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HomeMy WebLinkAboutMay 20, 1999 o o o CITY of ANDOVER PARK AND RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING - MA Y 20, 1999 MINUTES The Regular Bi-Monthly Meeting of the Andover Park and Recreation Commission was called to order by Chairperson Dave Blackstad on May 20, 1999, 7:39 p.m., at the Andover City Hall, 1685 Crosstown Boulevard NW, Andover, Minnesota. Commissioners present: Tom Anderson (arrived at 7:53 p.m.), Dave Blackstad, Jeff Kieffer (Arrived at 7:45 p.m.), Al Grabowski, Valerie Holthus, and Dave O'Toole Jim Lindahl Park Coordinator, Todd Haas Commissioners absent: Also present: RESIDENTS FORUM None. f-' . ,--,I APPROVAL OF MINUTES May 6, 1999 Chairman Blackstad stated that under Review Issues List it should read "Andover Baseball Association" not "Andover Athletic Association" and in the last paragraph of Review Issues List it should read what items the Commissioners feel should be a misdemeanor. Motion by O'Toole, seconded by Grabowski, to approve the Minutes as corrected. Motion carried on 4 - ayes, 0 - nays, 3 - absent (Anderson, Kieffer and Lindahl), and 0 - present vote. Mr. Haas requested that item 3A Fox Hollow Park Dedication be added to the agenda. The Commission agreed. FOX HOLLOW PARK DEDICATION Mr. Haas stated that the Park and Recreation Commission has the opportunity to accept or deny the offer presented by the developer for park dedication fees. Otherwise the developer can select from one of the three appraisers authorized by the City to determine the value of the land. Commissioner Blackstad questioned how they came up with the $23,000 per acre. Mike /-----. Ouiglev. Gor-Em. LLC stated it was based on the purchase price of the land. ,,-) ~ '- () Regular Andover Parkl...jd Recreation Commission Meeting Minutes - May 20, 1999 Page 2 ;' Mr. Haas stated that he had checked with the County on other properties that have sold and noted there is one parcel that was 23.3 acres at $30,000 per acre and a 10 acre parcel that sold for around $300,000 for the land, home, and the buildings. If you subtract $120,000 for the home and buildings the land would come out to $180,000 for 10 acres. He indicated the County did not have any records on the other parcels. Commissioner Kieffer arrived at 7:45 p.m. Mr. Quigley explained what he paid for the lots and how he came up with the value of the land to determine his park dedication fees. Commissioner Grabowski questioned the value that the developer came up with. Mr. Haas stated that an appraiser would go out and come up with the same number for the value of the land. Mr. Quigley stated that if the Commission isn't satisfied with the proposal then he would hire an appraiser and let them determine the value. Commissioner Anderson arrived at 7:53 p.m. Commissioner O'Toole questioned if Mr. Quigley had all the properties appraised and, if so, did he purchase the properties for the appraised price. Mr. Quigley stated yes. Mr. Quigley stated that some of the properties have wetlands on them so all the land will not be buildable. Commissioner O'Toole stated that he is comfortable with accepting the proposal since the property has already been appraised. Mr. Haas stated that Woodland Estates was valued at $22,500 per acre approximately 3 years ago. Commissioner Grabowski questioned how many total lots there will be in the development. Mr. Quigley stated 101 including 4 existing homes. Commissioner Grabowski stated he is willing to accept the proposal with the understanding that some of the land is buildable and some is wetland. Motion by O'Toole, seconded by Grabowski, to recommend to the City Council approval of the park dedication fees submitted for Fox Hollow. Motion carried on 6 - ayes, 0 - nays, I - absent (Lindahl), and 0 - present vote. Further discussion: Commissioner O'Toole questioned the additional trail fee. Mr. Haas reviewed the trails that will be included in the development and how the cost will be divided. \ / Regular Andover ParkC.'U Recreation Commission Meeting U Minutes - May 20, 1999 Page 3 , Amendment by Commissioner O'Toole, seconded by Grabowski, to include the cost of the trails due by the City to come out of the existing trail fee fund. Motion carried on 6 - ayes, 0 - nays, 1 - absent (Lindahl), and 0 - present