000 square feet; one is for the parking spaces to be 9 x 18' rather than 10x20'; and the third is for IS' of green area rather than 20'. Mr. Wickert noted that in 1981 they were granted a variance for the 5.5 parking spaces. He didn't know if that variance was still effective so they applied for another one. Chairman Jacobson felt that the variance would still be valid. Mr. Wickert explained that the parking stalls would be 9'x20' along Round Lake Boulevard and 9'x18' along Bunker Lake Boulevard. By reducing the size of the parking stalls it will allow the anchor tenants to expand. Mr. Jacobson stated that he spoke to some car dealers and they said that cars are getting larger again. Commissioner Rogers asked what will happen if they run out of parking spaces. Mr. Wickert noted that he is trying to plan for that. Their concept is to work around the drainage ponds and the well house. If they put the recreation area in, parking will be needed for that. , ! ,-j Regular Planning Commission Meeting July 8, 1986 - Minutes Page 3 Steve Erickson, Paul Pink and Associates - noted that in order to comply with the ordinance, they had to down-size the p~rking. Commissioner Apel felt that the parking has to be addressed very carefully. Mr. Rogers stated that he would like lO'x20' stalls, but would go along with 9'x18' stalls. Commissioner Bosell noted that the plan shows the parking stalls on the west side to be 9'x20'. She felt that we should tie them into that. Mr. Erickson noted that if they go to 10' X 20' stalls, they wuld lose 30 to 50 parking stalls. MOTION by Vistad, seconded by Pirkl that the Andover Planning and Zoning Commission recommend to the City Council approval of a variance requested by Andover Partners for Lot 2, Block 3, Andover Community Shopping Center for a change in size of parking stalls from 10'x20' to 9'x18' for the following reasons: 1) It will not adversely affect the existing or potential use of adjacent land; 2) It is not in conflict with the Comp- rehensive Plan; 3) It is a better use of the land. Vote on motion: Apel, Jacobson. the City Council Yes: Bosell, Pirkl, Motion carried on a on August 5, 1986. Rogers, Jovanovich, Vistad; No - 5 yes, 2 no vote. This will go to ANDOVER PARTNERS VARIANCE (COMM. #6-86-11) Jeff Wickert - noted that the ordinance states that the setback from the parking to the street is to be no less than 5 feet. The ordinance also states that there must be landscaped area within the property line of 20'. He felt that these two areas of the ordinance are in conflict with each other. He also noted that with the County green space and their 15 feet, they will have 55' of green space. He also noted that if they put in 20' they will lose one row of parking. It would also do away with the 24' required fire lane. Comissioner Rogers didn't see any problem with this as long as the County has enough right of way. Chairman Jacobson asked if there will be some sort of median on Round Lake Boulevard and on Bunker Lake Boulevard. Mr. Wickert noted that there is already a median on Round Lake Boulevard and the County plans to put one on Bunker. When this is done, there will only be right turn exits from the shopping center. MOTION by Pirkl, seconded by Vistad that the Andover Planning and Zoning Commission recommend to the City Council approval of a variance requested by Andover Partners on Lot 2, Block 3, Andover Community Shopping Center to reduce the landscape area along Round Lake Boulevard and Bunker Lake Boulevard from 20' to 15 feet for the following reasons: 1) It is not in conflict with the Comprehensive Plan; 2) It will not adversely affect existing or potential use of adjacent land; 3) It is a more reasonable use of the land. Motion carried unanimously. This will go to the City Council on August 5, 1986. '- j Regular Planning Commission Meeting July 8, 1986 - Minutes Page 4 / ~ Recess 8:55 - Reconvene 9:09 ; Chairman Jacobson stated that during the recess the secretary checked on the variance for the 5.5 parking spaces and found that it was approved by the council. Therefore, this variance is not required and the fee should be refunded. MOTION by Pirkl, seconded by Rogers to refund the fee paid by Andover Partners for their variance request. Motion carried. Mr. Jacobson then noted that he talked to Chuck Cook and the new drawing of Oak Bluff has no changes on it. Mr. Schrantz also that he had no problems with it. ORDINANCE 8, SECTION 6.02 PUBLIC HEARING (COMM. #6-86-7) Chairman Jacobson opened the public hearing. amendment would increase the floor area of a 960 square feet to 1040 square feet. He explained that the single familly dwelling from Commissioner Bosell stated that in the June 10, 1986 Council minutes, the Council felt that because of the limited amount of land left in the urban area, the house size should be increased. She felt that this is contrary to what we did when we