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HomeMy WebLinkAboutJuly 14, 1987 ~~ r, V ('") \J o o CITY of ANDOVER 7:30 P.M. l. 2. 3. 4 . 5 . 6 . 7. 8 . 9. 10. ll. 12. 13 . 14 . 15. 16. REGULAR PLANNING & ZONING COMMISSION MEETING - AGENDA JULY 14, 1987 Call to order Approval of Minutes Colonial Creek Preliminary Plat Public Hearing Woodland Development Lot Split, Cont. Ron Smith Lot Split, Cont. Renollet Trucking Mining Permit Public Hearing Oak Bluff 2nd Addition Rezoning Public Hearing Oak Bluff 2nd Addition Preliminary Plat Public Hearing Good Value Homes Rezoning Public Hearing Erickson-Gengler Sketch Plan Chateau Construction Variance Local Oil Variance Ordinance 8S Amendment Public Hearing Ordinance 8, Section 8.08 Amendment Public Hearing Discussion/Rezoning Commercial Park, Cont. Adjournment o o ::) CITY of ANDOVER REGULAR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING - MINUTES JULY 14, 1987 The Regularly Scheduled Andover Planning and Zoning Commission meeting was called to order by Chairman Maynard Apel at 7:30 P.M., Tuesday, July 14, 1987 at the Andover City Hall, 1685 Crosstown Boulevard N.W., Andover, MN. Commissioners Present: Commissioners Absent: Also Present: Bosell, Jovanovich, Perry, Jacobson, Vistad Rogers Dave Almgren, Building Official; Todd Haas, Assistant City Engineer; Lary Carlson; Byron Westlund; Dan Renollet; Chuck Cook; Mayor Windschitl; Don Hardle; Paul Gengler; Dick Carson; Herb Perry; others Approval of Minutes June 23, 1987 Page 4, 6th paragraph should be changed to read 'Chairman Apel addressed a petition presented by the residents of Quay Street, l38th Lane and l3Bth Court objecting to the plat due to people shortcutting through to the shopping center.' ,- '\ ,,_J MOTION by Perry, seconded by Jacobson to approve the minutes of June 23rd as corrected. Motion carried on a 5 yes, 1 present (Jovanovich) vote, Colonial Creek Preliminary Plat Public Hearinq, Cont, Chairman Apel reopened the public hearing. Byron Westlund, Woodland Development - stated that they have changed the plat with Marigold Street running through the center of the plat enabling traffic to exit off Marigold onto Bunker. All of the lots now meet the 11,400 square foot requirement. Commissioner Vistad noted that Lots 4 and 5 of Block 1 are in the flood- way. Mr. Westlund explained that on the grading plan those lots are shown as areas that will be filled. Commissioner Perry asked if the parking lot in the northwest corner of the plat will stay. Mr. Westlund noted that they would like that parking lot to stay there. He also noted that Lots 4, 9, 14 and 19 of Block 13 will require variances as they do not meet the average lot depth require- ment. ('~ Commissioner Jacobson questioned whether a letter of consent had been '-J received from the fee owners of the property. Mr. Westlund noted that the secretary has those documents. ~ ' u o Regular Planning Commission Meeting JUly 14, 1987 - Minutes Page 2 (Colonial Creek, Cont.) , , ,J Mr. Jacobson felt that the City Attorney needs to tell us whether we can use the entrance on the north end of the plat going into the golf course as it is park land dedicated with a different plat. He also felt that we should look at enlarging Rose Park. Lary Carlson, developer - stated that the Park Board doesn't want to enlarge that park. Commissioner Bosell noted that the only outstanding item is the DNR permit for filling in the floodway. Stuart Kinkade, 13781 Quay Street N.W. - stated that the residents in Northglen are concerned with people exiting down Quay Street into the shopping center. He also noted that Mr. Schrantz, the City Engineer, agreed that something should be done, such as a one-way street or curbing along the street. That issue has not been addressed tonight and Mr. Kinkade felt that it should be at this time. Chairman Apel noted that the Andover Review committee didn't make any direct comments in their memo regarding the problem on Quay Street. Commissioner Perry stated that the alignment as shown is the best for traffic flow, but we should be looking at some short-term solutions. ~) Mr. Kinkade felt that making a one-way street would be a good short-term solution. Todd Haas, Assistant City Engineer - noted that they haven't had time to review the grading plan. He will be meeting with the DNR on Friday. The staff