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HomeMy WebLinkAboutDecember 8, 1987 " '\ '-...I ,\ ''--- ) ,-~ \._~ 7:30 P.M. o o ( CITY of ANDOVER REGULAR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING - AGENDA DECEMBER 8, 1987 1. Call to Order 2. Approval of Minutes I 3. Brandon Construction Sketch Plan 4. Oak Bluff 2nd Preliminary plat, Cont. 5. Fencing Design standards Discussion 6. Retail Definition Discussion, Cont. 7. Adjournment , '\ '-J , -, '--) o o ( CITY of ANDOVER REGULAR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING - MINUTES DECEMBER 8, 1987 The regularly scheduled Andover Planning and Zoning Commission meeting was called to order by Acting Chairman Don Jacobson at 7:30 P.M., Tuesday, December 8, 1987 at the Andover City Hall, 1685 Crosstown Boulevard N.W., Andover, MN. Commissioners Present: Commissioners Absent: Also Present: Bosell, Vistad, Bernard Jovanovich, Pease, Perry Todd Haas, Assistant City Engineer; Daryl Morey, City Planner; Dave Almgren, Building Official; others Approval of Minutes - November 24, 1987 MOTION by Vistad, seconded by Bernard to approve the minutes of November 24, 1987 as written. Motion carried. Brandon Construction Sketch Plan Todd Haas - noted that the plat shows 4 lots on 144th Avenue. The City Council, in their review, approved the layout of this sketch. Commissioner Bosell explained that if they are going to go with the Andover Review Committee sketch plan, Outlot A needs to be calculated. Lots 2 and 3 need to have 13,000 square feet. Also, the entire plat falls under the jurisdiction of Ordinance 71, the Shore land Management Ordinance. Acting Chairman Jacobson stated that Outlot A is only 40 feet wide. suggested making it the full width for a street now so that if the property is developed there will not be a problem in the future. He Shepard Commissioner Bosell suggested combining all of the outlots to make one. Mr. Haas noted that the ordinance allows ,for future development by platting a half street. Mr. Tollefson, the developer, stated that the Council has asked for the forty feet as right-of-way. Mr. Haas stated that water is at the edge of Lot 4. He also noted that the city is trying to get berming in all of the urban plats. Commissioner Vistad noted that he doesn't want to see berming in this plat as there is already a lot of traffic on Round Lake Boulevard and it will be difficult for the people trying to get out onto Round Lake Boulevard to see oncoming traffic. ~~ The developer was advised to proceed with his preliminary plat. , J o Regular Planning Commission !1eeting December 8, 1987 - Minutes Page 2 / Oak Bluff 2nd Addition Preliminary Plat. Cant. Chuck Cook, developer - noted that the Council was concerned about a wet pond and asked for a cross-section of the ponding. The slopes in the ponding area have been modified. There will also be an emergency overflow outlet. The normal drainage goes towards Hanson Boulevard via an under- ground pipe. Mr. Jacobson asked how much water will be in the pond at all times. Mr. Cook stated that the pond will be six feet deep~ the water outlet is at 886. There was discussion on whether city personnel would be able to get to the pond for maintenance as there is no easement to it. It was noted that legal counsel has said that the city can go in if need be. Commissioner Vistad noted that the building pad is at 890 and the proposed overflow is 892. If you have a lot of water, you will have water seeping into the ground and into the basements. Mr. Haas noted that the developer is only required to build one emergency outlet and he is providing two. , Mr. Cook stated that at 886 they have positive drainage. If we have excess of a 100 year storm the water level might go up temporarily. 24 hours the water would be gone. in Within , / Mr. Jacobson suggested putting the emergency overflow at 890. Mr. Haas noted that he is one foot above the 100 year level. an emergency overflow in the event we get a 500 year storm. everything that we have asked. He is providing He has done Mr. Cook stated that they have positive drainage on the west and surface emergency drainage on the east. Mr. Jacobson noted that the Council requested that one of the drainage ease- ments be vacated when the plat is done and he asked which one will be vacated. Mr. Cook stated that they are going to vacate all of the drainage easements on outlot B and create new ones. Mr. Vistad noted that the statement regarding the side yard setback should be corrected to state that a six foot setback is only allowed on the garage side. Commissioner