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HomeMy WebLinkAboutApril 25, 1995 ~) u o 7:00 p.m. o o CITY of ANDOVER ANDOVER PLANNING & ZONING COMMISSION MEETING AGENDA April 25, 1995 1. Call to Order 2. Approval of Minutes: April 11, 1995 3. Public Hearing: Lot Split - 1519 148th Lane NW Bernard and Carol Jones. 4. Public Hearing: Special Use Permit - Area Identification Sign - Timber Meadows III - Woodland Development Company. 5. Public Hearing: Special Use Permit - Area Identification Sign - Woodland Meadows II - Woodland Development Company. 5. Public Hearing: Special Use Permit - Real Estate Sign - Lot 1, Block 8, Woodland Creek - Woodland Development Company. 6. Public Hearing: Amend Ordinance No.8, Section 8.23, Residential Building Standards. 7. Public llearing: Preliminary Plat - Crowne Point Section 26 - Ashford Development Corporation. 8. Sketch Plan - Shadowbrook - Section 36 - Bunker, LLC. 9. Other Business 10. Adjournment o o ~qS o -"",."..",;" "."," /OJ. ~, 1'\/' "'" CITY of ANDOVER 1685 CROSSTOWN BOULEVARD N,W. . ANDOVER, MINNESOTA 55304. (612) 755-5100 PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING - APRIL 25, 1995 MINUTES The Regular Bi-Monthly Meeting of the Andover Planning and zoning Commission was called to order by Acting Chairperson Maynard Apel on April 25, 1995, 7:00 p.m. at the Andover City Hall, 1685 Crosstown Boulevard NW, Andover, Minnesota. Commissioners present: Catherine Doucette, Bev Jovanovich, Jeffrey Luedtke, Jerry Putnam Randy Peek, Jay Squires Assistant City Engineer, Todd Haas City Engineer, Scott Erickson City Planning Director, David Carlberg Others Commissioners absent: Also present: APPROVAL OF MINUTES April 11, 1995: Page 2, Clarify that the special meeting with the City Council will be held on Tuesday, May 23, 1995, at 6 p.m., not May 9 as originally reported. o PUBLIC HEARING: LOT SPLIT - 1519 148TH LANE NW - BERNARD AND CAROL JONES Mr. Carlberg asked that the item be tabled. In doing the final report, it was discovered the property needs to be rezoned from R-1 to R-4. Both the lot split and rezoning will be brought to the Planning Commission on May 9. MOTION by Doucette, Seconded by Jovanovich, to table Agenda #3 public hearing, lot split at 1519 148th Lane NW to the May 9 meeting. Motion carried on a 5-Yes, 2-Absent (Peek, Squires) vote. PUBLIC HEARING: SPECIAL USE PERMIT - AREA IDENTIFICATION SIGN - TIMBER MEADOWS III - WOODLAND DEVELOPMENT COMPANY 7:06 p.m. Mr. Carlberg reviewed the request for a Special Use Permit to erect an area identification sign on Lot 3, Block 1, Timber Meadows III. He noted the applicable ordinances and criteria to be examined. Staff is recommending approval with conditions. There have been no problems with maintenance on permanent area identification signs by Woodland Development, but the maintenance agreement is a key issue. o MOTION by Doucette, Seconded by Leudtke, to open the public hearing. Motion carried on a 5-Yes, 2-Absent (Peek, Squires) vote. 7:11 p.m. There was no public testimony. MOTION by Leudtke, Seconded by Jovanovich, to close the public hearing. Motion carried on a 5-Yes, 2-Absent (Peek, Squires) vote. 7:12 p.m. u (j '-) Regular Andover Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes - April 25, 1995 Page 2 (Public Hearing: Special Use Permit - Timber Meadows III, Continued) MOTION by Doucette, Seconded by Putnam, to accept the Special Use Permit for Timber Meadows III with the conditions as stated by Staff and recommend forwarding it to the City Council. Motion carried on a 5-Yes, 2-Absent (Peek, Squires) vote. This will be placed on the May 16, 1995, City Council agenda. 7:14 p.m. PUBLIC HEARING: SPECIAL USE PERMIT - AREA IDENTIFICATION SIGN - WOODLAND MEADOWS II - WOODLAND DEVELOPMENT COMPANY 7:14 p.m. Mr. Carlberg reviewed the request for a Special Use Permit to erect an area identification sign on the northeast corner of the entrance road to the development off Verdin Street. He noted the applicable ordinances and criteria to be examined. Staff is recommending approval with conditions. MOTION by Doucette, Seconded by Putnam, to open the public hearing. Motion carried on a 5-Yes, 2-Absent (Peek, Squires) vote. 7:17 p.m. There was no public testimony. r-) \.