would like to not allow any type of grading until the floodway boundary has been changed. MOTION by Vistad, seconded by Jacobson to close the public hearing. Motion carried unanimously. MOTION by Jacobson, seconded by Jovanovich that the Andover Planning and Zoning Commission recommend to the City Council approval of the preliminary plat of Colonial Creek as being developed by Woodland Development in Section 32-32-24 with the following conditions: 1) Variances will be granted for lot depth for Lots 4, 9, 14 and 19, Block 13; 2) Variances will be granted for average lot depth for Lot 34, Block 13 and Lot 1, Block 14; 3) Subject to the conditions outlined by the Park Board; 4) Subject to permits being obtained from the Corps of Engineers; 5) Subject to approval by the Coon Creek Watershed District. The Planning Commission expressed concern over the access to the golf course, club house and facilities through the park property on South Coon Creek Drive and request legal counsel to look at the legal require- ments over using this access. \ ) / Motion carried unanimously. This will go to the City Council on July 21, 1987. u./ U Regular Planning Commission Meeting July 14, 1987 - Minutes Page 3 (Colonial Creek, Cont.) / Discussion: Stuart Kinkade noted that the Andover Review Committee had recommended that sidewalks be placed along Marigold Street and that issue has not been addressed by the Planning Commission. Chairman Apel stated that the Commission didn't feel it was an important issue. Woodland Development Lot Split, Cont. Commissioner Bosell explained that the intention of Woodland Development is to trade parcels of land with the Meadow Creek Baptist Church. The lot split is basically moving interior lot lines. The request meets the ordinance requirements and she had no concern with the request. MOTION by Bosell, seconded by Jacobson that the Andover Planning and Zoning Commission recommend to the City Council approval of the lot split as it pertains to the property abutting Meadow Creek Baptist Church and the Colonial Creek preliminary plat for the following reasons: 1) the newly created lots meet or exceed the zoning requirements in area and dimensions; 2) the lot split does not circumvent the platting ordinance; 3) the lot split does not create any new lots; 4) it is in conformance with the spirit and intent of Ordinance 40 and the Comprehensive Plan of the City of Andover. , / Motion carried unanimously. This will go to the City Council on July 21, 1987. Ron Smith Lot Split, Cont. Commissioner Bosell stated that the request, as received, actually creates three lots and that she spoke to the surveyor who was to provide new drawings. Those drawings have not been received as yet. MOTION by Vistad, seconded by Jovanovich to continue this to the next meeting. Motion carried unanimously. Renollet Truckinq Mining Permit Public Hearing Chairman Apel opened the public hearing. Dan Renollet, 927 Andover Boulevard N.E. - stated that their intention is to dig a wildlife pond and move the dirt to nurseries and private homes. They will be mining approximately 10,000 to 15,000 cubic yards of dirt. Dave Almqren, Buildinq Official - noted that the existing grade on the property is 894 and they want to go down to 884. \ J Reuben Erickson, owner of the property - explained that they hired an engineer who will be providing a sketch of what the property will look like when the mining is done. Commissioner Jacobson asked if Mr, Renollet's insurance certificate had been provided to City Hall. Dave Almgren stated that they are licensed and their insurance is current. u u Regular Planning Commission Meeting July 14, 1987 - Minutes Page 4 (Renollet Mining Permit, Cont.) \ ; Todd Haas showed the commission what the grade will be like when finished. There will be a 4 to 1 slope around the pond. Ms. Bosell noted that the recommendation from Wildlife Management says the slope should be 5:1. It was noted that a bond is required for all mining permits and one needs to be provided by Mr. Renollet. Commissioner Vistad felt that a 4:1 slope would be better than 5:1 as the vegetation growth would be better. MOTION by Jacobson, seconded by Vistad to close the public hearing. Motion carried. .. ; , / MOTION by Jacobson, seconded by Perry that the Andover Planning and Zoning Commission recommend to the city