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HomeMy WebLinkAboutJuly 22, 1986 u u - , , CITY of ANDOVER "-...J REGULAR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING-AGENDA JULY 22, 1986 Call to order - 7:30 P.M. Approval of Minutes l. Comma #12-85-5 Oak Bluff Preliminary Plat Review 2. Comma #7-86-3 Hidden Creek East Sketch Plan 3 . Comma #7-86-4 New Generation Homes Sketch Plan 4. Comm. #7-86-1 Ordinance 8 Amendment Public Hearing 5. Comma #7-86-2 Tax Increment Financing Resolution 6 . Comma #6-86-13 Transient Merchant 7. Comma #5-86-6 Rezoning Public Hearing, Cont. 8:30 P.M. 8 . Work Session/City Council / "- -0 9 . Adjournment '~J u u (j CITY of ANDOVER REGULAR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING-MINUTES JULY 22, 1986 The regularly scheduled Andover Planning and Zoning Commission meeting was called to order by Chairman Jacobson at 7:30 P.M., Tuesday, July 22, 1986 at the Andover City Hall, 1685 Crosstown Boulevard N.W., Andover, MN. Commissioners Present: Commissioners Absent: Also Present: Apel, Bosell, Jovanovich, Pirkl, Rogers Vistad Chuck Cook; John Peterson; Wayne Bachman; others Transient Merchant Ordinance (Comm. #6-86-13) Commissioner Bosell stated that Fridley has adopted an ordinance that does not allow peddlers at all. She asked if we should get a copy of it. Chairman Jacobson asked if we want to outlaw all peddlers. It was decided that the receiptionist would call Fridley to obtain a copy of their ordinance and that this be continued to the next meeting. Rezoning Public Hearing, Cont. (Comm. #5-86-6) ~) This will be continued to the next meeting. Oak Bluff Preliminary Plat Review (Comm. #12-85-5) Chairman Jacobson noted that the attorney has not yet given us the contract for the open space. Chuck Cook explalined that he requested Mr. Hawkins to draft a proposed agreement for the open space and Mr. Hawkins said he would not draft anything until the Council takes some action on the plat. Mr. Jacobson stated that we need to know if Mr. Cook will retain owner- ship of the whole property or if the city will take title to the open space and then it would revert back to Mr. Cook. If the city takes title to the property, then putting water on that property would not be allowed. He felt that the agreement makes a big difference on this plat. He also noted that the Commission talked about a temporary turnaround on Bluebird Street but the City Engineer said he didn't need it. The easement on 148th Lane to the property line is indicated on the plat. Also, the elevations per Jim's memo need to be increased. Mr. Cook stated that the elevations were changed to bring them above the 100 year flood elevation. He said that he would discuss this with the engineer. '~j Commissioner Bosell asked if the grading will be changed when the lowest floor elevations are revised. Mr. Cook stated no, as now they can put a full rambler on those lots. / Regular Planning Commission Meeting July 22, 1978 - Minutes Page 2 (Oak Bluff, Cont.) / Mr. Jacobson told Mr. Cook to make sure the agreement is the way it should be because of the storm water. Mayor Windschitl stated that Mr. Menkveld's property was recently assessed $1,000 per acre just for an outlet. There is a ditch about a quarter mile away from Mr. Cook's property. He suggested making an agreement to drain out to this ditch. This will go to the City Council on August 5, 1986. Ne\~ Generation Homes Sketch Plan (Comm. #7-86-4) Chairman Jacobson stated that the Council reviewed this sketch plan at their last meeting. There was a prior agreement with the developer to develop this property. Council suggested that he plat four lots rather than three. Wayne Bachman, New Generation Homes - stated that they went to the Council with a plan showing three lots but Council suggested that they plat four. That causes a small frontage on the two north lots. One is 162 feet and the other 163 feet. They tried to move Lot 4 over to have more frontage on the blacktop. This property is 10 acres and is just about square. Chairman Jacobson noted that Lot 1 has a low area over the pipeline. He felt a lot of water would drain in that direction. Mr. Bachman thought that the water drains out to the north. that there is no standing water there now. He also noted Mr. Jacobson stated that where the cul-de-sac ends there is getting an easement because the property owner doesn't want go through. He asked if we should request an easement from over to the west. Even if a road isn't going to go through 15 years we should have that easement. a problem the road to the east going there for Mr. Bachman stated that if the easement is there, the house will have to be set back further which will result in a longer driveway. Commissioners Pirkl and Jovanovich felt the easement should be provided. Commissioner Rogers noted that there is only 20-30 feet of frontage on the cul-de-sac. Mr. Jacobson stated that the frontage is there but it is not constructed. He noted that only one lot has the required frontage. Lot 1 will require 2 variances, Lot 4 will require 2 and Lot 3 will require one. Mr. Bachman explained that the agreement was for three lots for 149th and Guarani Street. the