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HomeMy WebLinkAboutJune 22, 1993 o u /~ I 'J ~ CITY of ANDOVER PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING - JUNE 22, 1993 MINUTES The Regular Bi-Monthly Meeting of the Andover Planning and zoning Commission was called to order by Chairperson Bonnie Dehn on June 22, 1993, 7:30 p.m. at the Andover City Hall, 1685 Crosstown Boulevard NW, Andover, Minnesota. Commissioners present: Maynard Apel, Bev Jovanovich, Randy Peek, Jay Squires (arrived at 7:31 p.m.) Marc McMullen, Becky Pease Assistant City Engineer, Todd Haas City Planner, David Carlberg Others Commissioners absent: Also present: APPROVAL OF MINUTES June 8, 1993: Correct as written. MOTION by Peek, Seconded by Apel, approval of the Minutes as presented. Motion carried on a 5-Yesr 3-Absent (McMullen, Pease, Squires) vote. o PUBLIC HEARING: PRELIMINARY PLAT - EMERALD GLEN, ASHFORD DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION AND SHAMROCK DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION - SW 1/4 OF THE SE 1/4, SECTION 34 7:31 p.m. Mr. Haas reviewed the proposed preliminary pat of Emerald Glen located along the southern border of the City and Jay Street. It is currently zoned R-4 in the MUSA and is proposed to be developed into 47 single family urban residential lots. He outlined the three concerns of the Andover Review Committee. One has been addressed satisfactorily by the developer's engineering firm, Hakanson Anderson Associates, Inc., regarding the site distance at Martin Street and 133rd. The other concern is the proposed bubble at the intersection of 134th Avenue NW and Martin Street NW. The Public Works Department is recommending the bubble not be constructed because of the dangerous situation that will occur when snowplowing. The Council recently directed that Staff try to avoid these bubbles in future developments. () Mr. Haas explained the last concern is the exception area included as part of the preliminary plat. It is the Staff recommendation that the exception be eliminated and that the lot lines of Lots 1-3 and 14-16, Block 2 be extended to a common property line. This allows the property owners to maintain the area and eliminates the City's responsibility for that property. They have found that property owners in other developments have been utilizing these areas by growing gardens and storing their personal goods. The suggestion is the property owners maintain that area rather than the City. Mr. Haas reviewed the history of this exception area and the need for the City to buy the easement as a part of the comprehensive storm drainage system for the entire area. In checking with the City of Coon Rapids, the funds are available for the purchase of that easement. , , / \ '.J , \ '---.../ Andover Planning and zoning Commission Meeting Minutes - June 22, 1993 Page 2 / (Public Hearing: Preliminary Plat, Emerald Glen, Continued) The hearing was then opened for public testimony. Jerrv Windschitl, Ashford Development, 3640 152nd Lane - stated the issue of the bubble at 134th Avenue and Martin Street has been addressed before. Bubbles have been allowed in Andover for at least 20 years and have been constructed in other developments, one as recently as a couple months ago. However, he did have his engineer do a computer setup to square that intersection and still maintain the correct setbacks on all three lots. Mr. Haas felt that is a better solution but suggested a 20- foot radius within the right of way to round the corner rather than create a square intersection. Mr. Windschitl - felt a 20-foot radius would be close but may still meet the setbacks. Mr. Haas stated to avoid any need for variances, he would try to make the curve within the right of way. The Commission generally agreed with Mr. Haas. Mr. Windschitl stated the exception lot is owned by Shamrock Development, but he will try to explain Mr. Stanton's position on it. The pond in the exception should have been purchased five years ago when the comprehensive storm sewer plan was done. There clearly has been money assessed to purchase it; and Coon Rapids has verified that they have $15,000 to acquire this pond, though there is a question as to whether that inc 1 udes grading on the pond or not. Mr. Stanton's position on the pond is that it not become part of the lots because of the liability issue. Extending the lot lines as proposed by Staff would make the lots close to 400 feet in depth, with the back part encumbered by a drainage and utility easement. It is part of a very large regional drainage system created by Andover and Coon Rapids. If