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HomeMy WebLinkAboutAugust 12, 1986 ,/ '1 ,-) ~ ~) L~ L~ CITY of ANDOVER REGULAR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING-AGENDA AUGUST 12, 1986 Call to order - 7:30 P.M. Approval of Minutes l. Comm. #7-86-4 2. Comm. #7-86-5 3. Comm. #5-86-6 4. Comm. #7-86-6 5 . Comm. #6-86-13 6. Adjournment New Generation Homes Preliminary Plat Public Hearing Ordinance 8, Section 6.02 Discussion Rezoning Public Hearing, Cont. (Conroy) Commercial Pole Buildings Discussion Transient Merchant Ordinance, Cont. l~ l~ ,r '\ '-./ CITY of ANDOVER REGULAR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING-MINUTES AUGUST 12, 1986 The Regularly Scheduled Andover Planning and Zoning Commission meeting was called to order by Chairman Jacobson at 7:30 P.M., Tuesday, August 12, 1986 at the Andover City Hall, 1685 Crosstm.m Boulevard N.W., Andover, MN. Commissioners Present: Commissioners Absent: Also Present: Apel, Bosell, Pirkl, Jovanovich, Rogers, Vistad None City Engineer, Jim Schrantz; Wayne Bachman; others ~pproval of Minutes July 2, 1986; July 8, 1986; July 22, 1986 - MOTION by Pirkl, seconded by Rogers to approve the minutes of July 2, 1986, July 8, 1986 and July 22, 1986 as written. Motion carried unanimously, with the exception of July 22, 1986; vote was 6 yes, 1 present (Vistad). Chairman Jacobson noted that at the last Council meeting whether or not the Mayor can vote. According to Robert's Rules of Order he cannot vote; however, the Council has rules that say he can. The Chairman of the Planning Commission cannot vote except in two circumstances. One is to defeat a motion and the "other is to break a tie. , .~ Indian Meadows 2nd Addition Preliminary Plat Public Hearinq (Comm. #7-86-4) Wayne Bachman, New Generation Homes - stated that they have straightened the easterly lot line of Lot 4. The drainage and utility easement along the south side of the plat has been shown. The minimum floor elevation has been raised to 870 on Lot 1. Also, the building setback lines have been added. Chairman Jacobson noted that the elevation on the northeast corner of the plat is 876 and he asked if that will be a problem because the basement elevation on Lot 2 is 873. City Engineer Schrantz stated that it will not be a problem because the water table is quite deep. Commissioner Apel noted that in the memo from the Andover Review Committee they had mentioned the jog along the property line between Lots 3 and 4 and that they would like to see it left there to save a tree. Mr. Schrantz noted that the Council asked them to straighten it out, but he went to look at the site and thought that they should try to save the trees. Commissioner Rogers asked if Lot 4 has access to the cul-de-sac. Mr. Schrantz noted that the Right of Way goes about to where the tree is. The builder would have to build a driveway onto our easement. '-)Mr. Jacobson stated that if they are extending 149th Avenue to the west, they should also dedicate that to the city for road purposes. The easement should be dedicated so that in the future we don't have to acquire the right of way Regular Planning Commis~~u~ Meeting August 12, 1986 - Minutes Page 2 (Indian Meadows 2nd Addition, Cont.) \ ) if we build a road. Commissioner Bosell noted that she went out to the site with Mr. Schrantz and that the tree on the north side is rather large. If you stand at the end of the cul-de-sac you can see right out to 7th Avenue. She could see no purpose in digging up the cul-de-sac and moving it to the end of the property. The people who already live there do not even touch the cul-de-sac. The cul-de-sac should stary where it is and the right of way up to the property identified as 'exception' should be dedicated and the remaining 30 feet would be road easement. At some point in time, 7th Avenue will tie into this. At this time, Chairman Jacobson opened the public hearing. Cynthia Staehle, 4310 - 151st Avenue N.W. - asked what type of homes they plan to build and asked why this is now four lots when it was three to begin with. Chairman Jacobson stated that they will be single family homes similar to what is in the area now. The Council felt that four lots would be a better and more reasonable use of the land. Mr. Bachman also stated that the homes will be comparable with the other homes in the area. He has a purchase agreement on Lot 4 and that home will be a 4-level split. 