- MOTION by Putnam, Seconded by Leudtke, to close the public hearing. Motion carried on a 5-Yes, 2-Absent (Peek, Squires) vote. 7:17 p.m. MOTION by Jovanovich, Seconded by Leudtke, to forward to the City Council the Resolution for the Special Use Permit for Woodland Development Company to erect the area identification sign. Motion carried on a 5-Yes, 2-Absent (Peek, Squires) vote. This will be placed on the May 16, 1995, City Council agenda. 7:18 p.m. PUBLIC HEARING: SPECIAL USE PERMIT - REAL ESTATE SIGN - LOT 1, BLOCK 1, WOODLAND CREEK - WOODLAND DEVELOPMENT COMPANY 7:18 p.m. Mr. Carlberg reviewed the request for a Special Use Permit to erect a real estate sign on Lot 1, Block 8, Woodland Creek. He noted the applicable ordinances and criteria to be reviewed. The parcel is a future commercial site, and the sign must be removed within two years unless an extension is granted by the Council. Staff is recommending approval with conditions. MOTION by Leudtke, Seconded by Jovanovich, to open the public hearing. Motion carried on a 5-Yes, 2-Absent (Peek, Squires) vote. 7:21 p.m. There was no public testimony. MOTION by Jovanovich, Seconded by Doucette, to close the public hearing. Motion carried on a 5-Yes, 2-Absent (Peek, Squires) vote. 7:21 p.m. r, .~ MOTION by Jovanovich, Seconded by Putnam, to forward the Resolution to the City Council granting the Special Use Permit request of Woodland Development for a real estate sign. Motion carried on a 5-Yes, 2-Absent (Peek, Squires) vote. This will be placed on the May 16, 1995, City Council agenda. 7:22 p.m. ; \ U u Regular Andover Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting I' Minutes - April 25, 1995 <~ Page 3 PUBLIC HEARING: AMEND ORDINANCE NO.8, SECTION 8.23, RESIDENTIAL BUILDING STANDARDS 7:22 p.m. Mr. Carlberg explained the Building Department has had requests from residents to construct four-season porch additions. Currently the ordinances do not allow them because all residential structures are to have a permanent concrete or treated wood foundation. The request is to amend Ordinance 8, Section 8.23 to allow the construction of a four-season porch without a permanent foundation up to a maximum coverage of 20 percent of the footprint of the habitable portion of the principal structure. Staff is recommending approval. This is basically a house-keeping item to keep current with what is going on in the building and construction trades. Commissioner Putnam asked if there is a concern with the four-season porches becoming a permanent part of the habitable portion of the house. Mr. Carlberg stated there is no real concern. They are generally not very large; and any major addition would require a building permit, the codes to be met, and inspections by the Building Department. o MOTION by Putnam, Seconded by Jovanovich, to open the public hearing. Motion carried on a 5-Yes, 2-Absent (Peek, Squires) vote. 7:28 p.m. There was no public testimony. MOTION by Leudtke, Seconded by Putnam, to close the public hearing. Motion carried on a 5-Yes, 2-Absent (Peek, Squires) vote. 7:28 p.m. MOTION by Doucette, Seconded by Jovanovich, to forward this to the City Council with our approval recommending the amendment to Ordinance No.8, Section 8.23. ' Motion carried on a 5-Yes, 2-Absent (Peek, Squires) vote. This will be placed on the May 16, 1995, City Council agenda. 7:30 p.m. PUBLIC HEARING: PRELIMINARY PLAT - CROWN POINTE - SECTION 26 - ASHFORD DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION 7:30 p.m. Mr. Erickson reviewed the proposed preliminary plat for Crown pointe located in Section 26, Township 32, Range 24, which consists of 48 single family urban residential lots and 2 outlots. The area is currently zoned R-4 and is within the Metropolitan Urban Service area. The grading, drainage and erosion control plan currently does not meet the requirements because it has not been entirely reviewed by the Coon Creek Watershed. Approval was received for the original plat, but a road extension is being proposed at this time which has not been reviewed. Previous discussions on the Crown pointe East plat revolved around a possible crossing from that plat to the west side of Coon Creek, to this plat, for safety and access purposes. The developer is /) proposing an alternative to that crossing by providing a street ,~ extension to Andover Boulevard shown as Sycamore Street. The Fire Chief has responded to the proposed street extension and expressed concern with the intersection of Sycamore