Bosell noted that the drainage pipe between Lots 11, 12 and 13 needs to be extended. Mr. Cook explained that that will be designed by TKDA. Commissioner Bosell asked if a letter has been received from United Power. Mr. Haas stated that it has and it tells the location of their easement, what rights they have and also talks about berming. UPA would like to review the berming along Hanson Boulevard. ~ J \J Regular Planning Commission Meeting December 8, 1987 - Minutes Page 3 (Oak Bluff 2nd, Cont.) " Mr. Cook stated that the section corner. power line is 2 feet he spoke to Pat Carons of UPA who told him to find The easement is 50 feet east of that point. Their west of the quarter quarter mark. Ms. Bosel1 noted that the property owner on the north end of the plat is not identified. Also, the restrictive covenants need to be submitted to the city. She asked if this plat is going to be done in phases. Mr. Cook stated yes, for Phase I they will cut it off between Lots 6 and 7 on the west, come down the center of the plat and include Lot 12, Block 4 and the three lots on Bluebird and Crane. Ms. Bosell also noted that Lot 22, Block 4 is a butt lot. The ordinance requires two tiers of lots and Section 9.06 says butt lots are to be avoided. Mr. Jacobson stated that the typical lot should show the required setbacks and should be labeled as a typical lot. Mr. Haas suggested that the developer make the corrections and come back to the Planning Commission on December 22nd as this won't go to the Council until January 5th. ~ MOTION by Bosell, seconded by vistad that the Andover Planning and Zoning Commission recommend to the City Council approval of the preliminary plat of Oak Bluff 2nd Addition as proposed on the revised drawing dated December 2, 1987. The plat ahs been reviewed by the Andover Review Committeee and the plat is subject to the comments of that committee. It should be ntoed that there are no variances required in regard to the preliminary plat. The plat has been reviewed by the Anoka County Highway Department and has received their approval. ) The plat is subject to final development of the drainage pond as proposed and designed by TKDA. The plat has been reviewed by UPA and clarification as to what can occur in their easement is noted in their letter dated December 7, 1987. The plat is in compliance with their requirements. The plat is not subject to additional park dedication fees as that require- ment was satisfied in the development of Oak Bluff. The plat is subject to the following housekeeping items being done: 1) the property owner immediately north of the plat in the section noted as R-4 needs to be identified; 2) on the legend the side yard setback needs to be corrected to reflect the language of Ordinance 8, Amendment NN and the addition of typical lot should be made along with setbacks being added to the typical lot. It should be noted that a public hearing was held. At the original hearing concern was on the size of the lots. The developer has increased the original sizes. It was also noted that there was no public at this meeting. f \--j ,,-.J Regular Planning Commission Meeting December 8, 1987 - Minutes Page 4 (Oak Bluff 2nd, Cont.) / Street lighting will be provided by the developer as required. The Planning Commission looked at three possible butt lots and didn't find they are a detriment pursuant to Ordinance 10, Section 9.06(d). The applicant was advised to petition for city sewer and water. Motion carried unanimously. This will go to the City Council on January 5, 1987. (It will be reviewed by the Planning Commission at their December 22nd meeting.) Fencinq Desiqn Standard Daryl Morey, City Planner - stated that other cities do not say what kind of fence a person has to build: however, Maple Grove specifically states that it has to be of masonry, brick or wood construction. Mr. Morey noted that he incorporated that wording into a proposed amendment to the ordinance. He also added a section for dumpster enclosure or screening. Discussion was on whether a person could have trees and shrubs in lieu of a fence. Commissioner Bosell stated that if you are not going to have exterior storage, a fence is not required. , / Mr. Morey should look at the ordinance to eliminate the problem of a six foot fence needing to be 10 feet from the property line. Ms. Bosell suggested putting the language under Refuse Container Screening in Ordinance 8. MOTION by Vistad, seconded by Bosell to adjourn. Motion carried. Meeting adjourned at 10:00 P.M. Respectfully submitted, fL' /(d Vicki Volk Commission Secretary /