vote. CONSIDER EXPANSION OF AAA BUILDING/CITY HALL PARK COMPLEX #1 Mr. Haas explained that the Park and Recreation Commission is requested to consider expansion of the existing AM building which is located directly to the north of City Hall. Mr. Haas reviewed some possible expansion possibilities and stated that he talked to the building department in regard to running sewer out to the addition. He noted that they suggested the possibility of using a 150 gallon tank that would need to be flushed regularly or to install a force mam. Commissioner Grabowski stated that he liked the idea of the 150 gallon tank because the force main would be very costly to install. The Conunission agreed to table this item until the second meeting in June. CONSIDER REQUEST/BIKEWAY JUMPSITIMBER TRAILS PARK, CONTINUED I Mr. Haas explained that the Park and Recreation is requested to continue discussing the possibility of constructing a bicycle/motorcross facility at Timber Trails Park. Commissioner Lindahl stated that based on the risk it does not seem feasible. Chairperson Blackstad stated that he met with the neighborhood kids at the park and discussed a track that is in S1. Michael, apparently run by volunteers on city land, and some organization pays for the insurance if the track is only used for practices and meets. Chairperson Blackstad requested that staff do more research into the other facilities and provide that information to the Commission. Chairperson Blackstad requested Mr. Haas look into the tracks in New U1m, Mankato, and Brainerd and find out how much their insurance increased because of the track. He stated he would like to consider the idea if there is a way to work around the insurance issue. REVIEW OF ESTIMATES/CONFERENCE ROOM/SUNSHINE PARK BUILDING, CONTINUED Mr. Haas explained that the Park and Recreation Commission is requested to continue discussing the tiling that is being considered in the Sunshine Park building. \ / ') U Regular Andover Park~'ut1d Recreation Commission Meeting Minutes - May 20, 1999 Page 4 Commissioner O'Toole stated it should be considered for next year since it was not budgeted for this year. That way it won't take away from any budgeted projects for this year. Commissioner Grabowski suggested leaving it open for maintenance to complete at their own convenience and adding it as a labor budget item for next year. Motion by Kieffer, seconded by Grabowski, to recommend adding the tiling project for the Sunshine Park Building to the 2000 budget for Maintenance and Parks to be completed prior to Aprill st. Motion carried on a 6 - ayes, 0 - nays, 1 - absent (Lindahl) vote. REVIEW SUNSHINE PARK SHELTER IMPROVEMENTS/99-21, CONTINUED AND BITUMINOUS TRAIL Mr. Haas explained that the Park and Recreation Commission is requested to review the estimate for the proposed shelter at Sunshine Park. Mr. Haas reviewed the proposal explaining that they may have to increase the amount for the electrical work and noted that the building department is recommending asphalt shingles. Trail 400 feet x $l5/foot Shelter (without shingles) Concrete Slab 1600 s.f. x $4 s.f. Electrical Asphalt Shingles =- $6,000 $32,206 $6,400 $3,000 $3.000 $50,606 (Estimate Only) Commissioner Grabowski recommend not installing railings around the shelter because he feels they would be vandalized. Cornrr..issioner Grabowski suggested also looking into what it will cost to furnish the shelter with benches and picnic tables. Mr. Haas stated that would be a separate item. Chairperson Blackstad suggested looking into the idea of grills being added around the outside of the shelter. Mr. Haas stated that he will tour Lake George Park and French Park and determine how the grills are set-up around those shelters. Commissioner Grabowski stated that security and vandalism should be considered when the plans and specs are done. Motion by O'Toole, seconded by Anderson, to recommend to the City Council the ordering of plans and specs for the Sunshine Park Shelter. Motion carried on 6 - ayes, 0 - nays, 1 - absent (Lindahl), and 0 - present vote. / REVIEW ORDINANCE NO. 229 f) 0 Regular Andover Park\..'ld Recreation Commission Meeting Minutes - May 20, 1999 Page 5 / Mr. Haas explained that the Park and Recreation Commission is asked to review Ordinance No. 229, Section 2 - City Park Recreation Area Regulations