Street NW, Tamarack Street NW and 143rd Avenue NW being very close to an underground high pressure gas main and the Burlington Northern Railroad track. He offered three other u u C) Regular Minutes Page 4 Andover Planning and zoning Commission Meeting April 25, 1995 (Public Hearing: Preliminary Plat - Crown Pointe, Continued) alternatives as noted in his April 14, 1995, memorandum. Also, the City has received a comment from the Anoka County Highway Department that they would like to see Tamarack Street further from the railroad track because there could be some safety and stopping distance problems. If Sycamore Street proves to be a viable alternative, a Special Use Permit would be required because it is in a flood plain area. Also, a variance from Ordinance 10, Section 4 would be required as the proposed intersections of Sycamore Street NW and Tamarack Street NW at Andover Boulevard is less than the minimum spacing of 660 feet. Mr. Erickson also reviewed the wording in the Developer's Agreement for Crown pointe East relating to the possibility of a crossing between that plat and this one. Jerrv Windschitl, Ashford Development Corporation stated he has escrowed to get from Quinn Street to the creek; but there is no escrow for a bridge itself. Mr. Erickson explained the reason for the escrow is because the access issue between the two plats was discussed, and this was advised as a possible crossing to provide a second access to Crown Pointe. ~) Commissioner Doucette noted there is no corresponding outlet in Crown Pointe to match with the proposed outlot off Crown pointe East. Mr. Erickson stated a crossing probably would go through Lot 11. The lots would have to be reconfigured if a crossing were required, because Ordinance 11 would then not meet the size requirements. MOTION by Jovanovich, Seconded by Leudtke, to open the public hearing. Motion carried on a 5-Yes, 2-Absent (Peek, Squires) vote. 7:45 p.m. Winslow Holasek, 1159 Andover Boulevard NW - presented a packet of information to the Planning and Zoning Commission concerning the drainage into and out of Andover Lake. He went through the information to make his point that there is not sufficient drainage out of that Old Colony pond (Andover Lake), noting the five inlets to the pond from various areas and only one 24-inch outlet down to Coon Creek. He felt there was an error in engineering when Creek View Crossing was developed because there should have been another outlet running down Xeon Street to the creek with a sediment pond. Because the pond cannot handle all of the new development coming into it, developers are being required to cut down trees and put storm drainage areas in the back of all the lots or, in his case, installing steel plates to control the runoff. The problem is when the pond raises from 888 feet to 892 feet in the 100- year storm, which will flood his property. That is the opinion of the civil engineer he hired to review this. It also becomes a safety issue and a serious liability to the City if something happens to the 24-inch outlet and there is serious flooding. That is why he feels the City should acquire another drainage easement for storm water out of the Cold ~ -, Colony pond; and it will be easier to acquire it now rather than in the \~ future after all of the property is developed. Acting Chairperson Apel felt Mr. Holasek raised some valid concerns and suggested the information he presented be forwarded to the City Council along with the Minutes so they are aware of the issue. f \ U u :- ) Regular Andover Planning and zoning Commission Meeting Minutes -April 25, 1995 Page 5 (Public Hearing: preliminary Plat - Crown Pointe, Continued) Mr. Windschitl - explained the original sketch plan had only one outlet, and a lot was removed to put in Sycamore Street. There were a number of discussions about the safety issue, and he then tried to provide an emergency outlet to answer those concerns. Sycamore Street is being proposed strictly as an emergency outlet, not for vehicular traffic and is as shown because of the wetland issue. The entire project is permitted all the way through the Corps of Engineers and the Coon Creek Watershed with the exception of Sycamore. The streets are graded and ponding has been mitigated. In the permitting process, the Corps of Engineers wanted him to move the road as far west as he could on the