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HomeMy WebLinkAboutCC February 6, 2008 C I T Y o F NDOVE 0 1685 CROSSTOWN BOULEVARD N.W. . ANDOVER, MINNESOTA 55304 . (763) 755-5100 FAX (763) 755-8923 . WVVW.CI.ANDOVER.MN.US Regular City Council Meeting - Wednesday, February 6, 2008 Call to Order-7:00 p.m. Pledge of Allegiance Resident Forum Agenda Approval 1. Approval of Minutes (1/10/08 Special meeting; 1/15/08 Regular Meeting) Consent Items 2. Approve Payment of Claims - Finance 3. Approve Agreement with National Sports Center - Administration 4. Approve Plans & Specs/Order Advertisement for Bids/07-48/Tower #2/Painting & Rehabilitation- Engineering 5. Receive Assessment RolllWaive Public Hearing/Adopt Assessment Roll!08-10/3458 _142nd Avenue NW/WM - Engineering 6. Authorize Expenditure from Storm Water Utility Fund/08-16/2008 Tree Sale - Engineering 0 7. Award Bid/07-36/2008 Tree Removal Contractor-Engineering 8. Accept DNR FireWise Grant/05-59 - Engineering 9. Approve Premise Permit/Andover Baseball! Pov's - Clerk 10. Approve Hold Harmless & Easement Encroachment Agreement/241 0 - 1518t Avenue NW - Engineering 11. Consider Phone System Replacement - Administration Discussion Items 12. NPDES (National Pollutant Discharge Elimination System) Presentation & Public Meeting/08-1 - Engineering 13. Consider 2008 Comprehensive Plan Update - Planning Staff Items 14. Schedule EDA Meeting - Administration 15. Administrator's Report - Administration Mayor/Council Input Closed Session: a. Northern Natural Gas Easements Adjournment 0 /'l~.~ "',--"',,,.J _ lu~l~ ~ -t '1-ov 0 Regular Andover City Council Meeting Minutes - February 6, 2008 Page 11 REGULAR ANDOVER CITY COUNCIL MEETING MINUTES - FEBRUARY 6, 2008 TABLE OF CONTENTS PLEDGE OF ALLEGIENCE........ ............... ............... ........ ........... .... ...................... .................. 1 RESIDENT FORUM................................................................................................................. 1 AGENDA APPROV AL........;.................................. ................... ............... ....... ....... ....... ........... 1 APPROV AL OF MINUTES ............. .............. ................................................ ......... ............. ..... 1 CONSENT ITEMS Approve Payment of Claims ............................................. ............. ........... ......... ............ ...... 2 Resolution ROI0-08 approving Plans & Specs/Order Advertisement for Bids/07-48/ Tower #2/Painting & Rehabilitation ..................... ................ ...... .......... ....... .................. 2 Resolution RO 11-08 receiving Assessment Rol1/W aive Public Hearing! Adopt Assessment Rol1/08-10/3458 - 142nd Avenue NW /WM.................................................................... 2 Authorize Expenditure from Storm Water Utility Fund/08-16/2008 Tree Sale .................. 2 Award Bid/07-36/2008 Tree Removal Contractor............................................................... 2 Accept DNR Fire Wise Grant/05- 59......... ........... ...... ........ ................................... ....... ......... 2 Approve Premise Permit/Andover BaseballlPOV's (RES. ROI2-08) ................................. 2 0 Approve Hold Harmless & Easement Encroachment Agreement/241 0-151 st Avenue NW 2 Consider Phone System Replacement................. ...................................... .... ............... ... ..... 2 CONSIDER 2008 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE ........................................................ 2 a MUSA Expansion & Land Use Change Request for a Portion of the Woodland Creek Golf Course.................................................................................................................... 3 b. Sewer Staging Plan Request 14861 Prairie Road & 329 146th Lane NW....................... 5 c. Sewer Staging Plan Request Woodland Estates 5th Addition ......................................... 5 NPDES (NATIONAL POLLUTANT DISCHARGE ELIMINATION SYSTEM) PRESENTATION & PUBLIC MEETING/08-1 Motion to Open Public Hearing ........................... ........................................ ......... .......... ...... 8 Motion to Close Public Hearing ........................................................................................... 9 APPROVE AGREEMENT WITH NATIONAL SPORT CENTER Motion to approve..................... ............................................................................................ 9 SCHEDULE EDA MEETING ................................................................ ............ ................. ...... 10 ADMINISTRATOR REPORT...... ................................................. ........................................... 10 Motion to Schedule Joint Meeting with The Lower Rum River Management Org.............. 10 MAYOR/COUNCIL INPUT Stop Sign Vandalism in the City ........................................................................................... 10 Recess to Closed Session Meeting........... ............... ....... ............... ............................. ................ 