Mr. Stanton did nothing, the City would have to acquire the pond because it is needed for storage for the entire drainage system to work. Mr. Windschitl stated there is also the issue of the park land. If the pond had been acquired, it wouldn't be included for park land dedication. It could be argued that Mr. Stanton should not owe park dedication for something he won't own. He felt the pond acquisition is more of a legal issue than a platting issue, that it has no effect on the plat. / The Commission debated the issue of the City acquiring the pond in fee versus acquiring only the easements with the fee to go to the lots. Commissioner Apel felt the City is trying to dump the liability onto private property owners when it really is the responsibility of the city. Mr. Haas explained the City incurs the liability if it acquires the property, which is what they are trying to avoid; that they have found in other developments that the residents tend to use the property; and that the extension of property lines to eliminate exceptions has been done in all recent plats. The ordinance clearly states the developer is required to dedicate the drainage easements. The problem is Mr. Stanton should have approached the City in 1989 to acquire the pond; but instead he waited until he platted it. The Review Committee can only respond to the Water Management Resource Plan, and the Council will make the decision on whether or not to buy the land. C) ( \ U Andover Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes - June 22, 1993 , Page 3 ./ (Public Hearing: Preliminary Plat, Emerald Glen, Continued) Mr. Windschitl - stated the feasibility report for this development indicates the funds were set aside for the purchase of the ponding area as a part of the overall trunk storm sewer design. It is anticipated Coon Rapids will reimburse the developer for the 1.9 acres. Mr. Stanton's position is the pond should be acquired in fee. In response to an inquiry from the Commission, Mr. Windschitl stated the intent is not to install development monument signs. MOTION by Apel, Seconded by Jovanovich, to close the public hearing. Motion carried on a 5-Yes, 2-Absent (McMullen, Pease) vote. Discussion continued on issue of acquiring the ponding area in fee as opposed to acquiring easement only. Mr. Haas stated the Council didn't really take a position. The money is available, but he doesn't know if more storage needs to be created. In any event, it doesn't have anything to do with the plat. Commissioner Squires felt felt it is a question as to what interest the City is acquiring in that property, and based on that, what responsibility is the City going to assume. , , Commissioner Apel again argued that the City should accept the liability and responsibility for regional type ponds because it is something that benefits the whole area, not just the six lots. Chairperson Dehn suggested they ask that the City Council consider this matter and have it looked at by the City Attorney. '- .-/ Mr. Windschitl - agreed that it is strictly a legal issue and has nothing to do with the platting process. Everybody agrees that either Coon Rapids or Andover will acquire the land from Mr. Stanton. He stated historically the City has acquired regional ponds in fee. Mr. Haas disputed that, stating not in all cases. MOTION by Apel, Seconded by Peek, recommend the Planning and Zoning Commission approve a Resolution being sent to the City Council approving the preliminary plat of Emerald Glen as being developed by Ashford Development Corporation and Shamrock Development Corporation, located in Section 34, Township 32, Range 24, Anoka County, Minnesota. Change No. 1 to read, "Removal of the bubble located at the intersection of Martin Street NW and 134th Avenue NW, and change the plat to conform to a new road alignment in the area, changing the bubble to a square corner turn with a minimum radius of 20 feet." Make Item 4 on the Resolution Item 2. Make Item 5 on the Resolution Item 3. A new Item 4 to read, "A great deal of discussion took place regarding the exception. The P & Z was uncomfortable with the discrepancy as to who should own the fee of this particular property. It is, therefore, recommended that the City Council act with the advise of their Attorney and take into consideration Staff recommendation to determine who should best end up '\ owning the fee. Eliminate Items 2 and 3 shown in the prepared '_./ Resolution. :. ) \ o Andover Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes - June 22, 1993 Page 4 , I (Public Hearing: Preliminary Plat, Emerald Glen, Continued) DISCUSSION: Commissioner Squires did have a concern about the City owning all these little ponds in fee. He thought the City has an interest to acquire to the extent it needs the property for drainage purposes, and he didn't see any reason that the City should acquire an interest more than it needs and is generated by the surrounding developments. Commissioner Apel argued it is a regional pond designed under the auspices of the Coon Creek Watershed and is quite a bit different than meeting the needs in the plat. Mr. Haas repeated the Water Resources Management Plan requires the developer to provide or design ultimately for the entire area as if he is the first one there. VOTE ON MOTION: Carried unanimously. This will be on the July 20, 1993, City Council Agenda for their consideration. 8:25 p.m. PUBLIC HEARING: LOT SPLIT - 13350 HANSON BOULEVARD NW, MARDAUS \ 8:25 P.M. Mr. Carlberg reviewed the proposed lot split of Marilyn and Milton Mardaus to subdivide .88 acres from a 2.87-acre parcel at 13350 Hanson Boulevard NW. It is the north 100 feet of their property being created to construct a single family home or to rezone to Industrial. It is currently zoned R-4. The new parcel would abut industrial property to the north and residential property to the west and south. They will also be required to hook up to City sewer and water on the northern parcel being created. ) The hearing was opened for public testimony. Milton Mardaus, 13350 Hanson Boulevard NW - had no objection from the county for an entrance to the county road. He has decided he'd prefer to rezone the property to Industrial, asking if that can be done along with the lot split. He has a purchase agreement for the two acres, but they can't afford the whole piece of property. In order to make the property salable, they need the lot split. Mr. Carlberg explained the rezoning would need to go through another public hearing process and suggested he wait until he has a sound purchase agreement before requesting the rezoning. MOTION by Jovanovich, Seconded by Peek, to close the public hearing. Motion carried on a 5-Yes, 2-Absent (McMullen, Pease) vote. MOTION by Peek, Seconded by Squires, that the Andover Planning and zoning Commission approve the attached Resolution of the lot split request of Marilyn and Milton Mardaus to create two parcels pursuant to Ordinance No. 40 at 13350 Hanson Boulevard NW. Motion carried on a 5- Yes, 2-Absent (McMullen, Pease) vote. This will be placed on the July 20, 1993, City Council agenda. 8:35 p.m. \ / \ '-...-J u Andover Planning and zoning Commission Meeting Minutes - June 22, 1993 Page 5 PUBLIC HEARING: SPECIAL USE PERMIT - IN-HOME BEAUTY SALON, 524 159TH AVENUE NW, MARY HAMMENT 8:35 p.m. Mr. Carlberg reviewed the request of Mary Hamment to operate an in-home beauty salon at 524 159th Avenue NW, noting the applicable ordinances. Staff recommends approval contingent upon several conditions. In addition, he suggested a seventh Staff condition, that is that the Special Use Permit would terminate with the sale of the property. Another condition may be that retail sales are prohibited except those clearly incidental to the services provided per Ordinance 8, Section 4.30. Mr. Carlberg noted a letter has been received from the applicant indicating the hours of operation would be Monday and Wednesday, 12 to 8 p.m., and Thursday, 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. He also had a picture of the residence which indicates the driveway is large enough to accommodate the parking requirements. If parking becomes a problem, it can be evaluated at the time of the annual review. Commissioner Squires asked if the Special Use Permit would be recorded since it runs with the owner, not with the land. Mr. Carlberg stated all Special Use Permits are recorded. , j The hearing was opened for public testimony. Marv Hamment, 524 159th Avenue NW - didn't expect any traffic problems, as there would not be more than one car at a time. She set her hours to accommodate her clients. Her present employer is closing down and selling the building, so she wants to put her shop in her home to accommodate her cliental. It is strictly a part-time business. MOTION by Apel, Seconded by Jovanovich, to close the public hearing. Motion carried on a 5-Yes, 2-Absent (McMullen, Pease) vote. MOTION by Peek, Seconded by Jovanovich, that the Andover Planning and Zoning Commission recommends approval of the Resolution granting the Special Use Permit request of Mary Hamment to operate an in-home beauty salon at 524 159th Avenue NW with the following amendments: No. 2 to include the requested hours of operation (Monday and Wednesday, 12 to 8 p.m.; Thursday, 9 a.m. to 5 p.m.); and to add No. 18, the excerpt from Ordinance 8, Section 4.30 that on-site sales shall be prohibited except those clearly incidental to the services provided. Motion carried on a 5-Yes, 2-Absent (MCMullen, Pease) vote. This will be place on the July 20, 1993, Council agenda. 