property. So he acquired 1200 feet of Burlington Northern property to move the road further west to evade the wetland totally. The location as shown was determined to be their only option. :: ) Mr. Windschitl stated regarding the access issue, the present Andover ordinances do not have a multiple access requirement and never have had. There are a number of plats that do not have multiple accesses. He refuted the safety issue relating to the railroad tracks. Normally the railroad right of way is between 60 and 100 feet. Through this area there is an additional 200 feet because there used to be a weigh station there. If Burlington Northern had felt there is a safety issue with the road, they would not have allowed him to acquire the land on which to locate Tamarack Street. A suggestion has been to provide a crossing from Crown pointe over the tracks to Weybridge II or III. The railroad has told him they would be willing to cooperate in giving emergency access; but they will not under any conditions allow a permanent access. Mr. Windschitl also refuted the other safety issue of crossing over the high pressure gas line. This is done at only one location; and when it was graded, the gas line personnel were on site to make sure the work was done exactly right. There will be no houses located by the line. He also noted that other plats with gas lines running through them have been approved, giving the example of the one approved just last week with no safety issue raised in the approval process. That was a petroleum pipeline, which is more dangerous than the gas line through this plat. Mr. Windschitl stated the alignment of Sycamore is flexible. It is shown to correspond with the feasibility report for Crown pointe East where the City wants to run a watermain to the west of the Creek. He has talked with the Watershed about running the watermain through that wetland, and they seem to feel they would permit it. They may also permit a road over disturbed property where the watermain would go. He would have no problem either moving the Sycamore alignment or providing a crossing over the railroad tracks. Acting Chairperson Apel noted the safety issue of pipelines was \ discussed at length when the pipeline came through the City years ago, ,,_) and he recalled some concessions were made in the urban areas. He didn't see it as a safety issue himself, but understood it is a concern. Commissioner Leudtke didn't think the line itself was an issue but the intersection of the two roads over the top of the easement. Plats have been approved before with pipelines through them. / " u /' ' u , '\ , " ) Regular Andover Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes - April 251 1995 Page 6 (Public Hearing: Preliminary Plat - Crown Pointe, Continued) Mr. Windschitl stated the plat itself is over one-acre density per lot. He hopes to build nice homes in there, trying to make it a first-class development when it gets through the platting process. He also noted that in the agreement for Crown Pointe East, he did not assume any liability nor escrow anything for a bridge or approach to the west side of Coon Creek. There is no assessment against Crown Pointe East for a bridge. Commissioner Doucette preferred not to have Sycamore Street as an exit because she would like to see the wetland remain undisturbed as much as possible. Her preference would be to have the second access across the railroad tracks into Weybridge II or III. She also asked about the triangular shapes of Lots 12, 13 and 14 and whether the City has accepted similar shaped lots before. Mr. Windschi tl explained the effect is people prefer them because it pushes the neighbor's house further away, creating a much larger back yard and distance between houses. The bulk of that area is heavily wooded, and they were able to preserve most of the trees. To his knowledge, there are no variances in the plat with the exception of Sycamore Street should it exit onto Andover Boulevard. Mr. Erickson noted those lots do meet the ordinance ,\ requirements. " ) Commissioner Doucette asked if there is written documentation that the specifications of the road over the Northern Natural Gas line meet specifications. Mr. Windschitl stated their engineers were physically on the site when they did the road work to make sure the road was built to specifications. He thought he could get a