10 ADJOURNMENT...................................................................................................................... 10 0 0 REGULAR ANDOVER CITY COUNCIL MEETING - FEBRUARY 6,2008 MINUTES The Regular Bi-Monthly Meeting of the Andover City Council was called to order by Mayor Mike Gamache, February 6, 2008, 7:00 p.m., at the Andover City Hall, 1685 Crosstown Boulevard NW, Andover, Minnesota. Councilmembers present: Don Jacobson, Mike Knight, Ken Orttel, Julie Trude Councilmember absent: None Also present: City Attorney, Scott Baumgartner Director of Public Works/City Engineer, Dave Berkowitz City Administrator, Jim Dickinson Community Development Director, Will Neumeister Natural Resources Technician, Kameron Kytonen Others 0 PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE RESIDENT FORUM No one wished to address the Council. AGENDA APPROVAL Move Item 13 (Consider 2008 Comprehensive Plan Update) before Item 12 (NPDES Presentation & Public Meeting). Move Item 3 (Approve Agreement with National Sports Center) to discussion. Motion by Knight, Seconded by Trude, to approve the Agenda as amended above. Motioncarried unanimously. APPROVAL OF MINUTES . January 10, 2008, Special Meeting: Correct as written. 0 Motion by Jacobson, Seconded by Trude, approval of Minutes as indicated above. Motion carried nnanimously. January 15, 2008, Regular Meeting: Correct as written. 0 Regular Andover City Council Meeting Minutes - February 6, 2008 Page 2 Motion by Trude, Seconded by Jacobson, approval of Minutes as indicated above. Motion carried unanimously. CONSENT ITEMS Item 2 Approval of Claims Item 4 Approve Plans & Specs/Order Advertisement for Bids/07-48/Tower #2/Painting & Rehabilitation (See Resolution ROIO-08) Item 5 Receive Assessment Roll/Waive Public Hearing! Adopt Assessment Roll/08-1 0/3458 _142Dd Avenue NW/WM (See Resolution ROII-08) Item 6 Authorize Expenditure from Storm Water Utility Fund/08-16/2008 Tree Sale Item 7 Award Bid/07-36/2008 Tree Removal Contractor Item 8 Accept DNR FireWise Grant/05-59 Item 9 Approve Premise Permit/Andover Basebal1!Pov's (RES. ROI2-08) Item 10 Approve Hold Harmless & Easement Encroachment Agreement/241 0 - 151 st Avenue NW 0 Item 11 Consider Phone System Replacement . Motion by Jacobson, Seconded by Knight, approval of the Consent Agenda as read. Motion carried unanimously. CONSIDER 2008 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE Community Development Director Neumeister stated none of the items presented have filed applications. Let the record show that none of the people who came forward at the Planning Commission meeting of January 22Dd has made an official application. Notwithstanding that, the following is our recommendation on the three requests that came before the Planning Commission and are now before the City Council: 1. The firstrequest from Olvan Properties, Ron Vanelli and Mike Olson, has been discussed at the Planning Commission at length and the changes they have requested are not justified with the information that was presented that evening. Staff stands by the fact that the Woodland Creek golf course has been zoned R-4 with a land use designation of Open Space for many years. This is considered an appropriate land use for the property because of the conditions 0 that exist (Le. the extensive wetlands and floodplain that exist on the land). 2. The second request from Mike Smith, Bob Day and Winslow Holasek is not supported primarily due to the fact that the sewer plan that was developed called the "Yellowpine 0 Regular Andover City Council Meeting Minutes - February 6, 2008 Page 3 Alternative" is the most economical and efficient to serve the easterly undeveloped land in Andover that lies in the MUSA. 3. The third re~uest from Woodland Development to change the 5 acres located north of Woodland 5 Addition is supported and is a logical extension of sewer and a very small amendment to the MUSA boundary that is logical and prudent to make at this time. It has been studied extensively and can be served by the existing sewer pipes. Staff recommends the Council affirm these recommendations with a motion and allow the Comprehensive Plan to be sent out to the surrounding cities and other jurisdictions to begin their review and comment period. a. MUSA Expansion and Land Use Change Request for a Portion of the Woodland Creek Golf Course Mr. Neumeister stated there was a letter given to them dated February 2,2008, "Updating the 2008 Comprehensive Plans-Sewer Staging Plan for Eastern Andover" from Mr. Winslow and Corrine 0 Holasek. Councilmember Orttel stated he has heard and checked out the Mendota Heights situation and it was his understanding that there is an underlying zone of R -4 that the owners can avail themselves of if the golf course is not viable. Mr. Neumeister indicated that is correct. Councilmember Orttel thought that would meet the use of an alternative use even if the golf course is not viable as a business. Mr. Neumeister stated that is