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HomeMy WebLinkAboutJuly 28, 1987 8 r, ,.J ~~ 7:30 P.M. o o CITY of ANDOVER REGULAR PLANNING & ZONING COMMISSION MEETING - AGENDA JULY 28, 1987 1. Call to order 2. Approval of Minutes 3. Oak Bluff 2nd Rezoning, Cont. 4. Oak Bluff 2nd Preliminary Plat, Cont. 5. Good Value Homes Rezoning, Cont. 6. Ron Smith Lot Split, Cont. ,7. Creekside Estates Preliminary Plat Public Hearing 8. Karin Trost Variance 9. Tony Emmerich Lot Split -10. Amend Ploodway Map Boundaries 11. Discussion/Rezoning Commercial Park, Cont. 12. Simplified Platting Process Discussion 13. Commercial Lot Splits Discussion 14. Adjournment o o :-\ '''-J CITY of ANDOVER REGULAR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING - JULY 28, 1987 MINUTES The regularly scheduled Andover Planning and Zoning Commission meeting was called to order by Acting Chairman d'Arcy Bosell at 7:30 P.M., Tuesday, July;28, 1987 at the Andover City Hall, 1685 Crosstown Boulevard N.W., Andover, MN. Commissioners Present: Commissioners Absent: Also Present: Jovanovich, Jacobson, Perry, Vistad None Todd Haas, Assistant City Engineer; Chuck Cook; Paul Gengler; Richard Erickson; Karin Trost; Tony Emmerich; Don Emmerich; Dave Spaulding; others Acting Chairman Bosell announced that Maynard Apel has been appointed to the vacant City Council position and Glen Rogers has resigned his position on the Planning Commission as he is moving out of the city. ~.P.P.E.9..Y3.L.9_L~1J-.E~.!~~_ MOTION by Jacobson, seconded by Vistad to continue approval of the July 14, 1987 to the next meeting. 93l:...!l]'~.L1E"!'}jjJ-.!J-.9.!U~~~.9.EJ-.Ejl..!_.9.9.E.!..:_ ~~) Acting Chairman Bosell explained that Mr. Cook has requested a rezoning to R-4, which ,~ is 11,400 square foot lots with 80 feet of frontage. The residents would like. the lots to be consistent with Oak Bluff, which is 100 foot lots. ~J1~.9~_~.9.9~..!_~..Y~]..9.P~.!: - s tat ed on the north abutting Oak Bluff will remain as they are shown. that his will be He also position has not changed; however, the lots 90 to 95 feet in width and the remaining lots noted that the cul-de-sacs will be eliminated. ~3.!_~.9~.E~..!_]'1]1_~_1~.!J1_~3.E~_E..:~..:_ - asked what price range the homes would be. Mr. Cook stated that there will be covenants that will restrict the prices. The houses on the northern lots will start at $130,000. ~J1~.9l:..~.9~.E_~_ - stated that apparently Mr. Cook has not come up with the 100 foot lots. He thought the covenants and the new lot sizes should be presented at the next meeting. Ms. Bosell noted that the price range of the homes is a private matter between the developer and the purchasers; the city cannot dictate what they will be. Commissioner Jacobson asked what the time table for the sewer system is. noted that it will be either late fall or early spring. Todd Haas ~3.EX_.!l~.!J1_~J-]']'J-3~~_ - stated that they just purchased a lot in Oak Bluff and their main concern in buying a lot was to have one acre and a septic system. ~~ !3.EJ-~_~.!~~'p..!_l]lJ_~_].~th_~3.E~_ - their concern was that they wanted to move to the country; they wanted a large lot. Pi.9l:..~.9~~i~.E..!_1]_4]_}~c1.?..Y~.E_1l.9~].~..Y3.E~ - stated that he is opposed to R-4 zoning. !he suggested an R-2 zoning. ,- "- Regular Planning Coooa~J~ion Meeting July 28, 1987 - Minutes Page 2 (Oak Bluff 2nd Rezoning) I \ U '\ / TO~_~Eders~E~-11jJ_:_]_~SE_~3~ - stated that R-2 would be desirable and R-3 would be a compromise. Ms. Bosell noted that Ordinance 10C virtually eliminated R-2 zoning. Co~~io~E_Vista~ - asked if the lots in the southern part of the plat are 80 feet wide what the price range of the homes would be. Mr. Cook stated that he could not answer that because he feels that the market is going to change dramatically in the spring and there may be quite a few lots available. Commissioner Perry asked if the property could be developed with septic systems. Mr. Haas noted that they would have to bring in a lot of fill. Commissioner Jacobson stated that the property has been discussed a lot. The sewer is one the way. Promises were mad~ by the city that when sewer and water were available this property could be developed. Mr. Jacobson felt there was a lot cnmmitted to the developer by the city on this piece of property. The property to the north of Oak Bluff will be coming in within a year and that will probably be developed at R-4 zoning. City policy is that when sewer and water are available, the lots can go down to a smaller size. Mr. Jacobson stated that he would rather have Mr. Cook give us an agreement that those lots be 95 to 100 feet; however, he would have to vote to go to R-4. Conditions cannot be put on a rezoning so it would have to be a