council approval of a mining permit requested by Reuben and Mary Erickson on the property located at 15486 University Avenue N.W. subject to the following: 1) grading plan being changed to show a 5 to 1 slope instead of a 4 to 1 slope; 2) receipt of a certificate of insurance; 3) legal counsel's recommendation on bonding for damage to University Avenue that may result; 4) 20,000 cubic yard maximum of dirt removed. The mining permit will be good for one year from the date of approval by the City Council. The traffic plan will be 157th Avenue to University Avenue. It should also be noted that the wildlife pond is consistent with plans submitted. Motion carried unanimously. This will go to the City Council on August 4, 1987. Recess 8:35 P.M - Reconvene 8:45 P.M. Mayor Windschitl reported on a meeting held with the Metropolitan Council regarding the city's Urban Service Boundary, noting that they have given us a corridor that goes up to Pat Gaughn's property which includes the school site. This corridor is 40 acres wide. Included in this area are Hartfiel's Estates, the two 40 acre parcels above that and one 40 acre parcel of Winslow's property plus the school site. They removed the part of the Hills of Bunker Lake east of the railroad tracks. That part of the plat will not be able to be finaled until ano.ther request is made to the Metropolitan Council. Mayor Windschitl also noted that the tree farm property is not included and that property has been sold. The new owner has requested sewer and water and we can't give it to him. Some minor changes were also made in Shirley's Estates and Creekridge Estates. He then reported that the school district and the city have signed a purchase agreement for the school site and they plan to start construction this fall with completion in September 1988. " ; Oak Bluff 2nd Addition Rezoning Public Hearing Chairman Apel opened the public hearing. Chuck Cook, developer - noted that the Planning commission has seen the , / ~.) Regular Planning Commission Meeting July 14, 1987 - Minutes Page 5 (Oak Bluff 2nd Rezoning, Cont.) resubdivision plan and this plat is consistent with those plans. Chairman Apel noted that Oak Bluff 1st Addition was platted at 39,000 square foot lots. Commissioner Jacobson stated that there was an agreement made between the developer and the city and he asked if that agreement is still valid. Mr. Cook noted that it is a covenant that says no development of Out lots A and B would occur until sewer and water are available. Mr. Jacobson asked if we want to rezone this to R-4 (11,400 square foot lots) when Oak Bluff has larger lots. Commissioner Vistad felt that rezoning this property would be okay if the lots have 100 foot widths. An R-3 district would be ideal for this area. Dick Schneider, 1343 Andover Boulevard N.W. - noted that he is in favor of orderly development and this plat is the most disorderly development in the City of Andover. Coon Rapids is 25% open yet. There is also a lot of land in the southern part of Andover that isn't developed yet. Mr. Schneider didn't feel that there is a need for sewer and water in the area. He also noted that the School Board said that if they can't get city sewer and water, they would provide the utilities themselves. He suggested that we stick with orderly development; he is opposed to this rezoning. Janice Erickson, 1549 - 146th Lane N.W. - stated that she is opposed to the smaller lots. They treasure the open space and would like it to stay somewhat country-like. Ernest Trettel, 1412 Andover Boulevard N.W. - stated that he is opposed to the rezoning. Sewer and water are coming up to serve a few lots only and he feels we should go about this more systematically. Tom Anderson, property owner in Oak Bluff - stated that they are concerned about se~ler and water coming in. He would like to see Oak Bluff 2nd have larger lots. Jerry Herber, property owner in Oak Bluff - stated that his concern is the size of the lots and the type of homes that are going in there. He didn't think this was ideal planning for the area. Winslow Holasek - asked what the lot width will be. Mr. Apel noted that the lots will be a minimum of 80 feet in width. Mayor Windschitl - noted that the school district wants the sewer line brought up to the school site. He also noted that if you look at what is left for development