correct. Councilmember Orttel stated the golf course was built to sell houses, which it did very well, and he understood the owners' position but the courts have stated there has to be an alternative use allowed and that use is allowed because it is an R-4. Mr. Neumeister stated in court cases that come up it is always brought up what is the reasonable use of the property and in this case if the golf course does not succeed they can still come back under R-4 zoning and whatever is allowed to be a permitted use can be done on the property or a conditional use in that zoning category and that is their typical single family urban lot designation in the City so they could come back and request a single family development there on the upland portion but there is not enough detail to judge whether that is feasible. Councilmember Orttel stated they are not telling them they need to keep a golf course there but they need to keep it as open space. Mr. Neumeister stated that is correct. He stated the part that is wetland will probably remain open space with the zoning designation of R-4 and the part that is upland could come back before the Council with a request of some sort with the zoning designation 0 of R4, which is a reasonable alternative use to the golf course. Councilmember Orttel stated they have a rule that will not allow someone to landlock a parcel and if they develop that part by the clubhouse the whole property will be landlocked. Mr. Neumeister stated they can still leave an access way through there if they want to preserve an access to the golf 0 Regular Andover City Council Meeting Minutes - February 6, 2008 Page 4 course. He stated this would be similar to a trail connection between lots for access to a park. City Attorney Baumgartner stated he discussed this topic at length and he would concur with Mr. Neumeister that there is the underlying R-4 designation which does allow an alternative use to the property. There are some restrictions based upon the wetland that is associated with this property but the fact remains that the property owner does still have a viable use being the R4 designation. Councilmember Trude stated based on what they know about the wetland and floodplain of that region, it would require extensive work with Federal, State and Local authorities to deal with watershed, Federal Floodplains, protected wetland, etc., if anyone was to look at a plan to develop the low areas or high areas. Mr. Berkowitz stated that is correct. Mayor Gamache stated what they are talking about right now is that the golf course was originally zoned with the R4 designation and what staffhas suggested is that the information that was given at the Planning & Zoning Commission meeting did not justify what they are looking for and that staff stands by the fact that Woodland Creek Golf Course has been zoned R -4 with the land use designation of open space for many years and that nothing is really changing and the owners do have 0 that ability but did not think they would want to do that. Councilmember Orttel stated one thing he found in the Mendota Heights case is that it is safe to assume the golf course will not stay there in the long term but Mendota Heights did say they would support a referendum if the residents petition a referendum. He wondered if the City could look at obtaining the golf course for public use and maintaining it. Mr. Jim Nelson, 3342 143rd Avenue NW, stated he likes the fact that they have an R4 underlying zoning because it kind of protects the area if there is a development brought forward. He stated the owners were coming forward with a mid-density development with a different zoning and it never made sense to him. It did not seem compatible with the existing housing or with the golf course. R- 4 seems to be more appropriate than mid-density. Mr. Nelson wondered if number three impacted this issue in any way. Mayor Gamache stated it did not. He agrees that R -4 seems to be appropriate and they do not want to change that to anything higher. He liked Councilmember Orttel's idea Motion by Jacobson, Seconded by Knight, to agree with the recommendation of the Planning Commission relating to the Comprehensive Plan Designation on the Woodland Creek Golf Course and that Council chooses not to change the current designation of the parcel. Motion carried unanimously. 