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HomeMy WebLinkAboutNovember 8, 1988 () " u ~".}.j.'~ .'.....:(i\ ...r\ CITY of ANDOVER o PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES NOVEMBER 8, 1988 The regularly scheduled Andover Planning and Zoning Commission meeting was called to order by Chairman Marjorie Perry at 8:01 p.m., Tuesday, November 8, 1988, in the Council Chambers of Andover City Hall, 1685 Crosstown Boulevard N.W., Andover, Minnesota. Commissioners present included Bev Jovanovich, Wayne Vistad, d'Arcy Bosell, Bill Bernard, Don Jacobson, Chairman Marjorie Perry. APPROVAL OF MINUTES The following corrections were made to the October 25, 1988 minutes: Don Jacobson stated that on page one, line 6 from the bottom of the page, the word ATV should be changed to "golf cart." Bill Bernard indicated that on Page 5, the third line, the motion should indicate approval of rezoning request. On Page 6, the motion should be amended to remove the sentence concerning park fees. On page 7, the fourth line, the word should be level (not leveled). On page 9, it should be noted that this is a continuation of a public hearing. A motion was made by Don Jacobson, seconded by Wayne Vistad to approve the minutes of the October 25, 1988 meeting as amended. All voted yes, 1 present. Motion carried. ORDINANCE #87 - ATV ORDINANCE AMENDMENT. CONTINUED ~) d'Arcy Bosell stated that there would not be a representative present from the Muscular Dystrophy Association as the person she was going to contact had been in the hospital. She had also stated no one had followed up with the Attorney General's office regarding the interpretation of this issue. " ) u , / Andover Planning and Zoning Commission November 8, 1988 Meeting Minutes Page Two A motion was made by Wayne Vistad to reintroduce in this motion the remarks by Deputy Rossler from the October 25th meeting. Also Mr. Vistad would like to strike the word ATV's from the ordinance completely, and to follow the consistency of other communities and insert the word golf carts. Mr. Jacobson pointed out that if this motion is made, there would be nothing left on the amendment. Mr. Vistad withdrew his motion. A motion was made by Commissioner Vistad, seconded by Commissioner Jovanovich that the Planning and Zoning Commission recommends taking no action on the ATV ordinance amendment, therefore removing it from Ordinance #87, and to adopt a new ordinance that would be similar to the other communities to include authorizing the use of golf carts and wheelchairs for the handicapped. Discussion: d'Arcy Bosell stated that ATV terminology could just be changed on the current ATV ordinance amendment (inserting motorized golf cart or motorized wheelchair). Also, this would include changing the title of the amendment, "An Ordinance Adopting Regulations for the Operation of the Motorized Golf Cart or the Motorized Wheelchair Within the City of Andover." 5 yes votes, 1 no vote. Motion carried. Wayne Vistad, on behalf of the Planning Commission, directed the staff to redraft a new amendment to include the language for adopting regulations for the operation of the motorized golf cart or the motorized wheelchair within the City of Andover. It was suggested by Mr. Jacobson that staff put a notice in the paper to hold a public hearing so this item could be moved more quickly. Jay Blake stated he would do this, and that he could have this notice published in time for the Planning and Zoning meeting on December 13th. ORDINANCE 8. SECTION 8.07 SIGNS Jay Blake presented some of the sections of the sign ordinance that he felt the Planning Commission should review. He also reviewed and included in his comments zoning ordinance comparisons from five communities. / o u I Andover Planning and Zoning Commission November 8, 1988 Meeting Minutes Page Three Mr. Jacobson asked if the City could address the problem of when a company paints a sign on a truck and lets it sit in a parking lot for extended periods of time. Ms. Bosell stated that there is an ordinance which refers to the requirements where delivery trucks may be parked. Mr. Vistad had a concern regarding the permit fees for signs as it was his understanding that the purpose of the fee was to cover administrative processing costs only. He felt it would cost the same to process a 2' x 2' sign versus a 32-sq. ft. sign. Ms. Bosell stated that the fee perhaps should be increased to a flat fee of $50.00. Jay Blake suggested it would be a good idea to see what other cities are charging for a fee for permit fees for signs. Mr. Vistad questioned the paragraph relating to real estate signs that are not to be placed any closer than ten feet to any property line. He felt it might be difficult to enforce this requirement. Ms. Bosell stated that one of the reasons for the 10-foot setback is to protect the visual obstruction. Mr. Bernard raised his concern about requiring businesses to get permits to have lighted areas of advertising. Ms. Perry explained that it is allowed but that a permit is needed to grant this request for a specified number of days. Election signs were also discussed. Mr. Vistad preferred having a number of signs per lot and the size required also. Ms. Bosell stated that they are temporary signs. Ms. Bosell stated she would like to see a permit required to put out election signs, so there would be a contact person if the signs did become a problem. The other commissioners did not agree that a permit should be necessary. Mr. Bernard suggested if the signs are illegally put out, the Public Works Department could just remove them, and a permit would require a lot of unnecessary paperwork and concern. Ms. Perry recommended that under the section of Sign Size and Placement Standards, first paragraph, last sentence, the words "to the extent practicable" be removed. Mr. Jacobson questioned the Minimum Sign Standard section, the second paragraph, "All signs not in conformity with the provisions of the ordinance shall be removed within a period of two (2) years following enactment." He wondered if the City could make the business owner remove the sign if it was not in conformance. Jay Blake was directed to check out the legality of this language. u lJ Andover Planning and Zoning Commission November 8, 1988 Meeting Minutes Page Four Mr. Jacobson stated that on page 1, last sentence, under definitions that the governmental signs section only addresses traffic. He felt that there were other governmental signs that should be included. Ms. Bosell also recommended that the double-faced sign should be defined. There was some discussion on the sign size requirement. Mr. Vis tad suggested a maximum of 32 square feet in a non- residential sign in a residential district, to allow sign companies to put more information on the sign, and they would be more easily read from a distance. The other commissioners did feel 24 square feet is still a good size. Ms. Bosell also stated there were not a lot of complaints on the 24-square foot size. Mr. Jacobson stated that businesses can still come in and request a variance to get a larger sign. Ms. Perry addressed the question of how a differentiation could be made between urban and rural residential districts. Jay Blake suggesting two options: 1) to establish a provision for agricultural businesses and 2) to go by use and size of lots. Jay Blake will make some changes on the sign ordinance from the comments made during this meeting and bring back revised copies to the Planning Commission. ORDINANCE 10 - GENERAL AMENDMENTS Ms. Bosell stated that Section 7.01 of Ordinance 10 should be in Industrial and Commercial Districts and twenty (20) acres in area and 600 feet (or 660) feet in width in A~ricultural and Residential districts (instead of 500 feet). It was agreed to review this item at the next Planning Commission meeting. OTHER BUSINESS - PINE BARK BEETLES Mr. Bernard brought in a piece of a tree that had been infested with the beetle. He also stated that there would be a meeting on Thursday, November 10 at the Bunker Hills Activity Center to discuss and educate the public on the problem of dying pines. f \ l . -~ u I / Andover Planning and Zoning Commission November 8, 1988 Meeting Minutes Page Five It was recommended by Ms. Bosell that the City of Andover could incorporate the Pine Bark Beetle issue into an existing ordinance. Ms. Bosell indicated that it may be an enforcement problem. ADJOURNMENT A motion was made by Commissioner Bosell, seconded by Commissioner Bernard to adjourn the meeting at 9:55 p.m. Respectfully submitted (Plan.15) \