three lots. that they pay the assessments They were satisfied with Commissioner Bosell stated that she doesn't like the configuration at all, but it's limited by its size. She would like to see the easement go as I ~ / Regular Planning Commission Meeting July 22, 1986 - Minutes Page 3 (New Generation Homes, Cont.) far west as it can. Mr. Bachman noted that the concept was that a road could be brought along the power line easement when sewer and water corne in. Hidden Creek East Sketch Plan (Comm. #7-86-3) John Peterson - stated this property includes two 40 acre parcels. Sixty of the 80 acres are currently zoned industrial, which they propose to rezone. Their primary concern is how to put in parks. They talked to one of the Park Board members who didn't feel they would want a 5 acre park but that they would want smaller parks. The county road (Crooked Lake Boulevard) will go all the way up to Bunker on the west side of the plat and down to 242. An east/west collector from Crooked Lake Boulevard to Hanson Boulevard will be built. The generally agreed upon location is the municipal line. There is a DNR protected wetland which the road will go around. To send a collector all the way through the plat would have caused them to lose too many trees. There are trees along the north part of the property. These lots are very deep. They plan to put a sizeable berm backing up to the tire pile. There are two cul-de-sacs on this particular arrangement. Mr. Jacobson asked who the property owner to the east is. Mr. Peterson noted that Stanton Realty owns it. J Dave Almgren thought the Council wanted Osage brought up through the plat. Mr. Peterson felt that Osage is the best thing that could happen to the city. It comes off 242 through the Oaks of Shennendoah. Coon Rapids has built it up to the municipal line. He also noted that one proposal is that Good Value would build one half of 133rd Avenue and the developer in Coon Rapids would build the other half. Commissioner Bosell asked if we know for sure the wetland is protected by the DNR. Mr. Peterson stated that it is protected. Mr. Peterson also stated that if the Park Board wants tot lots only, they have another plan. If they want one medium size park, they have a plan with a 1.2 acre park and 3 tot lots. Commissioner Bosell noted that the Comprehensive Plan says that mini-parks would be appropriate. She suggested that Mr. Peterson find out what the Master Park Plan calls for in this area. Ordinance 8 Amendment Public Hearing (Comm. #7-86-1) Chairman Jacobson opened the public hearing. MOTION by Rogers, seconded by Pirkl to close the public hearing. Motion carried. MOTION by Pirkl, seconded by Jovanovich that the Andover Planning and zoning Commission recommend to the City Council adoption of an amendment to Ordinance 8 as presented. ~ ) Regular Planning Commission Meeting July 22, 1986 - Minutes Page 4 (Ord. 8, Cont.) ~ ) J Motion carried on a 5 yes, 1 no (Bosell) vote. This will go to the City Council on August 5, 1986. Commissioner Bosell noted that she voted no because this is spot zoning and it is contrary to everything the ordinance stands for. Recess 8:49 P.M. - Reconvene 9:00 P.M. At this time, the Planning Commission met with the City Council to discuss various items. MUSA Boundary Mayor Windschitl explained that in the Coon Rapids interceptor we have capacity for 32,000 equivalent units. Some of our neighboring cities have asked for a decrease in their MUSA boundaries. Some of those cities have not used the capacity available to them. Our 1990 boundary shows little property left to be developed. The Metropolitan Waste Control Commission will not move the line if there is 5 years of development left. Mr. Windschitl noted that the pink line drawn on the map that was provided will probably be the city's final service line. Chairman system. creek. Jacobson asked how far north we can go with a gravity feed Mayor Windschitl stated that he was told that we can cross the Councilman Orttel stated that there are plans made for the properties in the MUSA boundary with the exception of a few parcels in Watts Garden Acres, Sonterre's property and the General Business district. There are only about 200 acres left to be developed. Councilman Lachinski explained that the Council will be holding a public hearing to establish a Tax Increment Financing District. The areas that will be cleaned up are the junkyards. After they are cleaned up, they will be redeveloped. Mayor Windschitl noted that all of the contracts vlould be subject to an environmental test. Mr. Jacobson asked if this means that the city is going to take the taxes from the land being developed and use that money to clean up the area and then sell it to someone who will develop it. Mayor Windchitl stated that is correct. This is the only way we're going to get that area cleaned up. He also noted that we will have 3 to 4 million dollars to work with. Chariman Jacobson noted that he prefers larger lots to smaller lots. He feels that we have planned intelligently. He also thought that the larger lots make the community look better. Councilman Knight stated that he would like to see us maintain the idea of larger