gentlemen's agreement to plat the larger lots. r "- i " / Commissioner perry suggested a transition zone with the larger lots on the outside of the plat and the smaller lots in the center. She stated that she would be in favor of R-4. It was her understanding that the Comprehensive Plan says that we will develop the smaller lots in the Urban Service Area. Ms. Bosell noted that the resolution approving the density zoning for this property does not tie it to a specific zoning district. Mr. Cook, however, has requested that it be R-4. ~2]12N by Vistad, seconded by Jacobson to close the public hearing. Motion carried. Mr. Bosell noted that one thing Mr. Cook has not done is provide us with a drawing showing the changes he proposed. The commission has several choices - either approve or deny the request; try to encourage Mr. Cook to go to R-3; or recommend that R-4 be denied and that R-3 be applied for with a variance for the smaller lots. She noted that if this request is denied, Mr. Cook cannot apply for another rezoning for one year. Ms. Perry noted that if the Commission recommends R-4 and the Council accepts it and the property changes hands, the property will still be R-4. Acting Chairman Bosell asked Mr. cook if he would consider changing his request to R-3. Mr. Cook stated that he would not. Ms. Bosell explained that the city attorney has said that if we approve or deny a rezoning, we need to have facts to support the decision. She stated that she would like to see the motion be for denial and that it be R-3 with a variance for the southern lots being smaller. "\ ) MOTION by Jacobson, seconded by Perry that the Andover Planning and Zoning commission recommend to the City Council approval of the rezoning request of Continental Develop- o Regular Planning Commission Meeting July 28, 1987 - Minutes Page 3 (Oak Bluff Rezoning, Cont) / \ V '. > ment to rezone the property legally described as Outlots A & B, Oak Bluff from R-l to R-4 for the following reasons: 1) The Planning Commission makes note that the recent amendment to the Metropolitan Urban Service Area line was approved by the Metropolitan Council to include this property; 2) sewer and water will be available to this parcel within one year's time; 3) the land to the south is currently zoned R-4; 4) city policy is that when sewer and water are available, R-4 zoning is allowed; 5) Commission makes this recommendation to R-4 only, contingent upon when sewer is available for hookup this property will be buildable. There was considerable public input, most of which was negative to the R-4 zoning, but favoring R-2 or R-3. Vote on motion: Yes - Jovanovich, Perry, Jacobson; No - Bosell, Vistad. Motion carried on a 3 yes, 2 no vote. This will go to the City Council on August 18, 1987. 9ak_Bluff lEj__~ji~ion Preliminary Plat, Cont~ This item will be continued to the next meeting. f.E~~l~ii~U:~~~ Ie..L.!'.E~ 1 i.E1iE3.EL1'1-3~_!ubli.9_ HeaEEl\. Paul Gengler, 14440 Crosstown Boulevard and Richard Erickson, 14610 CrosstoHn Boulevard, the developers of the property, appeared for this item. ; Mr. Gengler stated the triangle piece He also noted that that they are platting five lots. north of the creek and combine it they would like the cul-de-sac to They would like to split off with the property to the north. have a 47~ foot radius. " Todd Haas stated that the city would like to have a 60 foot radius cul-de-sac. Acting Chairman Bosell noted that the Andover Heview Committee has suggested that approval ,of the plat be contingent on soil borings being provided. Mr. Haas noted that he has a partial report on the soil borings, but he needs to have elevations and locations. Mr. Haas then reviewed the ARC report noting the pro~erty is zoned R-4 which means 80' wide lots; however, the lots will be 90 feet in width. He noted that he met with the developers regarding the filling lots; they should not be in there filling right now since they don't have an approved preliminary plat. As far as the soils report, the ground water is encountered at 2.1 to 3.2 feet. A grading plan and lowest basement floor are also required. Also required are some of the zonings of properties within 300 feet of the plat, locations of gas, electric and telephone, a benchmark, utility easements. The plat needs to be submitted to the Coon Creek Watershed Board and also to the Park Board. At this time Acting chairman Bosell opened the public hearing. It should be noted for the record that no one was present who wished to comment. She noted that if the recommendation is to have a 47~ foot radius on the cul-de-sac, a variance Hill be required. The drainage and utility easement along the creek needs to be shown on the plat. Ms. Bosell stated that the Commission can either