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HomeMy WebLinkAboutMay 5, 1988 ! ) "--.. (j ....,..,.;-.- (/C}\'" "',,! . 1 /'\, // '\'" ,( CITY of ANDOVER REGULAR PARK COMMISSION MEETING - AGENDA MAY 5, 1988 7:30 P.M. 1. Call to Order 2. Approval of Minutes 3. Resident Forum 4. Old Colony Estates Preliminary plat park Dedication, Continued 5. Timber Trail Sketch plan 6. Northwoods Tennis Court - Discussion 7. Approve Park Layout and Grading - Fox Meadows 8. Satellites - City Hall park - Discussion 9. Softball and Soccer Schedules, Continued 10. park Board Comprehensive plan, Continued 11. Adjournment NOTE: *Meet at 7:00 P.M. at Fox Meadows to discuss park layout ) r- "\ '--- / r' , \ ,-~,1 .'(J\ ..:1'\ o u CITY of ANDOVER REGULAR PARK COMMISSION MEETING - AGENDA MAY 5, 1988 7:30 P.M. 1. Call to Order 2. Approval of Minutes 3. Resident Forum 4. Old Colony Estates Preliminary Plat Park Dedication, Continued 5. Timber Trail Sketch plan 6. Northwoods Tennis Court - Discussion 7. Approve Park Layout and Grading - Fox Meadows 8. Satellites - City Hall Park - Discussion 9. Softball and Soccer Schedules, Continued 10. Park Board Comprehensive Plan, Continued 11. Adjournment NOTE: *Meet at 7:00 P.M. at Fox Meadows to discuss park layout o u r , '---- J ,~-"'~i-" ., '(it . ~ . .:, CITY of ANDOVER PARK AND RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES MAY 5, 1988 The Regular Meeting of the Andover Park and Recreation Commission was called to order by Chairman Marc McMullen on May 5, 1988 at 7:35 p.m., at the Andover City Hall, 1685 Crosstown Boulevard NW, Andover, Minnesota Commissioners Present: Anderson, Kieffer, Kinkade, Sabel, Strootman Commissioners Absent: Ferris Also Present: City Assistant Engineer, Todd Haas Frank, Public Works Director, Frank Stone APPROVAL OF MINUTES Larry Strootman asked that we move agenda item 2 to the end of the agenda as the Commissioners just received the minutes tonight and have not had a chance to properly review them. MOTION by Larry Strootman, seconded by Stuart Kinkade to move agenda item 2 (Approval of Minutes) to the bottom of the agenda. All voted yes. Motion carried unanimously. RESIDENT FORUM Robert Pobul, of 2577 - 136th Avenue NW, Andover asked some questions regarding Hidden Creek. Mr. Pobul asked what the priority was for Hidden Creek. Frank Stone said it was the priority to get grass ready and leveled for two soccer fields. Gretchen Sabel suggested that we should hold up on building permits at Hidden Creek. The commissioners felt that the developer should finish the seeding and grading. It was suggested that Mr. Peterson of Good Value meet with the Commissioners at 7:00 at the Hidden Creek field to talk about his plans for trees and seeding. Todd Haas will contact Mr. Peterson to confirm his attendance at this meeting. OLD COLONY ESTATES PRELIMINARY PLAT PARK DEDICATION (CONT'D.) Mr. Marc McMullen stated that the Park Commission is requested to approve the park dedication for Old Colony Estates. , \ ,_/ , / o Park and Recreation May 5, 1988 Page Two Commission Minutes Todd Haas said the developer submitted a revised plan for approval by the Park Commission. The Commissioners felt that the revised plan was basically the same as the previous one submitted. Gretchen Sabel stated that he did not change the location as previously discussed at the April 21st meeting. The Commissioners still stated their objection of putting parks in the middle of the blocks as proposed. Stuart Kinkade stated that the revised plan was not acceptable. MOTION by Stuart Kinkade, seconded by Larry Strootman that the Park Board not accept the proposed neighborhood tot lot as presented by the Gaughan Companies on the meeting May 5th and the developer is requested to pursue other alternative locations such as Block 6 (lots 2 and 3) and Block 1 (lots 12, 13, 14) so the tot lot is not surrounded by other neighborhood houses but rather on the corner of a lot as originally requested and should have a minimum 100 foot street access. All voted yes. Motion carried unanimously. Todd Haas was directed to give a copy of minutes to the developer so he would be informed as to the Park Board's decision on this proposal. TIMBER TRAIL SKETCH PLAN The proposed park location would be on Aztec Street NW and currently has a softball field and a skating rink facility with a warming house. Byron, of Woodland Development Company, stated there are games being played on this field now and that the area is being used as a park. The proposed park area is approximately 6.96 acres. The preliminary plat was once owned by Horace Mayo. The sketch was presented just for review by the Commissioners. The parking lot would go on the north side of the park. It was park. up." suggested that the Commissioners all take a look at the Byron stated he would like a couple of days to "clean it Gretchen Sabel asked if an outhouse was legal - and it appears it is not. This would have to be sealed up. Stuart Kinkade asked -' if anything needed to be done about the well - Gretchen Sabel said if it wasn't hooked to drinking, it would be okay. / \ ,-..J o \ ,) Park and Recreation Commission Minutes May 5, 1988 Page Three The Commissioners were in favor of the park proposal and agreed that the Woodland Development Company plan looked fine but the Commissioners did want to take a look at the park in the near future. NORTHWOODS TENNIS COURT - DISCUSSION The Park Commission was requested to review the options for the Northwoods Tennis Courts reconstruction. Braun Engineering has recommended two options: 1. Surcharge approach 2. Total excavation/backfill approach The costs of the two options were to be given at this meeting but no one representing TKDA was in attendance. The