8:50 p.m. PUBLIC HEARING: SPECIAL USE PERMIT CONSTRUCTION OF ACCESSORY STRUCTURE PRIOR TO PRINCIPAL, PIN 10-32-24-41-0001, ROGER KJELLBERG \ '- .J 8:50 p.m. construct principal NW. The Mr. Carlberg reviewed the request of Roger Kjellberg to a 36' x 52' accessory structure prior to construction of a structure in the area of 167th Avenue NW and Hanson Boulevard lot is approximately 35 acres and is zoned R-1, Single Family \ "~ , '-..) Andover Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes - June 22, 1993 Page 6 / (Public Hearing: Special Use Permit, Construction of Accessory Structure Prior to Principal, R. Kjellberg, Continued) Rural. The structure is to be used for storage and for the raising of pheasants. Because a majority of the area is in the floodplain, the Building Official doesn't feel it is a buildable parcel for a principal structure. The applicant does not have plans to build the principal structure at this time. Mr. Carlberg did not feel this meets the requirements for an agriculture building. Because of the wetland regulations, the only way to access the property is from 167th, though there is more than 300 feet of frontage on Hanson Boulevard. Commissioner Apel stated the City has not been very receptive to the construction of accessory structures without consideration for building a principal structure except in specific circumstances such as for agricultural use, when a principal structure is to be built within a specific time frame or in one instance when the owner lived across the street. Mr. Carlberg stated there is also the concern of vandalism with no one being there to watch the building. The hearing was opened for public testimony. J Roqer Kiellberq, 6107 Campton Avenue N, Brooklvn Center - is one of the property owners. They bought the 35 acres to use. The accessory building will not be a pole barn but will be a garage-type structure. They want to house a few pieces of farm equipment to get it out of the weather and to keep them under lock and key. They just sold their property in Plymouth and need to store their equipment. They cannot afford to build a house and they are not sure when they will build it. They will try to raise game birds for an income and to slowly work into farming parts of the parcel. The property is not being farmed now, and he believes part of it is wetland. He is trying to get set up and move into the rest of his plans in stages. The Commission suggested he check further as to whether or not he would be able to begin farming that land because of the new wetlands regulations. They did not feel the request meets the agricultural permitted use. If he is able to farm the property, they suggested he begin the farming operation first, then corne in with a request for an agricultural building. Or, if he carne in with plans for a principal structure within a reasonable period of time, then this request may meet the ordinance requirements. \ I Mr. Kiellberq - expressed frustration that he bought the 35 acres and is not able to use it. It is basically brush and not what he'd consider a swamp. He bought the land to farm it and eventually build a house on it. Right now he just wants a building to put his equipment in to get them out of the weather and to avoid vandalism. The Commission noted he could have corne to the City to find out what can be done with property before buying it. They suggested he check with the City ordinances and state law regarding agricultural uses and the wetlands regulations. possibly some soil borings will have to be done to find out whether the parcel is buildable for a house. \ " ) , '\ 'J Andover Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes - June 22, 1993 Page 7 / (Public Hearing: Special Use Permit, Construction of Accessory Structure Prior to Principal, R. Kjellberg, Continued) MOTION by Apelr Seconded by Jovanovich, to close the public hearing. Motion carried on a 5-Yes, 2-Absent (McMullen, Pease) vote. MOTION by Jovanovich, Seconded by Peek, that the Andover Planning and Zoning Commission recommend denial of the Special Use Permit request by Roger Kjellberg for the construction of an accessory structure prior to the construction of a principal structure to be located at 167th Avenue NW and Hanson Boulevard NW. The