0 Mr. Mike Olson, 22860 Imperial Avenue N, Forest Lake, stated they discussed this issue at the Planning Commission and they felt they did not have enough time to get this plan in and they discussed it with staff and they did not have any plans to present so they went with the medium density request. Since then they have been doing some other research and they are looking at starting to apply for wetland banking for the remaining sixty acres. The course will not be there anymore and 0 Regular Andover City Council Meeting Minutes - February 6, 2008 Page 5 they are just looking for the ten-acre piece. They already have sewer into it and they just wanted to discuss that issue to let them know where they are at in the process. Mayor Gamache stated it seems like there is a lot going on between now and the new golf season and if the issues they talked about regarding multiple homes is going to meet with some type of opposition here and at the Planning Commission, that it would be sensible to try to keep the golf course open and look to sell or do other things with it. Mr. Olson stated they are thinking about opening it up this year but right now they have not decided and were looking at starting this application process and what to do with the piece of property. Mr. Olson explained to the public what wetland banking is. He noted it is like wetland mitigation and would be regenerated back to what it was originally. Councilmember Trude stated some of the residents were concerned that they did not even try to sell it. Mr. Olson stated they have had people come and look to buy but the numbers are not there and the road closure hurt them in 2004. It has been one thing after another and they have not been able to get out from under. They are looking at all the options. 0 Councilmember Trude stated whatever plans are brought forward she thought it would be a good idea to have a neighborhood meeting first to discuss what they want to do. Mr. Olson stated he understood but the application process is lengthy and they want to get it started as soon as possible. . They are open to looking at other options. Councilmember Orttel wondered if they would be willing to sell the property intact or would they make a better profit doing it another way. Mr. Olson stated they would be willing to look at selling the property as is if someone wanted to purchase the property. b. Sewer Staging Plan Request 14861 Prairie Road & 329146th Lane NW Councilmember Trude stated this is one they have heard from some of the individuals and she thought the reality was they have some pipes in the ground and they are not close to locations where. The applicants are seeking earlier dates in the city's sewer staging plan. The applicants own a couple of parcels at the end of the current sewer line and with no plans for development there is no justification to change the Comprehensive Plan. Mayor Gamache asked if at the Planning & Zoning meeting they received the information on some of the costs that they have already incurred. Mr. Neumeister stated they did not. Mr. Berkowitz stated the whole issue that came up was the applicants that are looking for change are asking the city to implement the Prairie Road Alternative 2, it was a separate item so staff was not prepared at that 0 time to have information at the meeting regarding the Prairie Road Alternative 2. Mr. Neumeister reviewed the plan with the Council. Councilmember Trude stated at this point they do not have anyone who would want to build on this 0 Regular Andover City Council Meeting Minutes - February 6, 2008 Page 6 property. Mr. Neumeister stated that 'is correct. Councilmember Trude noted it did not seem logical to build more trunk lines than what they have already. Councilmember Jacobson asked what the capacity is of the Yellow Pine line. Mr. Berkowitz clarified the costs of the Yellow Pine line. He noted they have capacity to accommodate the Constance Free Church area in this line. Mayor Gamache stated they have received some letters regarding the Bluebird Trunk sewer and the 180 percent TKDA put into a report and the 180 percent was previous numbers and they have done some things with Yellowpine and a few other places which have changed those factors. Mr. Berkowitz stated that was correct and the 180 percent is without the Yellowpine Lift Station. Before they get near any capacity issues, that lift station will be completed and a by-pass will be constructed so there will not be any issues with capacity. The Council discussed construction and costs of the Yellow Pine Trunk Line with staff. They also discussed staging plans in the future when development starts to pick up again. 0 Councilmember Trude stated she spent a lot of time reviewing this and agreed with staff's written recommendation on this request in order to get this out for the six month review with neighboring cities. She thought they may want to discuss this further at a workshop. Councilmember Knight agreed. Mr. Robert Day wanted to clarify a couple of things because what was difficult for them was they came in with two small parcels and with Mr. Holasek it got carried away at the Planning Commission. They are not asking to move forward; they are just asking to not go backwards, not to change. He stated there appears to be capacity to come off Prairie Road without doing a major trunk line. They are ultimately blocked against Winslow Holasek's properties so they only have two options. They are just asking that if the capacity is there, to not move them backwards. Mr. Day thought the Council is getting this confused with two issues. They are not looking at a major trunk. There is supposedly capacity to take the line up to their piece or further. Councilmember Orttel did not think this parcel should be