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HomeMy WebLinkAboutNovember 24, 1987 ,- \ '-...1 ~J () (J u CITY of ANDOVER REGULAR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING - AGENDA NOVEMBER 24, 1987 7:30 P.M. 1. Call to order 2. Approval of Minutes 3. Allen Palo Sketch Plan 4. Retail Shopping Definition Discussion 5. Variance Procedure Discussion 6. Adjournment o () ( .:J CITY of ANDOVER REGULAR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING - MINUTES NOVEMBER 24, 1987 The Regularly Scheduled Andover Planning and Zoning Commission meeting was called to order by Chairman Marge Perry at 7:30 p.M., Tuesday, November 24, 1987 at the Andover City Hall, 1685 Crosstown Boulevard N.W., Andover, MN. Commissioners Present: Bernard, Pease, Vistad, Bosell, Jacobson, Jovanovich None City Planner, Daryl Morey; Assistant City Engineer, Todd Haas; Building Official, Dave Almgren; Allen Palo. Commissioners Absent: Also Present: Approval of Minutes - October 27, 1987 MOTION by Vistad, seconded by Jacobson to approve the minutes of October 27, 1987 as written. Motion carried. Allen Palo Sketch Plan ,. " Todd Haas noted that the Andover Review Committee met to discuss this sketch plan. The property is currently zoned R-l. There was some concern about Outlot A; however, Mr. Palo might purchase some property from his son and attach it to Outlot A and have a buildable lot. There is also a small strip of land on the west side ,of the railroad tracks that will be deeded to Mr. Putnam and he will attach it to his property. A variance will be required for the lot fronting on the MSA Street. '--................ Commissioner Jacobson felt that a cul-de-sac could be constructed and there could be 4 to 5 lots fronting on that cul-de-sac. Commissioner Bosell stated that a cul-de-sac would defeat what we're trying to do with our road system. Mr. Haas also noted that a cul-de-sac would create some landlocked parcels. Ms. Bosell stated that if Mr. Palo's son's property is part of the plat, his son will have to join in the platting and sign the plat. Mr. Palo explained that there is no outlot once that property is attached to his son's; it will be a 2~ acre lot. Ms. Bosell asked if the Review Committee decided whether the streets will be rural or urban section and if there will be a bicycle path along Ward Lake Drive. Mr. Haas stated that if it's an MSA road, it will have to be 66 feet. ,.--, ~~ Chariman Perry noted that her concern with bike paths is that they are used as a passing lane by cars. \ ~~ o ~ Regular Planning Commission Meeting November 24, 1987 - Minutes Page 2 (Palo Sketch Plan, Cont.) It was noted that the interior streets would be 60 feet. Mr. Palo was advised to proceed with his preliminary plat. ABC Mini-Storage Special Use Permit Mr. Morey noted that that was requested. available agenda. the applicant has not provided the site drawing This item will go to the City Council on their next Good Value Homes Rezoning Commissioner Vistad didn't feel that they should be required to do a feasibility report. Mr. Morey questioned why, as staff, we didn't see that property as a potential problem and how it got platted that way. He felt that we have to live with what we've got, a 1.62 acre parcel. Mr. Jacobson noted that we already have the Speedy Market, the corner of Hanson and Bunker, the parcel in Kensington Estates and the Shopping Center. He felt that it is unreasonable to allow another convenience store. / Mr. Morey indicated that with the site plan they have now, there isn't enough green space or parking. Ms. Bosell noted that at the time Hidden Creek was platted, the Nutt property was still a residence and Verdin Street was not a reality. The Commercial Park was not even a glimmer at that time. The idea was that this property would be some type of commercial use. It meets some of the criteria and it's an ideal spot as far as accessibility. She didn't feel that having this sit vacant is a good idea. Chairman Perry asked if there are any alternatives other than a convenience store. Mr. Morey didn't know if Good Value had considered another use. Mr. Jacobson didn't think it is the Planning Commission's responsibility to say what is going to be on that piece of property. Mr. Morey felt that they should do a feasibility study before this goes to the City Council. Mr. Vistad stated that he would like Good Value to provide us with information as to what they can realistically put on that parcel. Commissioner Bernard stated that he would like to know what figures Good Value is using that would indicate a convenience store is the proper use of the prop~rty. Commissioner Bosell noted that if we aren't going to grant a variance on the size of the parcel, we should not ask for a feasibility study. (~ \,j ~ Regular Planning Commission Meeting November 24, 1987 - Minutes Page 3 (Good Value Rezoning, Cont.) J Chairman Perry indicated that if a. plan came in and there was supporting evidence, she would not have a problem with the variance. Retail Shopping Definition Discussion Chairman Perry noted that this came before the Planning Commission because the Council was wrestling with what was and was not retail ln the Tax Increment Financing District. Mr. Morey stated that he has looked at some other cities' codes on retail uses. Blaine and Maple Grove tell you what kind of stores they allow in their retail districts. Some cities are not that specific and some include definitions in the zoning section of the ordinance and not in the definition section. Ms. Perry stated that before we reach the point where commitments are made to developers, we need some very definite guidelines on what type of retail will be allowed. Mr. Jacobson felt that we should ask the Council what they want and then we can draft the words to accomplish that. , Ms. Perry said that she is sure we are going to be asked whether our proposed uses are going to include specific businesses. . This item will be continued to the next meeting. Variance Procedure Discussion It was noted that this was prompted by the Robert Brunswick variance where Mr. Brunswick violated the ordinance by not putting a 12" overhang on his home and then he requested a variance so that he would not have to do it. Mr. Morey stated that Fridley would deal with this as a variance; Coon Rapids would classify it as non-conforming and if any alterations were made to the house, it would have to be brought into compliance. None of the cities used a' fine as a course of action. Ms. Bosell had indicated to Mr. Mor~y that technically we can pursue action if they are in violation. Mr. Morey stated that our choices are to pursue the enforcement, continue on as we have been, or come up with something new like imposing a fine. If we decide to impose a fine, we would have to make sure it is legal to do so. Mr. Bernard suggested that the Building Official meet with the builders when going over plans to make sure the builder knows what is expected. Mr. Morey suggested that when a variance goes to the Council we tell them what the State Statutes say. / Ms. Bosell stated that we should put in the ordinance what the statutes provide. \ \.~ o '. Regular Planning Commission Meeting November 24, 1987 - Minutes Page 4 Fencing Design Mr. Morey explained that this came as a request from the City Council. He stated that he looked at several different types of fences to see what we would want. Mr. Jacobson suggested getting pictures of six different types of fences and how to construct them and have the people pick the one they want to install. Mr. Almgren stated that we want fences that are attractive and will last a long time. Ms. Bosell suggested putting the fencing requirements in the site plan process. Mr. Jacobson felt that we should tell the people that they can build whatever kind they want, but it can only be 80% solid and 20% transparent. Ms. Perry asked Mr. Morey to look at fences in the ordinance as to the height of fences in the commercial area. MOTION by Bosell, seconded by Bernard to adjourn. Motion carried. Meeting adjourned at 9:56 P.M. Respectfully submitted, ILL- I-tv Vicki Volk Commission Secretary