letter from the pipeline stating what was done. Commissioner Doucette felt that should be on record with the City. Mr. Windschitl agreed to contact the pipeline about it. Commissioner Putnam did not think it made sense to have two roads coming out at the same point, that is the main road and the emergency exit both coming onto Andover Boulevard. He thought the access across the railroad tracks is a more interesting concept, but how would people be controlled so it would only be used in emergencies? Mr. Windschitl thought it could be controlled with gates similar to what is done across the sanitary sewer lines, with keys to the gate given to the appropriate people. Commissioner Putnam felt that is an attractive alternate rather than the process of building another road that dumps onto Andover Boulevard such a short distance from Tamarack. Constructing Sycamore over the wetland is a lot of expense and effort for the quality of access it achieves. / ''I MOTION by Leudtke, Seconded by Jovanovich, to close the public hearing. ,~j Motion carried on a 5-Yes, 2-Absent (Peek, Squires) vote. 8:25 p.m. Commissioner Putnam questioned how well an access with gates would work. Mr. Erickson stated the only access with gates is over utilities, which is not an access for emergencies. There are none in place for this u u ':_J Regular Andover Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes - April 25, 1995 Page 7 (Public Hearing: Preliminary Plat - Crown Pointe, Continued) particular purpose. Commissioner Jovanovich asked who would install the gates. Mr. Erickson stated it would be done by the developer. Acting Chairperson Apel noted the lowering of the curb and flexible barriers being proposed on Jay Street may be more appropriate. He too felt a crossing over the tracks in lieu of a road through the wetlands would be a better alternative. Commissioner Leudtke asked if Sycamore would be constructed with bituminous. Mr. Erickson explained the proposal is for a gravel surface and floating the road in the wetland area. From a maintenance and engineering standpoint, a gravel surface and floating the road would not be acceptable. It would still have to be plowed and maintained. The Andover Review Committee finds the proposal not acceptable and that the street standards should be met. /-"\ ,-_J Commissioner Putnam also noted the county's concern with the distance of Tamarack from the railroad crossing. He wondered if the road could jog further to the east. Mr. Windschitl stated they can do whatever the Staff and Watershed ask. It is a signalized crossing at that location. Mr. Erickson also read the section of the ordinance where Staff is interpreting that two access points from a plat are needed. Acting Chairperson Apel stated that is a very recent interpretation and the terms "reasonable" and "safety" are subject to interpretation. Commissioner Putnam again stated a restricted crossing to Weybridge is a better alternative than building Sycamore Street, as it seems a waste of resources to have to build a street through the wetlands. He did have a concern with Andover Boulevard itself. The road is grossly undersized for the capacity needed to service the amount of residents that use it. He hoped the Council and Staff would work with the county to determine what can be done to upgrade Andover Boulevard. MOTION by Putnam, Seconded by Doucette, that we send to the City Council approval of the preliminary plat for the Crown Pointe development as presented and reviewed with Staff with one condition, that the secondary access be reviewed by Staff and the developer with some agreement on whether it is Sycamore Street or the access to the west through the Weybridge Addition through controlled access -- gated, etc. -- over the Burlington Northern railroad; but not both accesses; leave it up to the Staff and developer as to which access makes more sense. A public hearing was held and there was no spoken opposition. DISCUSSION: Commissioner Putnam suggested the Staff and developer negotiate whether the access would need to meet City road standards. Commissioner Jovanovich stated she would not be in favor of an access control with a key, as that could work in reverse in an emergency. Acting Chairperson Apel felt that too could be negotiated with Staff. Motion carried on a \ 5-Yes, 2-Absent (Peek, Squires) vote. This will be on the May 16, 1995, \. J City Council agenda. 