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HomeMy WebLinkAboutOctober 23, 2001 o ~ o~ Cl.Q.... ll-13-6\ ,- \ \.J CITY of ANDOVER PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING - OCTOBER 23,2001 The Regular Bi-Monthly Meeting of the Andover Planning and Zoning Commission was called to order by Chairperson Jay Squires on October 23,2001, 7:04 p.m., at the Andover City Hall, 1685 Crosstown Boulevard NW, Andover, Minnesota. Commissioners present: Chairperson Jay Squires, Commissioners Tim Kirchoff, Mark Hedin, Larry Dalien, Dean Daninger, and Rex Greenwald. . Commissioners absent: Commissioner Douglas Falk. Also present: City Planner, Courtney Bednarz Planning Intern, Jason Angell Others ,-, .~ APPROVAL OF MINUTES September 25,2001 Motion by Daninger, seconded by Hedin to approve the minutes as presented. Motion carried on a 4-ayes, O-nays, I-present (Kirchoff), 2-absent (Dalien and Falk) vote. PUBLIC HEARiNG: PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR A TWO LOT URBAN RESIDENTIAL PROJECT TO BE KNOWN AS 'PRAIRIE ACRES' LOCATED AT 732 140TH LANE NW - S. W. WOLD. City Planner Courtney Bednarz explained that the Planning and Zoning Commission is asked to review a preliminary plat for the above referenced project. He stated that the proposed project contains two urban residential lots. Municipalities are available to serve both properties. Mr. Bednarz stated that the property was created earlier this year when the property owner received approval of a Lot Split to create a .64 property for the existing house and a .86- acre residual parcel. The residual parcel was conveyed to S.W. Wold who now seeks to divide this parcel into two residential lots. Due to the fact that the Lot Split Ordinance , '\ (Ordinance 40) allows only one lot split per property per three-year period, a plat will o have to be processed to allow the property to be subdivided again at this time. ~) U Regular Andover Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes - October 23, 2001 Page 2 / Mr. Bednarz stated that the proposed project is consistent with the Andover Comprehensive Plan Land Use Plan as the property is designated RU, Residential Urban. The property is located in the Metropolitan Urban Service Area (MUSA). Municipal utilities are available to serve both proposed properties. It was mentioned that all lots are required to meet the provisions of Ordinance 10, Section 9.06a(l) which relates to lot size and buildability requirements. In addition, the front 100 feet of each lot must be buildable. This standard is used for all lots developed with municipal sewer and water. This section also requires the lowest floor to be a minimum of three feet above the seasonal high water mark or one foot above the 100-year flood elevation, whichever is greater. Adequate rear yard area must be also provided to maintain useable space for each lot. Soil borings have been completed and the proposed properties have been determined to be buildable by the Building Official. The lowest floor elevations will be verified when building permit applications for new houses are reviewed. " / Mr. Bednarz stated that there are few minor items that need to be addressed before the preliminary plat can be approved by the City Council. These items are as follows: proposed minimum lowest floor elevations need to be indicated, indication that boulevard sod and 4" of topsoil will be provided in disturbed in areas, overflow drainage calculations need to be provided to ensure that overflow into the Cherrywood Estates can be accommodated, and additional calculations to demonstrate that any standing water in this pond will not affect the proposed lowest floor elevation of Lot 2 of Prairie Acres. Mr. Bednarz stated that the developer is also required to meet all applicable City ordinances. The Park and Recreation Commission have indicated that a park dedication payment for the two proposed properties would be required. Commissioner Kirchoff questioned if this would be the one lot split that's allowed in a 3- year period. Mr. Bednarz stated that the property was split earlier this year, however to split again at this time requires a plat. Commissioner Dalien arrived at 7:07 p.m. Motion by Daninger, seconded by Kirchoff, to open the public hearing at 7:07 p.m. Motion carried on a 6-ayes, O-nays, I-absent (Falk) vote. There was no public input. Motion by Kirchoff, seconded by Daninger, to close the public hearing at 7:08 p.m. Motion carried on a 6-ayes, O-nays, I-absent vote. . ) Motion by Hedin, seconded by Greenwald, to recommend to the City Council approval of Resolution No. _, approving the Preliminary Plat of "Prairie Acres" by S.W. Wold u U Regular Andover Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes - October 23,2001 Page 3 ) Construction, Inc. located at 732 140th Avenue NW in Section 36, Township 32, Range 24, Anoka County, Minnesota. Motion carried on a 6-ayes, O-nays, I-absent (Falk) vote. Mr. Bednarz stated that this item would be reviewed at the November 6, 2001 City Council meeting. PUBLIC HEARING: RESIDENTIAL SKETCH PLAN FOR A SIX LOT RURAL RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT TO BE KNOWN AS 'NORTH LAKE RIDGE' LOCATED SOUTHWEST OF THE INTERSECTION OF 157TH A VENUE NW AND ROUND LAKE BOULEVARD AND IN THE NORTHWEST QUARTER OF SECTION 20 - FIELDS DEVELOPMENT COMPANY. Mr. Bednarz explained that the Planning and Zoning Commission