in Andover, the only property left is Leroy Johnson's property. The way the Metropolitan Council and the city are looking at development, this is as orderly as we are going to get. , / / Regular Planning Commission July 14, 1987 - Minutes Page 6 (Oak Bluff Rezoning, Cont.) Meeting / Commissioner Jacobson stated that when Oak Bluff was platted, this resubdivision was shown on the plat and everyone knew that this would be coming in as it is. Commissioner Vistad noted that when this plat was in before, Block 4 was set up as a holding pond. If we look at going from 80' to 100' lots, by using Block 4 for lots, he would end up with close to the same number of lots using 80' frontage. Commissioner Bosell stated that he can't do that because he has to provide ponding, which is the reason for Block 4. Mayor Windschitl stated that in the whole process dealing with Out lots A and B, there were no promises made to Chuck that he would end up with 80 foot lots. Mr. Windschitl noted that the city has been trying to encourage him to go with larger lots. Chairman Apel suggested having larger lots along the perimeter of the plat and smaller lots in the middle. Mr. Apel suggested that this be continued to the next meeting. MOTION by Jacobson, seconded by Vistad that the Oak Bluff Rezoning be continued to the next meeting. motion carried unanimously. Oak Bluff 2nd Addition Preliminary Plat Public Hearinq Chairman Apel noted that the engineer recommended that the plat be continued until all items are included as set out is Ordinance 10. At this time, Chairman Apel opened the public hearing. Chuck Cook- stated that he presented a future resubdivision plan for this property which was acceptable and now that is being challenged. He also stated that he needs some answers regarding the ponding. Todd Haas - noted that when the ponding capacity was calculated in the first phase, the engineer included Block 4 as ponding. The Coon Creek Watershed District said they will not allow any more water to leave the site. Mr. Haas also noted that the Public Works Department wants Crane and Drake Streets connected. Chairman Apel suggested that Mr. Cook redraw the plat and decide if he would be willing to go with larger lots. The drainage issue does need to be addressed. Mr. Cook stated that when Oak Bluff was platted, the drainage was designed for 100 percent on-site retention. A retention pond was excavated in Outlot B for that purpose. Mr. Cook's engineer calculated the storm water for the plat and by using Block 4 as a ponding area, that will take care of the storm water for the whole plat. MOTION by Jacobson, seconded by Vistad to continue this to the next meeting. Motion carried unanimously. , \ ,..J Regular Planing Commission Meeting July 14, 1987 - Minutes Page 7 ,,) , / Good Value Homes Rezoning Public Hearing Chairman Apel opened the public hearing. Don Hardle, 502 River Lane, Anoka - stated that they are requesting a rezoning from R-4 to Neighborhood Business. Commissioner Perry asked what the total acreage of the property is that they are requesting to be rezoned. Mr. Hardle thought it was about one and a half acres. Because no one was sure how large the property is and where the road easements were, it was suggested that this be continued to the next meeting. MOTION by Bosell, seconded by Jovanovich to continue this to the next meeting. Motion carried unanimously. Erickson-Gengler Sketch Plan Paul Gengler, 14440 Crosstown Boulevard N.W, - noted that the triangle piece of property on the north side of the creek will be an outlot. Todd Haas noted that sewer and water will be in this area this summer. " i , Commissioner Vistad asked what will happen to the end of Quinn. Mr. Haas explained that it will be a 30 foot radius cul-de-sac with blacktop and curb and gutter. Mr. Gengler also noted that it is his intention to split Lot 6 (his home) into several lots some time in the future. Chateau Construction Variance Chairman Apel explained that the corner of the garage is encroaching on the easement by six inches. Commissioner Bosell asked if we need to vacate the easement. Dave Almgren stated that the variance should be approved and the easement does not need to be vacated. MOTION by Jacobson, seconded by Vistad that the Andover Planning and Zoning Commission recommend to the City Council approval of a