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HomeMy WebLinkAboutDecember 2, 1993 ~J C) :J ~.. o o CITY of ANDOVER 1685 CROSSTOWN BOULEVARD N.w. . ANDOVER, MINNESOTA 55304 . (612) 755-5100 Park and Recreation Commission Meeting December 2, 1993 7:30 P.M. 1, Call to prder 2. Residents Forum 3. Approval of Minutes 4. Review of Crown pointe East Sketch Plan 5. Review Crown pointe preliminary plat park Dedication 6. Review Hills of Bunker Lake 5th Addition Park Dedication 7. Recommend Joint Powers Agreement/Kelsey Round Lake Park 8 . 9. Chairman's Report 10. Adjournment o (j ~1Gl3 :J ~ CITY of ANDOVER PARK AND RECREATION COMMISSION - DECEMBER 2, 1993 MINUTES The Regular Bi-Monthly Meeting of the Andover Park and Recreation Commission was called to order by Acting Chairperson Darrell DeLarco on December 2, 1993, 7:32 p.m., at the Andover City Hall, 1685 Crosstown Boulevard NW, Andover, Minnesota. Commissioners present: Tom Anderson, Mike Auger, Jim Lindahl, Dave O'Toole Jeff Kieffer, Roger Paulson Assistant City Engineer, Todd Haas Park Department Supervisor, Kevin Starr Others Commissioners absent: Also present: APPROVAL OF MINUTES November 18, 1993: Correct as written. MOTION by Anderson, Seconded wri tten. Motion carried on (Kieffer, Paulson) vote. by O'Toole, to approve the Minutes as a 4-Yes, I-Present (Auger), 2-Absent :) REVIEW OF CROWN POINTE EAST SKETCH PLAN Acting Chairperson DeLarco suggested the item be tabled until the City Council makes its decision on the rezoning and the issues with the Environmental Assessment Worksheet. Jerrv WindschitL Ashford Development stated regarding the Environmental Assessment Worksheet, knowledge, have been resolved by City Staff. The heard the information on Tuesday, November 30, and City Council for their review on December 7. all of the issues to the best of his Planning Commission forwarded it to the :J Pat Shroeder, 720 NW Andover Boulevard - stated the EAW was referred to the Planning and Zoning Commission because many, many people in the community didn't feel this is an appropriate rezoning. She wasn't at the Planning Commission meeting on Tuesday, so she did not know whether the item was referred back to the City Council with a negative or positive recommendation. The fact is to many people it would be more appropriate to develop the area into 2 Ij2-acre parcels. She stated this issue is not resolved, and residents are here tonight because they still are opposed to the proposed rezoning and want to make their feelings known. They want to maintain the quality of life many of them established years ago. Many have large parcels of five acres or more with horses, and they are concerned with providing some means of access for their horses to get to the Bunker prairie Park. Tonv Emmerich - asked if the issue before the Commission is a park issue. Acting Chairperson DeLarco stated it is. , , \J u Regular Andover Park and Recreation Commission Meeting Minutes - December 2, 1993 Page 2 " , ) (Crown pointe East Sketch Plan, Continued) Mr. Emmerich - didn't feel the Park Board should get side tracked with the EAW issue. Mr. Haas also recommended the Commission review the proposed sketch plan of Crown pointe East. The issue of access for horses to Bunker Prairie Park is more appropriate in the next agenda item, that is the review of Crown pointe preliminary plat park dedication. The Commission agreed, and reviewed the sketch plan of Crown pointe East. Mr. Windschi tl stated they were following the park plan in the Comprehensive Plan for the trail system in Crown Pointe, but the trail did not continue to the east. Also, he didn't include any park land dedication in Crown pointe East thinking the Commission would rather have cash in lieu of land. He noted the Hills of Bunker Lake to the south will have a substantial amount of park land, but he is willing to do whatever the Commission asks, noting the proposal is to develop 108 urban lots. '1 " .J In discussing the sketch plan, the Commission generally felt there is a need for a tot lot in that area because of the large number of lots being developed. They suggested a tot lot be located in the center of the plat around Area 3. There was also discussion on a trail system in that vicinity and on the request for designating horse trails. Ms. Shroeder - stated a tot lot does not address their issue. The people in the neighborhood want a legal place where they are allowed to ride their horses. Riding along prairie Road to the county park is dangerous. Now they use the park in Barnes Rolling Oaks. This is the time to plan for those trails to accommodate the residents who are here. They would not only like a trail along the railroad tracks, but also a means of getting from prairie Road west to the tracks, then south to the county park. The Commission had some concerns about the cost of developing horse trails, about mixing horse trails with other uses (walking, biking), and questioned the use factor as the number of people riding horses will probably diminish as the population increases. They asked if the horse riders would be able to use the railroad easement rather than have to develop a separate trail along side of it. Also, right now the ordinance bans horses within City parks. " / Ms. Shroeder - stated the Park Commission now has an opportunity to specifically provide for these residents by designating trails where they can also ride horses. The trails could be for mixed uses, noting that is being done in several places in Minnesota. She stated the Commission can amend the ordinance to allow horses on designated trails and again asked them to consider the request of the existing residents. , I J ., '-J Regular Andover Park and Recreation Commission Meeting Minutes - December 2, 1993 Page 3 / (Crown pointe East Sketch Plan, Continued) The Commission wanted more information on combining horse trails with other uses before they could make a recommendation. They were not sure they wanted horses in City parks. Ms. Shroeder - stated the residents would like the Park Commission to research it further and consider the existing residents, not just the new ones that will be coming in. The Commission stated the trails can be discussed again in the next agenda item, but they did not wish to designate a trail within the proposed plat from prairie Road to the railroad tracks. They then returned to the proposal for a tot lot within the plat, suggesting either Area 3 or Area 15. The intent would be a tot lot only, not ball fields. Any remaining park dedication would be taken as cash in lieu of land. Mr. Windschitl - stated he will review the development and propose several options for a tot lot for the Commission to choose located in the center with good access to it. He felt Area 3 would make a nice park as it is wooded and easily accessible from all areas of the plat. The Commission agreed to look at options that Mr. Windschitl will propose. / REVIEW CROWN POINTE PRELIMINARY PLAT PARK DEDICATION Jerrv Windschitl, Ashford Development - stated he has no problem with the original proposal for park land. He has provided an additional strip of land along the railroad tracks north to the street for a trail; however, if the Park Commission does not want it, he is willing to delete it as park land. That strip is very heavily wooded, and many trees would have to be removed to construct a trail. The Commission again discussed a trail system and concerns with the proposal for a horse trail. A resident had talked to representatives of Burlington Northern Railroad about riding horses in their easement. They did not have a specific problem with the horses, but were concerned with the four wheelers. They would not, however, give specific permission to use that easement. Pat Shroeder, 720 NW Andover Boulevard - again stated they are looking for a dedicated trail for horses, not for permission to ride along the railroad tracks. The City can do what the county does with horse tails, put up fence posts with cable through it at the access points so a horse can wind around but motor vehicles cannot. Those trails will be designated as new plats come in. There are a lot of people who own and board horses in that area. / Mr. Windschitl - felt the number of horse owners will diminish in that area, especially since those south of Andover Boulevard and east of the railroad tracks have recently requested to be in the MUSA. It could be a question of how many people will be using the trails and the cost of constructing them.