and Section 4 - Penalty. Mr. Haas stated that the Commission is asked to make a recommendation to the City Council regarding which activities (when violated) should be guilty of a misdemeanor or petty misdemeanor. Chairperson Blackstad explained that a misdemeanor means a mandatory court appearance and a petty misdemeanor is a maximum of a $200 fine and a possible court appearance. Mr. Haas stated Staff is recommending that on Page 3, under Fire Arms, they should add an exception for law enforcement officers. Commissioner Grabowski questioned if that statement is already included in the City Ordinance since it states as defined by the City Ordinance. Mr. Haas stated that he would look into it. Mr. Haas questioned if the closing time at Red Oaks Park should remain at 10:00 or should they make it consistent with all other parks. The Commission agreed to change the closing time for Red Oaks Park to be consistent with all other parks. I :1\1r. Haas explained Staff is recommending the last paragraph should state that motorized wheelchairs are allow.::d as an exception as well as authorized emergency vehicles. Commissioner O'Toole stated he would like to see the word "trails" eliminated. Commissioner Grabowski stated that the City has authorized vehicles to drive on the trails. Mr. Haas stated that he will discuss the exceptions with Jeff Johnson. The Commission reviewed each item under Section 2 and arrived at the following consensus: MISDEMEANOR Item C. Alcoholic Beverages Item D. Burning Item E. Fireanns Item I. Operation of Motor Vehicles Item J. Park Property Item M. Protection of Trees PETrY MISDEMEANOR Item A. Abusive Language Item B. Advertising, Selling and Solicitation Item F. Gambling Item G. Golfing Item H. Hours Item K. Pets and Animals Item L. Play Areas Item N. Signs Commissioner Grabowski stated that in item N the word "designee" should be replaced with the "Zoning Administrator." '. / UPDA TE OF JOINT SPECIAL MEETING WITH CITY COUNCIL Regular Andover parkCdd Recreation Commission Meeting (J Minutes - May 20,1999 Page 6 Mr. Haas stated that he and the Coon Creek Watershed District walked the south side of the creek on Tuesday, May 11, 1999, and at this point there appears to be no wetlands impacted by the location of the trail. He explained that the City will need to discuss with MPCA the possibility of moving a small section of fence for the WDE site which is located adjacent to the creek near Hanson Boulevard NW or they would need to construct a bridge to avoid the fence. Commissioner Grabowski suggested extending the trail all the way to Andover Boulevard. The Commission agreed to proceed further and discuss the possibilities of moving the fence around the WDE site with the MPCA. REVIEW COMP PLAN -TRAILS, CONTINUED Mr. Haas explained that the Park and Recreation Commission is requested to table this item until the next meeting of June 3, 1999. REVIEW ISSUES LIST !vir. Haas reviewed the items on the issues list. " Commissioner Grabowski suggested sending a thank you letter to anyone who signs up with the Adopt - A - Park program. Mr. Haas thought they would send out a letter in the fall. Chairperson Anderson suggested recognizing Adopt - A - Park sponsors in the bulletin and list parks that are still available. CHAIRMAN'S REPORT Commissioner Kieffer noted that people are parking in the ditches at Sunshine Park. Commissioner Grabowski stated that the parking lot is full so cars are driving down the trails and parking in the ditches. He stated that signs need to erected that state "no parking" and the fire lanes need to be posted on both sides. Chairperson Blackstad stated that people need to be ticketed if they are parking in the ditch. Commissioner Grabowski suggested painting on the curbs "no parking." Mr. Haas suggested getting more signs up. Commissioner Grabowski stated that there is still a significant problem with dogs at Sunshine Park. He suggested making sure the appropriate signs are posted at Tower Drive and throughout the park. ADJOURNMENT '. Motion by Anderson, seconded by Kieffer to adjourn. Motion carried unanimously. The meeting adjourned at 9:19 p.m. / () Regular Andover Park-u~d Recreation Commission Meeting Minutes - May 20, 1999 Page 7 Respectfully submitted, Nanci Libor, Recording Secretary TimeSaver Off Site Secretarial, Inc.