went from 13,000 square foot lots to 11,400 square feet. Mr. Jacobson stated that this would result in 80 square feet more per home at a cost of approximately $5,000. Commissioner Pirkl stated that she would not want to build a large house for her retirement years. Retired people don't need 1040 square feet. Chairman Jacobson also noted that what precipitated this is that some of the homes proposed for Creekridge Estates were too small. Dick Schneider - stated that he would object to the bigger size because of the cost of fuel and the upkeep. If someone wants to build a larger house, they can. He felt it would be unfair to the public to adopt this ordinance amendment. Jana Balvin, 1419 - 146th Lane N.W. - stated that just more square feet doesn't mean you have a nicer house. should stay at 960 square feet. because you have She thought it MOTION by Rogers, seconded by Vistad to close the public hearing. Motion carried unanimously. MOTION by Vistad, seconded by Rogers that the Andover Planning and Zoning Commission recommend to the City Council adoption of the amendment to Ordinance 8 as presented for the following reasons: 1) It will not adversely affect existing or potential use of adjacent land; 2) it is a reasonable use of the land; 3) a public hearing was held and there was J some opposition; 4) it is in conformance with the Comprehensive Plan. Vote on Motion: Jacobson, Bosell. August 5, 1986. Yes - Vistad, Rogers; No - Pirkl, Apel, Jovanovich, Motion fails. This will go to the City Council on Regular Planning ComL "ion Meeting July 8, 1986 - Minutes Page 5 J ORDINANCE NO. 10, SECTION 14.01 PUBLIC HEARING (COMM. #6-86-12) Chairman Jacobson explained that this carne about because of the requests we have had from people who simply want to move lot lines and not create any additional lots. The Council has asked the Commission to look for some way to handle these instead of having them qo to the Planning Commission and the Council. At this time Chairman Jacobson opened the public hearing. MOTION by Rogers, seconded by Vistad to close the public hearing. Motion carried. MOTION by Pirkl, seconded by Vistad that the Andover Planning and Zoning Commission recommend to the City Council adoption of the amendment to Ordinance 10 as presented. Motion carried. This will go to the City Council on August 5, 1986. TRANSIENT MERCHANT ORDINANCE DISCUSSION (COMM. #6-86-13) MOTION by Apel, seconded by Rogers to move this to the next agenda. Motion carried. REZONING PUBLIC HEARING, CONT. (FORMER CONROY PROPERTY (COMM. #5-86-6) MOTION by Apel, seconded by Rogers to move this to the next agenda. Motion carried. OAK BLUFF PRELIMINARY PLAT MOTION by Pirkl, seconded by Jovanovich to rescind the previous motion regarding this item. Motion carried on a 6 yes, 1 no (Bosell) vote. Chairman Jacobson noted that he spoke with the people who were here earlier for this item and they are still present. Chuck Cook - stated that he has made the changes that were requested by the Planning Commission. The cul-de-sac has not been extended to the property line because of the soil conditions. They would have to cut 6 feet of soil and would end up with a vertical embankment. Chairman Jacobson asked how far back it would be. Ken Gust - stated that it would be 24 feet. Mr. Cook noted that they will be providing an easement to the property line. He will also be going to the Park Board again this Thursday. He has provided an overlay and the drainage easement along with a future resubdivision plan. He questioned whether the city wants on-site drainage. TKDA looked at the off-site drainage and they carne up with existing drainage easements along Hanson and building an overground drainage system to drain the water off this site. Mr. Cook stated that they cannot surface drain the water. The over ground system would cost $40-50,000. Mr. Cook felt that they have the ability to retain Phase I drainage on site and the capability for Phase II also. Commissioner Bosell asked when Phase II will be done. Mr. Cook stated Regular Planning Con ion Meeting July 8, 1986 - Minutes' Page 6 / that will happen when sewer and water are available, but he cannot petition for services. Chairman Jacobson asked if the city will be taking the green space. Mr. Cook stated that tlley will be leasing it from him. Mr. Jacobson asked if he can drain water onto city property. Jim Schrantz, City Enqineer - stated that the ciyt has no use for that land. He noted that his concern is that on the future plan, the pond is four times larger than on Phase I. He asked who would pay for storm sewer in Phase II. He wants to be sure that Phase II is subdividable. Mr. Jacobson noted that there should be a turnaround on the north end of Bluebird Street. He asked Mr. Cook if he has resolved the problem of the water draining onto Winslow Holasek's property. Mr. Cook explained that there is a holding area between