lots. Mayor Windschitl noted that Lary Carlson has done a good job with Wood- land Terrace. The Oaks of Shennendoah in Coon Rapids is one of the best plats that has been done. Regular Planning Con~ .sion Meeting July 22, 1986 - Minutes Page 5 ~ ) J Commissioner Rogers asked if we will move the MUSA line on the west end of the city when the CAB interceptor is done. Mayor Windschitl stated no, the line is a permanent line. The CAB was designed to provide capacity for the small lots on the west side of the city. He suggested the Planning Commission talk about the MUSA boundary to see what direction it should be going. Commissioner Apel felt that we should draw a development line to prevent someone on the very north end from developing with sewer and water. Councilman Orttel felt that we owe it to the people in Lund's Evergreen Estates to take them out of the MUSA area. Councilman Knight felt that we would have leap frogging if we did not have development lines. Commissioner Bosell felt that we could draw development lines because the properties are owned by just a few people. Mayor Windschitl stated that the property owners north of the landfill were in with a petition for sewer and water prices. They were given prices and they went back to decide what they want to do. Most of the properties involved have shallow wells. He also noted that he would prefer the property owners to set the direction. He felt that once Green, Emmerich and Smith get their project going, we'll see the properties north of the creek moving. House Sizes/Lot Sizes/Side Yard Setbacks Mayor Windschitl stated that if you use the argument that there is a limited amount of land left to develop in the city, you have to do some- thing. The Planning Commission didn't want to increase the house sizes because the lot size has recently been decreased. He felt that maybe we should put back the five feet we took from the frontage of lots. Some of the developers are already increasing their lot sizes. Commissioner Bosell noted that Lary Carlson is corning in with larger lots and larger houses. Woodland Terrace is platted to R-4, but the homes have to be 1200 square feet. Chairman Jacobson stated that the additional square footage will add about $5,000 to the cost of the hosue. As people get older they are looking for a smaller home. He felt larger house sizes would be a burden. Mayor Windschitl felt that if we leave it at 960 square feet, we might get some type of development we don't want. Councilman Knight suggested requiring only a certain percentage of the homes in a plat to be 960 and the rest something different. Mayor Windschitl asked if we should go to an 85 foot lot. His feelings were that an 85 foot lot would look better than an 80 foot lot. / (Councilman Lachinski left the meeting at this time-lO:05 P.M.) Commissioner Bosell asked if the 85 foot lot would only be for the R-4 districts. She also didn't feel that we should require anything larger Regular Planning Co~n,...:~sion Meeting July 22, 1986 - Minutes Page 6 '-- j than a 960 square foot house. / Mr. Windschitl stated that the complaint he gets the most is that people expect new developments to be bigger. Councilman Orttel noted that other cities have different sizes for different style houses. Commercial/Industrial Properties Mayor Windschitl stated that we need to lock industrial/commercial area we want to have. areas of land for industrial. in on how many acres of Ramsey has set aside vast Commissioner Apel felt that we should look at the tax base as commercial will generate more tax revenues. Councilman Orttel felt that we need some retail. Beyond that, he didn't think we need much. Councilman Knight asked what type of business we are trying to get in the Tax Increment Financing area. Mayor Windschitl noted it would be smaller business, such as job shops or small manufacturing companies. Chairman Jacobson suggested taking everyting out north of Bunker Lake Boulevard, clean up the junkyards and make that a nice clean area. Councilman Knight stated that if the new school is built on Hanson and Bunker, we might want to ahve some retail in that area. Commissioner Bosell stated that she would like to see the properties along Hanson Boulevard remain industrial. Councilman Orttel felt that we should have some standards for commercial pole buildings. Mayor Windschitl asked that the Planning Commission put this item on their agenda for discussion and to get Dave and Jim to comments on it. Councilman Orttel also asked if there is some way to make sure that developers leave vegetation and trees when they are platting property. Tax Increment Financing Resolution MOTION by Pirkl, seconded by Jovanovich to adopt the tax increment financing resolution as presented. Motion carried unanimously. MOTION by Apel, seconded by Pirkl to adjourn. Motion carried. Meeting adjourned at 11:05 P.M. Respectfully submitted, ( I. /("/ / {LL d...{;..!~ Vicki Volk Commission Secretary ( '\ "- I \ '-J f ") --~ (J (J CITY of ANDOVER JOINT MEETING-CITY COUNCIL/PLANNING COMMISSION-AGENDA JULY 22, 1986-8:30 P.M. 1. MUSA Boundary 2. House Sizes/Lot Sizes 3. Side Yard Setbacks 4. Commercial/Industrial Properties 5 . 6. Adjournment