Commission finds that it does not meet the criteria established in Ordinance No.8, Section 5.03; that it does not meet the Ordinance No.8, Section 4.05(3) where it states that no accessory building or use shall be constructed or developed on a lot prior to the time of construction of the principal building except by Special Use Permit; and also Section 4.05. A public hearing was held. The Commission finds that the proposed use is not an agricultural use under the Zoning Ordinance and State statutes and that the construction of an accessory use is determined to be improper where it is doubtful that a principal structure could be erected due to the lowlands. Motion carried on a 5-Yes, 2-Absent (McMullen, Pease) vote. This will be on the July 20, 1993, City Council agenda. 9:12 p.m. / PUBLIC HEARING: SPECIAL USE PERMIT - COMMERCIAL GREENHOUSE, COMMERCIAL RECREATIONAL FACILITIES AND CONSTRUCTION OF AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE PRIOR TO PRINCIPAL - 17154 SEVENTH AVENUE NW, HARE STUART 9:12 p.m. The Commission asked what happens to the Special Use Permit granted within the last year for this property to allow the construction of a church. Mr. Carlberg stated a Special Use Permit goes with the property; however, the church requesting that permit did not purchase the property. Staff will check with legal counsel before going to the City Council to make sure there is no conflict. Mr. Carlberg then reviewed the request of Hare Stuart to operate a commercial greenhouse, a commercial recreational facility and to construct accessory buildings prior to the construction of a principal structure. There are no plans to build a principal structure on the parcel. In order to consider the commercial recreational facility, the property would have to be rezoned to a General Recreational District; therefore, it has been determined that it is not a permitted use. The hearing was opened for public testimony. ) Hare Stuart, 15921 Fox Street NW - stated the firm is not planning to do anything related to recreation and asked to delete that area of discussion. The reason for this location is they need additional space, noting his present location at the corner of Bunker Lake and Hanson Boulevards. When he started there, it was primarily wholesale. They have since combined wholesale and retail. Because of the contamination of the soils there, they are moving the retail operations to Coon Rapids, Ramsey and Rochester. They plan to keep the production area in Andover. \ ) , \ '-.-/ Andover Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes - June 22, 1993 Page 8 (Public Hearing: Special Use Permit, Commercial Greenhouse, Construction of Accessory Structure Prior to Principal, H. Stuart, Continued) Mr. Stuart explained the proposed operation off Seventh Avenue. The first ten acres would consist of approximately 15,000 shade trees to screen the rest of the activities to the west and to create a natural habitat for wildlife. They will market the shade trees by allowing people to the site on Sunday afternoons and inviting them to pick out the tree they would like to buy. It will then be dug. It is similar to the tree farms, but with no where near the traffic congestion. The next ten acres would consist of u-pick raspberries and strawberries, which is needed in Andover. Beyond that 20 acres they would locate the building, a large pole building with greenhouses extending out from it. It would not be visible to anyone around because of the elevation. What was proposed to be the tubing area would instead to used to grow various species of shrubs. The land would also have a test garden where they produce 22 varieties of hostas and certain species of perennials. There is a very large pond in the back. He was thinking of including a parking lot primarily for educational horticultural tours through their perennial gardens where schools, day care students, horticultural classes, etc., would be invited to view the different species. This would be done for free as a part of Harefield Farm's continuing contribution to the community. Behind the parking lot would be a tissue culture lab where he works on a variety of research projects. That would be a closed facility to the public. / Mr. Stuart stated the only retail sales would be in the pole barn of the shade trees and the u-pick berries. All other products would be sold to various wholesale buyers. There would be no sale of rocks, fertilizers, bagged goods, bedding plants, etc. He felt the proposal fits well with the area, which is primarily agricultural, and would not affect the existing residential