continue this to the next meeting or deal with it tonight contingent upon the missing items being shown. \ , ) MOTION by Vistad to continue this to the next meeting. Motion dies for lack of a second. ~ u Regular Planning Commission Meeting Jul~~28, 1987 - Minutes Page 4 (Creekside Estates, Cont.) , , J MOTION by Jacobson, seconded by Jovanovich to close the public hearing. Motion carried. MOTION by Perry, seconded by Jovanovich that the Andover Planning and Zoning Commission recommend approval of the preliminary plat of Creekside Estates being developed by Paul Gengler and Richard Erickson in Section 27-32-24 contingent upon the return of the developers with a revised drawing noting the easements, submitting a completed soils report, grading plan and elevations with the understading that if the items that have been suggested are not met, this item would not go to the City Council on the 18th of August. The cul-de-sac should be shown as 60 feet. Motion carried unanimously. This will be on the Planning Commission agenda on August 11 and the City council agenda on August 18. Karin~ Trost Variance ---------------------- Karin Trost, 13842 Northwood Drive - stated that she is requesting a variance so that she-caIlkeep-1n~ent;ry-for-her-b;-siness in the garage. The items to be stored are tool box kits that go to school districts throughout the United states. Commissioner Vistad felt that if a minor repair business is an allowed use, there should be no problem with this. , ... , '. .J John Trost - stated that they are the middlemen between the school districts and suppliers. He showed samples of the products that they would be storing. He also noted that their neighbors to the north and south of them have been very helpful and cooperative. Acting Chairman Bosell asked how much of the garage space they would be using. Mr. Trost noted that the south wall will be for storage and across the front will be a parts bin. The office for the business will be in the downstairs of their home. MOTION by Jovanovich, seconded by Jacobson that the Andover Planning and Zoning Commission recommend to the City Council approval of a variance requested by Karin Trost, BBI Company, to vary from Ordinance 8 to allow for inventory to be kept in an attached garage at 13842 Northwood Drive for the following reasons: 1) It will not adversely affect the existing or potential use of adjacent properties; 2) it is not in conflict with the Comprehensive Plan. The Commission finds that under Ordinance 8, Section 4.3, this use is of a similar nature to a minor repair service which is an approved home occupation in this district and the business be limited to those parameters outlined in the letter from Mrs. Trost dated July 7, 1987 using the attached drawing. Motion carried unanimously. This will go to the City Council on August 18, 1987. Mrs. Trost asked if this could go to the Council earlier and she was instructed to call the Mayor. ]:'onL E~~.EJ...s:.!U'.9_L9..P1J..!_ , ) Tony Emmerich stated that he owns a parcel of land that is 500 feet wide, he and his brother own the next parcel to the west and his brother Don owns the next parcel on South Coon Creek Drive. The parcel that is jointly is the one they wish to split. Tony will end up with 2.3 acres and 5.2 acres and his brother will have one parcel that is 173 feet and one that is 496 feet. Regular Planning Co~~ion Meeting July;28, 1987 - Minutes Page 5 (Emmerich Lot Split, Cont.) , \ U \, ,; Acting Chairman Bosell e~plained that about a year ago this came before the city and the decision was that only interior lot lines needed to be moved; however, Don Emmerich does not choose to add his 172.84 foot parcel to his property. The property is zoned R-4; it meets the requirements. Don Emmerich, 2439 South Coon Creek Drive - stated that he has no intention of combin- ing-ttie-17Z-:aTfoot-"i'.1"lde-parcel-to-his-o-iher parcel. The parcel that his home is on should not even enter into this discussion. MOTION by Jacobson, seconded by perry that the Andover Planning and Zoning Commission recommend to the City Council approval of a lot split requested by Anthony Emmerich on the parcel of land described as 'That part of the SE~ of the NE~ of Section 28, Township 32, Range 24 in Anoka County, Minnesota lying south of the centerline of County Ditch No. 57, also known as Coon Creek. Subject to the right of way of an existing Town Road known as South Coon Creek Drive as now laid out and travelled along the south line of said SE~ of the NE~'. The Commission understands that the center parcel (02) which currently exists is to be split with 150' of frontage on the west and 172 feet on the east. The Commission recommends approval of this with the condition that the 150 foot westerly portion of the lot be attached to the westerly parcel which is 200 feet in width and will result in a 350 foot wide parcel. This is to be filed with Anoka County at the same time as the lot split. ..., , / The lot split approval is contingent upon payment of the appropriate park dedication fees. The Commission finds that the lot split will not be detrimental to surrounding properties and will result in lots meeting all minimums of the zoning districts. Motion carried unanimously. Discussion: Ms. Bosell suggested recommending to the Council that they amend or adjust the zoning district line as part of Tony Emmerich's lot will be R-l and part will be R-4. !l-.P.!l_l'..!!IJ. th_l.p.!