8:45 p.m. (~) " - '\ '--) ,- -~ , ) '--- - () o Regular Andover Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes - April 25, 1995 Page 8 SKETCH PLAN - SHADOWBROOK - SECTION 36 - BUNKER, LLC Garv Gorham - explained he and Tony Emmerich are developing this plat of over 260 acres into 360 single family lots and 66 town home lots. There are four accesses out of the plat, two onto Prairie Road and two onto Bunker Lake Boulevard, plus access provided to the north for future development on property they do not own. They have proposed two park areas. In meeting with the Park and Recreation Commission, the Commission was in favor of Park #2, but were not interested in the western nature park area. After leaving that meeting and after further discussions, they feel that nature park may have some merit and they will be going back to the Park Board for further discussions. The lots around the wetlands are quite deep to minimize the impact on the wetlands. They would not have a problem if the City wants the wetland to the north as an open space, not park. The City has determined it needs some type of water storage facility in that vicinity, and the Review Committee has suggested the northwest corner would be an appropriate site. Mr. Erickson reviewed the comments of the Andover Review Committee, noting the property is currently not in the MUSA area. The plat will require an Environmental Assessment Worksheet to be done. The City's comprehensive water plan calls for a future site in the vicinity for water storage. The Police and Fire Departments had questions on a north-south access through the plat; however, the City Council felt the extension of University Avenue through the plat was not a viable route for the Municipal State Aid system. Also, the easterly end of the plat does not lend itself easily to sanitary sewer service. They will explore ways to service that area with either gravity or a lift station. Commissioner Leudtke was not in favor of townhomes in the northern portion of the plat where people will then have to travel all the way past single family homes to get out of the area. Mr. Gorham explained there can be no other access from that location because of the creek and wetlands. There have been comments in the past that there should be an area in Andover with some type of townhomes for residents to purchase, plus a certain populace wants that type of housing in Andover. They have looked at including them in other plats and felt those plats were not the appropriate areas. This proposal is to build twin townhomes, envisioning it would be an empty-nester type townhome which would have the least impact on traffic. As proposed, it allows more property adjacent to the townhomes so they don't impact the wetlands. Commissioner Jovanovich felt as proposed the townhomes would be more private and away from everyone. Many of the elderly would like to stay in the community and would like to have this type of housing to purchase. Commissioner Doucette was concerned with multiple land use designations. It is not consistent with the Comprehensive Plan and she would not recommend a PUD development. Commissioner Putnam disagreed, stating he really liked the sketch plan as proposed. It has good accesses and good curvilinear streets which are more attractive to developments. He also liked the mixed townhomes and single family homes, feeling that is important in a community. Commissioner Jovanovich noted the Fire Department and Public Works comment that there are too many t '\ \ ) , '\ , I ',,/ ) Regular Andover Planning and zoning Commission Meeting Minutes - April 25, 1995 Page 9 (Sketch Plan - Shadowbrook, Section 36, Bunker, LLC, Continued) cul-de-sacs. She heard over public radio that in West Virginia the crime rate went down where there were a lot of cul-de-sacs in a development. Acting Chairperson Apel understood that cul-de-sacs make the work more difficult for Public Works and police and fire; but the only way to solve that is to have a "Levitown" design, which is not desirable either. Residents love cul-de-sacs. There were no further comments on the sketch plan. MOTION by Doucette, Seconded by Jovanovich, to adjourn the meeting. Motion carried on a 5-Yes, 2-Absent (Peek, Squires) vote. The meeting was adjourned at 9:05 p.m. Re~~~ ~ella A. Peach ..) Recording Secretary , " , I