parcels. They want to blend in with the surroundings and have an environmentally sound operation. There would be a minimum amount of traffic, with only four or five employees at various times of the year, the daily UPS trucks and the semi-flats which ship the shrubs about once or twice a week during April, May and June and once a week in the September. Chairperson Dehn felt the operation could see 20 to 50 cars per weekend, or more. She also expressed concern with the traffic because of the hill on Seventh Avenue. Mr. Stuart - estimated about 50 to 100 cars a weekend, which is less than the 500 cars per service which could have been expected under the church's Special Use Permit. The parking lot is 30 acres back from the road. This is a closed facility designed more for the Andover residents. They are getting out of the retail business and moving back to the wholesale. Chairperson Dehn asked if a holding area will be used for the fertilizers in the greenhouses, waste products, fertilizer runoff, etc. Mr. Stuart - stated they have a separate area in the pole building to store the fertilizers. He does not use liquid fertilizer so he is not aware of any agricultural runoff. \. .-) " ) Andover Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes - June 22, 1993 Page 9 (Public Hearing: Special Use Permit, Commercial Greenhouse, Construction of Accessory Structure Prior to Principal, H. Stuart, Continued) Ernie Pfannschmidt, 1710 Third Avenue S, Anoka - borders this property for three-fourths of a mile and uses his property for hunting. He expects to spend the rest of his years enjoying the habitat and game. The proposal makes him shudder, feeling to bring the public into the area, the traffic generated and the public access, would be detrimental to what he has there now. This area has a rise in the road which makes the traffic problem on Seventh Avenue. A proposed restaurant in this same area was turned down years ago because of the traffic and safety issue. Mr. pfannschmidt stated what he was told in the lobby by Mr. Stuart regarding the raspberry and strawberry production and statements about selling to the whole country and to supplying five states don't jibe. He understood Harefield Farms was in bankruptcy, which isn't encouraging to him regarding the soundness of the business. He has real questions which he intends to investigate further, but he didn't have time to do so before this hearing. He asked the Commission to consider the use an inappropriate development. J Frank Padula, 4550 173rd Avenue NW - stated there is a big park across the river from the pfannschmidt property which will be developed by Anoka County. That will generate a lot of traffic on that road. His only concern is the fertilizer running back into the river. It is agricultural land now with corn being raised. The proposal is an agricultural use, and he didn't think it mattered whether corn or raspberries were grown there. If Mr. Stuart purchased the property, he should be able to use it anyway he wants to. Mrs. Dalv - owned the second lot down from the highland plus a farm across from the turkey farm. They do a lot of hunting too. She is not against it being agricultural. But the Commission would not let the young man in the previous request put a barn in without a principal structure, and she felt Mr. Stuart should have to meet the same requirements, that is to be living on the land. They will be able to see the buildings, and so will Mr. and Mrs. Schmelzer. Mr. Stuart - stated Harefield Farms reorganized because of a large amount of taxes due to the inventory. The agricultural industry is a high-risk business where some years are good and some years are not so good. He stated Harefield Farms is on a sound financial footing at this point in time. Mr. Stuart also indicated he is opposed to hunting and guns, especially in Andover because of the population. He felt traffic is inevitable, that his proposal would not generate any more than the proposed church and scheol; and if this property is not farmed, it will be developed into residential housing. This is a seasonable business and they have proved themselves as a quality operation fitting into the community and observing the ordinances. He stated Harefield Farms has contributed heavily to the Andover community, and he feels this is something the community needs. J Mr. pfannschmidt - rebutted Mr. Stuart's statements on hunting, knowing of no accidents in their area. He stated his land is used for hunting, , ) '--./ , , \ I. I '"_____0- Andover Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes - June 22, 1993 \ Page 10 / (Public Hearing: Special Use Permit, Commercial Greenhouse, Construction of Accessory Structure Prior to Principal, H. Stuart, Continued) not farming, and that is not going to change. He again stated it is horrible what is being proposed and that he is going to investigate it further. Mr. Carlberg reported there are some violations on their present property. If the Special Use Permit is approved, he suggested the conditions be established. With his current permit, the City was told it would be mostly wholesale, but that wasn't the case and has gone beyond what was indicated to the Commission at that time. MOTION by Apel, Seconded by Jovanovich, to close the public hearing. Motion carried on a 5-Yes, 2-Absent (McMullen, Pease) vote. The Commission recessed at 9:50; reconvened at 9:57 p.m. The Commission then discussed the request. Mr. Carlberg explained that as an agricultural practice, up to 20 percent of the land area can be covered by buildings; and the proposal is well within that requirement. He also understood that the sale of products that are grown on the property is permissible, but products cannot be imported to the property and sold. That would be a commercial business. Staff is concerned with the parking conditions. He also understood that a certain level of the income has to corne off the property for it to be considered agricultural, noting the State statutes regulate agricultural practices and agricultural buildings. / The Commission had some concern that the proposal remain the sale of agricultural products grown on the land and not move the present operation to that location. Concern was also expressed with the parking conditions and the use of the back 34 acres. Mr. Carlberg felt the real issues are the number of green houses, the retail service, the research lab, and the pole structure with fertilizers. Mr. Stuart - stated there would be no retail items. The Commission was uncomfortable moving forward with this item without a more specific layout of what is being proposed, since some changes have been made to the proposal before them which shows the commercial recreational area. A concern was also raised about whether or not a principal structure is needed on property when an agricultural building is requested and just what constitutes agricultural uses. Mr. Stuart - asked that the item be tabled to allow him time to prepared a detailed outline of how the land will be used and to meet with Mr. Carlberg regarding what is allowed and what is required. Under agriculture, he is a farm; and his farmstead and principal structure is on Fox Street. , / MOTION by Apel, Seconded by Jovanovich, to table this to the next regularly scheduled meeting and that we direct the Staff, Mr. Carlbergr to try to answer some of these questions that we brought up and also give Mr. Stuart more time to give a detailed proposal. Motion carried on a 5-Yes, 2-Absent (McMullenr Pease) vote. 10:13 p.m. I \. _/ , ' , .' Andover Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes - June 22, 1993 Page 11 "\ / PUBLIC HEARING: AMEND ORDINANCE NO.8, SECTION 8.08, PARKING REQUIREMENTS - CURB CUT STANDARDS 10:13 p.m. Mr. Carlberg explained that in discussing the requirements for curb cuts in residential districts with the various City Departments, the most reasonable proposal is to allow a 30-foot maximum curb cut on properties other than cul-de-sacs. Anything more than that would require a variance. Cul-de-sac maximum curb cuts would remain at 24 feet. The other item he proposed, which is not written into the proposed ordinance, is that the 30-foot cut would extend from the curb to the property line; not fan to a wider driveway directly from the curb. The right of way is still considered part of the street. The Commission generally agreed to the proposal but preferred to act on an accurately prepared amendment. MOTION by Apel, Seconded by Peek, to table the public hearing on No. 8 until the next regularly scheduled meeting and that Staff readvertise. Motion carried on a 5-Yes, 2-Absent (McMullen, Pease) vote. OTHER BUSINESS "\ / Mr. Carlberg provided copies of an article in the St. Paul pioneer Press indicating Andover has the third highest residential building permits pulled for 1993 through the end of April. The City is estimating between 500 and 600 new permits this year, and the City Council is discussing the possibility of asking for another 200 acres of land to be placed within the MUSA. There being no further business, Chairperson Dehn declared the meeting adjourned. 10:24 p.m. Respectfully submitted, \\(\ ~ -C;X;:LUL ~~~la A. Peach Recording Secretary , /