_l'.plJ..!..!_.f.p.!l..!:.' MOTION by Jacobson, seconded by Vistad to continue this to the next meeting. Motion carried. Go.pA.Y a 121~_E.P..!!I~~_.!l-~~.P.!lJ..!l..9..!_.f.P.!l..!:. . MOTION by Jacobson, seconded by Vistad to continue this to the next meeting. Motion carried. !,-mend_D.p.p~.!".2-LlI.2-Lll.p~~.EJ.~_ "\ " ~) Dave Spaulding, Woodland Development - stated that they have applied for a Special Use Permit for Colonial Creek which was approved. A requirement in the plat is that they fill three areas. In order to do this, the City needs to amend the floodway map. They have been to the Coon Creek Watershed Board and they approved the plat with the understanding that there would be some changes to the floodway map. Commissioner Perry asked if this was not known at the time the plat was dealt ~ with. f' \ R2gular Planning Comm~tsion Meeting July 28, 1987 - Minutes Page 6 (Amend Floodway Map, Cont.) (j , \. ,I Mr. Spaulding stated that they didn't realize that the city's map needed to be changed. Ms. Bosell stated that Woodland Development, the DNR, Israelson Engineering, Todd Haas, Larry Koshak, and she met and it was decided that the only thing that needed to be done was to amend the map. MOTION by Vistad, seconded by Jacobson that the Andover Planning and Zoning Commission recommend to the City Council approval of adjusting the floodway map in Colonial Creek on Lot 2, Block 1; lots 5, 6 and 7, Block ,1; and Lots 53, 54 and 55, Block 1 to allow for the filling in the floodway district. This request is pursuant to Ordinance 50, Sections 4.32 and 10.4. Attached to this recommendation are a letter from Woodland Development along with a map and a letter from the DNR. Motion carried unanimously. This will go to the City Council on August 4, 1987. !>j.~.E"y~~j..9Ej!~~.9n iEJL~.9~~.E.Ej..2-.L!.2-.E~_~.9E.!_ . Todd Haas showed the Commission a drawing of the proposed commercial park. The city's planner will set up a policy on how we are going to manage the park. Acting Chairman Bosell noted that the Commission previously talked about creating a new zoning district. , j Commissioner Jacobson suggested a district which would allow offices, medical, restaurants, research, retail shopping, schools, churches, theaters, hotels, service stations and maybe some apartment buildings for senior citizens. Ms. Bosell noted that she would be opposed to residential. She felt that the Council's intention was for some limited manufacturing. She explained that we are not on a major highway and that will limit what comes to the commercial park. Ms. Perry stated that she didn't think that we are going to attract the kind of development we would like to see out here. We should come up with the kinds of businesses we would like to see and have some stringent rules such as exteriors and square footages. Mr. Jacobson felt that if we don't sell the lots and lease them instead and then we can dictate more strongly what the structures will look like. He suggested that everyone make a list of what they want to see in the commercial park and then work from there. Ms. Bosell suggested scheduling a special meeting to deal with just this item. A special meeting was scheduled for August 4, 1987 at 6:00 p.m. to discuss the rezoning of the commercial park. ~j..E1J>lj.ij.~~!].2-.!.!j.EJL!.E.9.E~~~_.Pj.~.E..Y~~_~~ '\ 1 Acting Chairman Bosell explained that the reason this was sent to the Commission was because of Paul Gengler's plat. He asked the Mayor why he had to go through all of the steps that a large plat has to go through. Ms. Bosell gave each commissioner ! '\ (--.J (J Regular Planning Commission Meeting July 28, 1987 - Minutes Page 7 , a copy of the preliminary plat checklist and asked them to go through it to see if there is anything that smaller plats don't need. CO.!!:!!l.J.E..9j~1~2~-9.P 1 i~_'pj~..9~~~j2E- This will be continued to the next meeting. The meeting was declared adjourned by the Acting chairman. Meeting adjourned at 12:04 A.M. Respectfully submitted, u-;fa Vicki Volk Commission Secretary \ / \