3rian Staehle - stated that he did not receive a public hearing notice. Mr. Jacobson noted that his name is on the list of property O~lners and he was mailed a copy of the notice and that the notice is also in the newspaper. Jerome Lapham, 14913 - 7th Avenue - expressed concern with the easement on the south side of the plat. He asked if by taking that easement, it will make the lot smaller than 2~ acres. Mr. Jacobson stated yes, but the other lots will be 2~ acres. He also noted that for good planning in the future, it only makes good sense to take road easement to come up to the property line. Robert Lot 4. We are Glumack, 4290 - 149th Avenue N.W. - asked how Mr. Jacobson noted that the idea is to leave only looking at taking an easement now. someone would get into everything as it now is. Mr. Glumack asked if Lot 3 would exit off of Guarani Street or 149th Avenue. Mr. Schrantz noted that the city would designate which would be the front of the lot. Brian Lubbers, 11447 Yukon Street, Coon Rapids - noted that he has entered into a purchase agreement for Lot 4 and he has some concerns. He felt that the Planning Commission is putting future residents in a bind. He stated that he is buying 2~ acres so that he has more room and the city is planning to take a road easement off of his property which will make his lot less than .2~ acres. He stated that he would prefer to have it as a utility easement rather than a road easement. / Regular Planning Commission Meeting August 12, 1986 - Minutes Page 3 (Indian Meadows 2nd Addition, Cont.) , ~ ) , Chairman Jacobson noted that if we don't take it for road purposes now, in the future we would have to obtain the easement. Mr. Lubbers noted that in 10 or 20 years, if the city wants to put a road in there, then the city could come to him to obtain the easement. Commissioner Bosell stated that we could require the road to be constructed to Lapham's property line right now, but we don't want to see it built at this time. In exchange for not requiring the road, we are asking for the easement. Mr. Staehle asked what the rules are regarding lot sizes. Mr. Jacobson noted that this is an R-l district and the lot requirement is 2~ acres. He didn't feel that we have ever had a plat that did not require some variances. Ms. Bosell noted that the lots meet 60% of the requirements for a 2~ acre lot. She didn't feel that they will ahve a detrimental affect on the surrounding properties. Commissioner Vistad noted that have access to a public road. sac. Lot 4 still concerns him because it does not He would like to see Lot 4 touch the cul-de- Mr. Schrantz stated that he is concerned about the 100 year pond so that we don't end up having a problem in the low area. Mr. Bachman noted that the pond elevations are being prepared. Mr. Schrantz then noted that the property was assessed for three units. He has asked that they be assessed for one more unit. We would escrow that money and use it for the future if it's built. Mr. Bachman stated that this has been discussed with the Park Board. New Generation Homes owns property by Kelsey Park, so they are looking at dedi- cating more property next to that park. He noted that they agreed to three units at the time the street was put in and that was with the intention that they would request three lots. He didn't know if the fourth lot was worth the assessment or if they should just have the three lots. When the cul-de-sac was talked about, they agreed to pay up to $2,000 to extend that cul-de-sac. That was something the Council was looking at. He didn't feel that they should be charged for the whole thing. Mr. Jacobson stated that that would be the Council's decision. He asked if New Generation would be doing any grading on the plat. Mr. Bachman stated no, they wouldn't be doing any grading. Commissioner Bosell suggested continuing this for two weeks because we don't have the road dedicated or the pond elevations. Mr. Bachman stated that he would like not to see the road dedicated but if :the plat is approved with the dedication, we would go along with it. That is not a significant change. Ms. Bosell asked what would happen if the ponding calculations show that there needs to be a ponding area. Mr. Bachman stated that then they would provide I ) Regular Planning Commission meeting August 12, 1986 - Minutes Page 4 (Indian Meadows Preliminary Plat, Cont.) / it. He also noted that there was some confusion between his engineer and what the city wanted. His engineer thought it was flood plain information and this property is not in a flood plain. Chairman Jacobson asked if the Commission felt that the lot line between Lots 3 and 4 should be changed so that the lot touches the blacktop. Commissioners Bosell and Apel preferred the angle between Lots 3 and 4. Commissioner Rogers stated that the plat looks fine to him. He noted that the developer and the public should understand that the road may never be built. Terry Geldaker, 15028 Guarani Street N.W. - asked if this will definitely be developed as four lots. Mr. Jacobson explained that the sketch plan was presented to the Council and they requested an additional lot be put in. They talked about the variances and they still felt that 4 lots would be a better use of the land than 3. Mr. Geldaker - stated that the lots look ridiculous on paper and they would look ridiculous when the houses are built. He asked if the Commission is still considering going back to three lots. 