pushed back any further but to change the staging to the immediate would be harmful but he thought moving them back may provide a hardship. Mr. Day noted this will be market driven and they are just looking to stay within the staging phase of2010-2015 and not get pushed back to 2025. Councilmember Knight stated they have to look at the entire area east of Prairie Road when making a decision. Staff discussed with the City Council the process that is planned to be taken in moving the line 0 forward in the future. Councilmember Jacobson asked if they kept the time frame of the property right now, are they legally obligated at that point to bring the line in at 2010 or could they wait until the area is ready. Mr. Day stated they would have to bear the cost. City Attorney Baumgartner thought at that point if 0 Regular Andover City Council Meeting Minutes - February 6, 2008 Page 7 it is available and ready to be attached, he thought it was the City's obligation to do this if it is in the Compo Plan frame. Mayor Gamache agreed with Councilmember Trude that they should discuss this further at a workshop. Councilmember Trude stated she would propose a motion for Items B and C. Motion by Trude, Seconded by Jacobson, to approve staffrecommendation of supplemental report of 02/0S/08 Items 2 & 3 as follows: 2. The second request from Mike Smith, Bob Day and Winslow Holasek is not supported primarily due to the fact that the sewer plan that was developed called the "Yellow Pine Alternative" is the most economical and efficient to serve the easterly undeveloped land in Andover that lies in the MUSA. 3. The third request from Woodland Development to change the S acres located North of 0 Woodland Sth Addition is supported and is a logical extension of sewer and a very small amendment to the MUSA boundary that is logical and prudent to make at this time. It has been studied extensively and can be served ~y the existing sewer pipes. And to discuss MUSA staging for the area around Prairie Road at an upcoming workshop. Councilmember Orttel stated he would be concerned if they move Mr. Day out ten years. He assumed the staging would remain the same and would be worked out with the extension of the trunk and may depend on one person's decision whether to move the trunk but they could develop in that time :frame and to move them out ten years would be quite a burden. Mr. Dickinson stated his suggestion on Councilmember Trude's motion is they could review some of the sewer related items at a future workshop. His goal is to get the Compo Plan out for review and this does not preclude them from sending addendums after that date. Councilmember Jacobson agreed with Councilmember Orttel about it being a burden by pushing it out further but at the same time when he looked at the pink color, changing that is more thanjust this parcel so they would have to look at that closely to see how it impacts those further to the north if they were to change it. Motion carried unanimously. 0 Councilmember Jacobson stated he reluctantly agreed to this. He will not consider anything beyond what was approved because he felt they need to get that Master Plan done and he did not want to do it in ten to fifteen acre parcels like they did before. If anything else comes before them on the Rural Reserve, he will vote no. 0 Regular Andover City Council Meeting Minutes - February 6, 2008 Page 8 NPDES (NATIONAL POLLUTANT DISCHARGE ELIMINATION SYSTEM) PRESENTATION & PUBLIC MEETING/08-1 Mr. Kytonen updated the Council regarding NPDES. There will be a workshop with the Anoka Conservation District taking place on March 18, 2008 from 6:30 - 8:00 p.m. It is called "A Water Smart Workshop". This will be a collaborative effort to talk about ways that property owners can save money on watering and also improve the quality of storm water run off through landscaping. Councilmember Knight asked if they are arriving at a point where the City is going to be mandating certain types of yards. Can they mandate that people would need to have rain gardens in their yard? Mr. Kytonen stated he was not sure if they could go that far but eventually they will be strongly encouraged and they may want to strongly consider these and even encourage these. Councilmember Knight asked if the Government is encouraging these types of gardens. Mr. 0 Berkowitz stated they are not at this point. What they are saying is that cities need to strongly consider educating the public on different alternatives and then when it comes to their own improvement projects of new development projects that will become mandatory. New developments coming in will be required to meet some of these requirements. Mayor Gamache asked if they will be looking at ordinance changes at this time. Mr. Berkowitz indicated they are not. Councilmember Orttel asked what types of things developers will need to change and improve to meet the new guidelines and is there some place where they can find out the costs. Mr. Berkowitz stated low impact development is very new. He stated they will see new