Commissioners felt that both plans would be Very expensive. Todd Haas stated TKDA would prepare plans and the specs for the project, which would be worth about $3,000-4,000. Stuart Kinkade stated that it might be worthwhile to do an alternative plan of a new tennis court with the right type of soil, and solicit bids on this type of project. MOTION by Jeff Kieffer, seconded by Tom Anderson, to direct Todd Haas to verify (in writing) with TKDA that they will prepare the plans and specs at no charge, and then the City can obtain bids for the alternative plan of building a new tennis court in a new location with the right type of soil. All voted yes. Motion carried unanimously. APPROVE PARK LAYOUT AND GRADING - FOX MEADOWS The Park Commissioners met at 7:00 at the Fox Meadows site to discuss the Fox Meadows park layout. The Commissioners said the tot lot and parking lot would be on the south side of the trees. Harriet Larson, 15921 Fox Street, stated she was opposed to the park site and was concerned about the noise from the park in the evenings. ': / Paula Rogers, 15901 Fox Street, also had a similar concern regarding the noise element from the park and a concern about the traffic path near their homes. () u ~J Park and Recreation Commission Minutes May 5, 1988 Page Four Todd Haas explained that for safety purposes, the City has proposed another access on Fox Street to alleviate traffic from the County roads. Bob Rankila, 16001 Fox Street, had strong objections to the City of Andover having any more "ballparks". He had no objection to a nature park, or tot lot for kids, or picnic area. He did not want any organized games in this park because of the traffic and noise it would create in his neighborhood. Marc McMullen indicated that this park has been designated as a Regional Park since 1978 when the Master Park System was planned upon the direction of the City Council. Gretchen Sabel thought that we might be able to get the parking lot closer to County 58. It was thought this might involve more cost. Bob Rankila asked if the residents could get together and draw up a plan for review. Marc McMullen said that would be fine but that the soccer field would have to be in the plan, and also a parking lot. Todd Haas said he could present plan to the County and ask if we could have a driveway access off of 58, as this might alleviate some of the traffic the residents are concerned about. Todd Haas will see that this item is on the City Council Resident's Forum agenda for the May 17th meeting. MOTION by Tom Anderson, seconded by Stuart Kinkade to table this agenda item until the next meeting to be held May 19th. All voted yes. Motion carried unanimously. SATELLITES - CITY HALL PARK - DISCUSSION The Park Commission discussed possible satellite locations for the Andover City park facilities. Public Works Director Frank Stone has already contracted with Biffs (rather than Satellite) for portable restrooms. '\ ,_J , ~) ~~ I Park and Recreation Commission Minutes May 5, 1988 Page Five Locations determined for satellites are as follows: # of Satellites Location ( 1 ) ( 3 ) ( 1 ) ( 1 ) Terrace Park City Hall Crooked Lake Round Lake The Commissioners agreed it would be Frank Stone's job to remove the satellites when they weren't needed any more. SOFTBALL AND SOCCER SCHEDULES (CONT'D) The Park Commission reviewed the softball and soccer schedule. Todd Haas had some questions regarding the dates and times on the schedule. The schedule is correct and there was just some confusion on how the dates were written on the schedule (9/19, 20 - meaning 9/19 and 9/20). PARK BOARD COMPREHENSIVE PLAN (CONT'D) The Park Commission reviewed the Comprehensive Plan. It was requested by Tim Erkkila of Westwood Planning & Engineering to put a list of 10 most important items which need updating or work for the comprehensive plan. The Commission prepared a priority list as follows: 1. Park dedication - analysis of similar communities, cost how its supplied 2. Inventory analysis - demographics 3. Development Strategies - urban and rural specs (setting up standards) 4. Trail System - bikes and hiking 5. Per Capital Spending - comparison of other cities 6. Availability of Grants / / ,--) Park and Recreation May 5, 1988 Page Six Commission Minutes 7. Planning Districts Concept - based on museline and school district boundaries The top four priorities: 1. Park Dedication 2. Per Capita Spending 3. Development Strategy 4. Trail Systems The Commission asked Todd Haas to confirm with Tim Erkkila to attend the next meeting and put this item on the agenda. Also Todd should request from Mr. Erkkila a proposal on the cost breakdown of each of the four items listed above. APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES MOTION by Larry Strootman, seconded by Tom Anderson to accept the Minutes from the April 21, 1988 meeting. All voted yes. Motion carried unanimously. OTHER BUSINESS Frank Stone requested that if his attendance was not necessary, he wouldn't be coming to future Park Commission meetings. Marc McMullen had a concern on this request - he felt that whenever Frank wasn't at the meeting, there would always be questions. Marc McMullen felt that it was to our advantage to have Frank at the meetings. Frank indicated he would be here for future meetings then if needed. Stuart Kinkade asked if we are taking Carlson's equipment in lieu of park dedication. He felt uncomfortable with this concept. It was mentioned that there should be a value put on the equipment. Marc McMullen said he would be at the next City Council meeting and could bring up this item at that time. ADJOURNMENT MOTION by Stuart Kinkade, seconded by Tom Anderson to adjourn the meeting at 10:05 p.m. Motion carried. .' t:2&~rU