Lots 1 and 2, Block 2. The only water draining into Holasek's property is what's draining there today. Commissioner Bosell noted that Lot 4, Block and Lot 1, Block 2 will front on 148th Ln. Mr. Jacobson asked if a letter had been received from the Anoka county Highway Department. Mr. Cook said that they only want 2 accesses from the plat. Mr. Jacobson stated that the basement floor elevations on Lots 1 'and 2, Block 2 should be a minimum of 897. They are shown as 895. Also, Lot 5, Block 4 should be._897. Lots 9 and 10, Block 4 should be 894; they are shown as 892. Mr. Schrantz noted that we have to make the adjustments on the lowest floor elevations. He hadn't checked on the 100 year elevations. He felt that the ponds look like they will work. Mr. Cook felt that the pond size, the minimum floor elevations and the one setback are minor. Jana Balvin, 1419 - 146th Lane - asked if the drainage ponds will where they are shown. Mr. Jacobson stated that they will have to they are shown on the preliminary plat. stay be where MOTION by Vistad, seconded by Rogers to close the pUblic hearing. carried. Motion MOTION by Apel, seconded by Rogers that the andover Planning and Zoning Commission recommend to the City Council approval of the preliminary plat of Oak Bluff legally described as 'The north half of the Northwest Quarter of Section 26, Township 32, Range 24, Anoka County, Minnesota except the east 100.00 feet there9f' being developed by Continental Development Corporation for the following reasons: 1) A public hearing wa3 held; there was considerable opposition; 2) the plat is in conformance with the Comprehensive Plan; 3) The plat has been reviewed by the City Engineer; 4) the plat has been reviewed by the Anoka County Highway Department and their letter is on file; 5) The Park Board recommendation has been received; 6) The plat meets the city ordinances with the following: a) for ~ur~ose~-of frontage, Lot 4 of Block 1 and Lot 1 of Block 2 will Regular Planning Corr~ 3ion Meeting July 8, 1986 - Minutes Page 7 front on 148th Lane , J Approval of the plat is contingent upon the following corrections being made: 1) Pad elevations for Lots 1 and 2, Block 2, Lot 5, Block 4 and Lots 9 and 10, Block 4 shall be changed and corrected to proper elevations; 2) there is a correction to be made on the setback on the corner lots (they should be 40 feet); 3) a temporary turnaround should be constructed on Bluebird Street. It should be noted that the extension of 148th Lane east to the property line was discussed, but it was found not be to feasible because of the topography. Approval is also contingent upon the signing of the legal document regard- ing the open space. This plat is also subject to the Planning Commission's review at their next regular meeting. Motion carried unanimously. This will go to the Planning Commission on July 22, 1986 and to the City Council on August 5, 1986. WOODLAND MEADOWS PRELIMINARY PALT REVIEW Mr. Schrantz noted that there is a problem with drainage on the east side of the plat. ; Commissioner Bosell noted that the long street needs to have a different name. It was suggested that it should be called Partridge Street down to 172nd. There are also several culverts missing. Lot 6, Block 3 will require a variance from lot front as it's 260 feet instead of 300 feet. Also, it doesn't give us the dimensions at the setback line. Mr. Schrantz felt that the plat layout satisfies the Commission; however, he thought we should get the Council's feelings on the east/west street. Mr. Jacobson asked if the drainage problem was sufficient to hold this over to the next meeting. Mr. Schrantz stated no, that it does not change the configuration of the plat. MOTION by Bosell, seconded by vistad that the plat be subject to the following being provided: 1) The long street beginning with Partridge on the north end of the plat going to the south should be renamed; 2) If the developer chooses to utilize the pond on Lot 22, Block 6, they need to provide easements for water overflow that would connect to the pond to the north and around Lots 13 and 14, Block 6; 3) Culverts need to be located in the following areas: a) at 174th and Thrush; b) Partridge just north of 175th Lane at the property lines of Lots 4 and 5, Block 7; c) 173rd Avenue at the property line of Lots 13 and 14, Block 6; d) Quinn Street between Lots 12 and 13, Block 7; e) Osage Street at the property lines between Lots 17 and 18, Block 7; f) Just north of 172nd and Uplander; 4) delineation and calculation of drainage easement on Lot 1, Block 7. Motion carried unanimously. This will go to the City Council on July 15, 1986. , I '--) Regular Planning Commission Meeting July 8, 1986 - Minutes Page 8 MOTION by Rogers, seconded by Pirkl to adjourn. Motion carried. Meeting adjourned at 11:10 P.M. Respectfully submitted, "{I' - .'}' / , ~ ()~V Vicki Volk Commission Secretary /