'r. Jacobson stated that the proposal in front of the Commission is for four lots. Mr. Lapham asked Mr. Bachman how he feels about combining Lots 1 and 2. Mr. Bachman stated that was the original proposal. He noted that this is a 10 acre parcel and with four lots, you come up with 2.5 acres each. But with the streets, it's difficult to come up with a drawing that has the houses not so close together on Guarani Street. MOTION by Rogers, seconded by Pirkl to close the public hearing. Motion carried. It was suggested that the Chairman talk to the Council to see if they want to stay with the four lots and have New Generation refuse to pay the additional assessment. Mr. Jacobson asked Mr. Bachman if he felt that a fourth assessment it economical for them. Mr. Bachman stated no, but if that is what it takes to get the Lubber's house built, then they will pay it. Mr. Schrantz noted that if we take the easement now, when 149th is built they won't have to pay the assessment at that time. MOTION by Apel, seconded by Rogers that we hold this over to our next meeting. ~n the meantime, the Chairman will go before the Council and discuss the ~hree lots vs. four and come back to the Planning Commission. Discussion: Mr. Bachman asked for a motion to accept either three lots or four lots so that the Lubber's house can be built. Mr. Jacobson stated that , / J Regular Planning Commission Meeting August 12, 1986 - Minutes Page 5 (Indian Meadows 2nd Addition, Cont.) / they can build a house on that property right now. He also noted that some- times the Planning Commission has tried to accelerate plats before and it has not worked out. At this time Chairman Jacobson called the vote on the question of whether a vote should be called on the motion. The following voted in the affirmative: Bosell, Apel, Rogers, Jovanovich. The following voted against: Vistad, Pirkl. Vote on Motion: Yes - Jovanovich, Rogers, Apel, Bosell, Vistadi No - Pirkl. Motion carried on a 4 yes, 1 no vote. This will be presented to the City Council on August 5, 1986. Recess 8:50 p.m. - Reconvene 9:02 p.m. Ordinance 8, Section 6.02 (Comm. #7-86-5) Chairman Jacobson noted that Council asked the Planning Commission to look at changing the lot width in R-4 districts from 80 feet to 85 feet. Back in 1983 it was changed to 80 feet. Commissioner Bosell noted that we have looked at minimum house size, lot size and now we're looking at lot width. She felt that this should be continued to the next meeting and some we should have some reasons why what we have now is not working. We should also get some comments from the Building 'fficial. She also noted that we went from 90' to 85' and down to 80' for lot width. One of the reasons we did this was because of the assessment costs. MOTION by Bosell, seconded by pirkl to continue this to the next meeting. Motion carried. Rezoning Public Hearing, Cont. (Conroy) (Comm. #5-86-6) Chairman Jacobson stated that this property is zoned Neighborhood Business and with the extension of the major collector going down to 242, he suggested that we rezone it back to Residential. Commissioner Bosell noted that if the north/south collector goes through this area, then this should not be rezoned. It was suggested that perhaps this could be rezoned to M-l or M-2. Commissioner Apel felt that with the Speedy Market already there and Good Value Homes proposing a Neighborhood Business district on Bunker Lake Boulevard this should rezone it. A public hearing will be held on September 23, 1986 regarding rezoning this property from Neighborhood Business to a residential district (R-4 or higher). Commercial Pole Buildings (Comm. #7-86-6) .r. Jacobson stated that Councilman Orttel felt there should be some criteria on how these buildings look. In a business district, should they have brick on them or be fixed up to look better than just a pole building? , J ) Regular Planning Commission Meeting August 12, 1986 - Minutes Page 6 (Commercial Pole Buildings, cont.) A copy of the Coon Rapids ordinance regarding these buildings will be obtained for the next meeting along with the city's commercial site plan application. Transient Merchant Ordinance, Cont. (Comm. #6-86-13) Commissioner Bosell felt that we have to have some way of dealing with people who are selling on private property, especially on the corner of Round Lake Boulevard and Bunker Lake Boulevard. There is a farmers market at Grace Lutheran Church that is operated by Jan Steffes and Bonnie Dehn. Ms. Bosell noted that she talked to Fridley and the ordinance they have does not do what we want to do. She asked them specifically about produce sales. In Fridley if they are selling food, they have to talk to the County health department. Mr. Jacobson noted that he marked up the Fridley and Coon Rapids ordinances and they will be typed up for the next meeting. Mr. Jacobson then noted that at the last City Council meeting, they had the Chuck Cook plat and they first turned it down but then reconsidered it and approved it. The Council wants us to take a look at the whole area. The Council has asked TKDA how much of the area north of the creek can be served with normal gravity flow. Council wants the Planning Commission to change the MUSA line to correspond with TKDA's recommendation. He felt that we \hould also talk about development lines and down zoning. I MOTION by Rogers, seconded by Pirkl to adjourn. Motion carried. Meeting adjourned at 9:55 P.M. Respectfully submitted, /~c Jfi/J l~ t!,~ Vicki Volk Commission Secretary