variance for encroachment on the drainage and utility easement on Lot 1, Block 2, Creekridge Estates. The Commission finds the error of approximately 6/10 of a foot will not be detrimental to the plat or surrounding properties. Although the Planning Commission realizes this variance does not meet the letter of the ordinance in regard to hardship, we recognize the hardship was created by the builder and feel that this is of such minimal nature, we make an exception in this case. / Motion carried unanimously. Recess 10:55 - Reconvene 11:00 P.M. / , ,,~ Regular Planning Commission Meeting July 14, 1987 - Minutes Page 8 ~) / Local Oil Variance It was noted that this variance request is for a 35 foot driveway instead of the ordinance requirement of 30 feet. Commissioner Vistad felt that 35 feet is the proper width for the drive- way. Commissioner Jacobson asked what the reason is for the 35 feet. Herb Perry, Local oil - stated that this driveway will be shared by bo~ lots. Commissioner Bosell stated that it doesn't meet the intent of the variance section of the ordinance, but it does allow for the reasonable use of the land and it comes from a recommendation from the County Highway Department. MOTION by Bosell, seconded by vistad that the Andover Planning and Zoning Commission recommend to the City Council approval of the variance requested by Local Oil Company for Lot 2, Block 1, Local Oil Addition for the purpose of allowing the applicant to increase the south driveway that abuts Bunker Lake Boulevard to 35 feet in width. This will be consistent with the plat discussion at the time this was platted and the drawings were submitted, The variance is pursuant to Ordinace 8, Section 8.08 (D), ~ Though this does not meet the strictest intent of Section 5,04 of Ordinance 8, this variance would allow for the reasonable use of this property to continue and further in the letter dated December 24, 1986 from Bill Sironen of the Anoka County Highway Department, they suggest that 30-35' is an allowed measurement, Motion carried unanimously. This will go to the City Council on July 21, 1987. Ordinance 8S Amendment Public Hearing Chairman Apel opened the public hearing. ment is to change the requirement for the on all single family dwellings. He explained that this amend- 12 inch roof overhang required Dave Almgren noted that the problem is with the New England style salt box house. If you put a 1 foot overhang on that, it ruins the architectural design of the structure. He noted that several building permits have been applied for with this style house and they are in the $200,000 range. Commissioner Perry stated that she would prefer to have them go through the variance procedure rather than amending the ordinance. Mr. Jacobson suggested that the Building Official have a list of the styles that are acceptable. Commissioner Perry agreed and felt that the amendment should include the following: If the design does not meet the list of approved styles, it would go to the Andover Review Committee. ~/ u Regular Planning Commission Meeting July 14, 1987 - Minutes Page 9 (Ordinance 8S Amendment, cont.) ~ MOTION by Jacobson, seconded by Perry to close the public hearing. Motion carried unanimously. MOTION by Vistad, seconded by Jovanovich that the Andover Planning and Zoning Commission recommend to the City Council adoption of the amend- ment to Ordinance 8 as presented. Motion carried on a 5 yes, 1 no (Bosell) vote. This will go to the City Council on August 4, 1987. Ordinance 8 Amendment Public Hearinq Chairman Apel opened the public hearing. It was noted that this amendment will decrease the size of parking stalls from 10 feet by 20 feet to 10 feet by 18 feet. MOTION by Bosell, seconded by Vistad to close the public hearing. Motion carried. MOTION by Bosell, seconded by Vistad that the Andover Planning and Zoning Commission recommend to the City Council adoption of an amendment to Ordinance 8, Section 8.08 (C)(3). Also that Section 8.08(E) be amended. / Motion carried on a 5 yes, 1 no (Jacobson) vote. This will go to the City Council on August 4, 1987. DiscussionjRezoninq Commercial Park, Cont. This item will be continued to the next meeting. MOTION by Perry, seconded by Jacobson to adjourn. Motion carried. Meeting adjourned at 11:45 P.M. Respectfully submitted, u& Vicki Volk Commission Secretary , /