regulations being put into place by the City. Councilmember Jacobson wondered with the downturn in housing, will that have an impact on changing their plan. Mr. Berkowitz stated this will not change their plans. What they are anticipating is there is going to be growth and eventually they will build out to full growth. He stated this just pushes the plan out further and they do have to treat for these conditions. Motion by Jacobson, Seconded by Knight, to open the public hearing at 8:40 p.m. Motion carried unanimously. Mr. Shawn Rogers, 169 142nd A venue, stated he had a few concerns and comments with the current 0 program. The biggest concern is looking at the storm and rainwater as a waste product. He hoped they could move away from what seems to be the pipe and pond method and instead they should be treating it as a natural resource to harness and help recharge the ground water supply because that is an issue they face in the summer. The idea of harvesting storm water as a natural resource is a national and local trend. He stated that by treating storm water as an asset will lead to more effective 0 Regular Andover City Council Meeting Minutes - February 6, 2008 Page 9 flood control, clean the water ways and recharge the ground water supply much more effectively. He was hoping Andover will be a leader in the North Metro and implement strategies to utilize storm water effectively as a natural resource. He also believed that implementing techniques in the future with low impact development techniques should be considered. He is requesting an update to the current ordinance to reflect a clear path for residents that work to reduce their storm water run off and receive a credit on their storm water management fee. Councilmember Trude stated everyone in the City is charged the Storm Water Management fee and it pays for the entire City's management. Mr. Berkowitz stated that is correct and there is a credit if you can prove your storm water is being contained within the property. A resident can go through a process to prove this and they can waive or reduce the fee. Mayor Gamache asked if the City has a way of showing people how to maintain the storm water properly. Mr. Rogers stated that was the problem; the ordinance is not very clear at all. The current ordinance does not even specify a clear path to do that. The Council discussed different ways to help with run off containment. 0 Mr. Rogers indicated he is not asking the City to make anything mandatory but he would like to see more education being brought to the residents regarding this issue. Motion by Jacobson, Seconded by Orttel, to close the public hearing at 9:00 p.m. Motion carried llnanimously. APPROVE AGREEMENT WITH NATIONAL SPORT CENTER Councilmember Jacobson stated he did not have a problem with the agreement but wanted to add something to it: "Subject to a legal agreement between the City and the Hockey Association, outlining the Hockey Association's responsibility to pay the costs associated with this agreement." He wanted to add that they hold the City harmless. Mr. Dickinson stated it is more for their enforcement purpose. He did not have a problem with it and he thought the Hockey Association is committed to the hours and thought they would be upset if they were taken away. Councilmember Jacobson did not want to take them away but if they do not use or pay for them the City has some way of recouping the costs. Mr. Tony Howard, 2119 156th Avenue, did not think they had a problem with the agreement. Currently they are using another five hundred hours over the two hundred and twenty hours they 0 are seeking so he did not think that would be an issue. Motion by Jacobson, Seconded by Knight, to approve the agreement with the National Sport Center. Motion carried unanimously. 0 Regular Andover City Council Meeting Minutes - February 6, 2008 Page 10 SCHEDULE EDA MEETING Motion by Jacobson, Seconded by Trude, schedule an EDA meeting on February 19, 2008 at 6:00 p.m. Motion carried unanimously. ADMINISTRATOR REPORT City Administrator Dickinson updated the Council on the administration and city department activities, meeting reminders and miscellaneous projects. Motion by Orttel, Seconded by Trude to hold a joint meeting with The Lower Rum River Management Organization on March 13,2008 at 7:00 p.m. Motion carried unanimously. Community Development Director Neumeister updated the Council on development activity in 0 the City. MAYOR/COUNCIL INPUT (Stop Sign Vandalism in the City) - Mayor Gamache stated he has noticed stop signs being vandalized and he wondered what should be done. Mr. Dickinson stated residents should call Public Works and they will take care of it as soon as possible. The City Council recessed to a closed session at 9:26 p.m. to discuss a stipulation agreement with Northern Natural Gas. The City Council reconvened at 9:37 p.m. to adjourn. Motion by Jacobson, Seconded by Orttel, to adjourn. Motion carried unanimously. The meeting adjourned at 9:40 p.m. Respectfully submitted, Susan Osbeck, Recording Secretary 0