is asked to review a residential sketch plan for the above referenced project. He stated that the proposed sketch plan is consistent with the Andover Comprehensive Land Use Plan as the property is designated RR, Rural Residential. The property is located outside the Metropolitan Urban Service Area (MUSA). Private utilities will need to be established to serve proposed properties. Mr. Bednarz stated that all lots are required to meet the provisions of Ordinance 10, Section 9.06a(I) which relates to lot size and buildability requirements. This section also , / requires the lowest floor to be a minimum of three feet above the seasonal high water mark or one foot above the 100-year flood elevation, whichever is greater. The majority of proposed lots do not meet the minimum lot width requirement. While existing features such as the wetland and trees and the odd shape ofthe property provide development constraints, the substantial departure from the minimum lot width requirement cannot be justified. The project must be redesigned with consideration given to the zoning district requirements. The sketch plan proposes to extend I56th Avenue NW approximately 500 feet to provide access to four of the six lots. The remaining two lots would both have access to Round Lake Boulevard. Ordinance 10 Section 9.02C prohibits direct access onto county roads. While one access exists for the farm operation, a second access onto Round Lake Boulevard is not desirable. The proposed extension of I56th Avenue, combined with the existing segment to the west would result in a cul-de-sac length of approximately 780 feet. Ordinance 10 Section 9.03 G limits the length of streets ending in a cul-de-sac to 500 feet. As proposed, a variance to this requirement would be necessary. \ , / Mr. Bednarz stated that the sketch plan doesn't incorporate undeveloped property to the northeast. A revised sketch plan is being prepared to illustrate how adjacent property can be incorporated into the plat. This sketch will extend I56th Avenue NW to Round Lake Boulevard. The level of detail should include lot dimensions and sizes to determine what variances are being requested. The applicant must provide findings to justify any proposed variances. Increasing lot depth and area may be a mitigating factor when ~) () Regular Andover Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes - October 23. 2001 Page 4 considering variances to lot width, but the commission should be cautious so as not to create a precedent that could be followed by a wide range of rural properties across the City. He stated that in staffs view, variances may be necessary to accommodate the incorporation of surrounding properties with existing houses. Variances to increase the number ofIots on a vacant piece of property are a different situation that will require different findings. Mr. Bednarz stated that the developer is also required to meet all City Ordinances and all other applicable ordinances. The developer is also responsible to obtain all necessary permits. The Park and Recreation Commission is planning to review the sketch plan at their next meeting. Lyle Relms, a representative of the Developer, presented the revised sketch plan to the Commission. He stated that two additional parcels have been added to the plan, which allow for the street to go through to Round Lake Boulevard. He mentioned that they are requesting a couple of variances due to the size of the lots. Chair Squires questioned which parcels the developer is seeking variances for. Mr. Relms stated that he's requesting frontage variances on Lots 1,2, and 4. He mentioned that he's also requesting variances for Lots 3,4, and 5. He went on to support his request. , / Commissioner Hedin questioned ifthere are homes on Lots 4 and 5. Mr. Relms stated that yes there are homes on Lots 4 and 5. Commissioner Greenwald questioned exactly what is on Lot 4 currently. Mr. Relms stated that there is an older home currently on Lot 4. Commissioner Greenwald questioned ifhe is proposing a new access to Lot 4. Mr. Relms stated that that is correct. Mr. Bednarz stated that the primary discussion among staff was that 156th Avenue be extended to Round Lake Boulevard, that the number of variances be reduced and that surrounding properties be incorporated, where possible. Commissioner Daninger mentioned that he spent time reading the material in the packet, however if the majority ofthe plan has changed it makes it difficult to review it and make a recommendation tonight. He recommended tabling the request to allow the Commission time to review the revised sketch plan. ) Commissioner Kirchoff stated that he is willing to give the developer some direction. He stated that he likes the idea of 156th Avenue being extended all the way through, however is surprised to see that many variances being requested for the 300 feet. He suggested the developer revise the plan to get the lots closer to the 300-foot line. u U Regular Andover Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes - October 23,2001 Page 5 '- Commissioner Greenwald stated that he agrees with Commissioner Kirchoff. He mentioned that it isn't good when there are this many variances at this level, since often times variances also occur later in the approval process. He also mentioned that he likes the idea of 156th being extended. Mr. Relms stated that he wasn't involved in the early stages of the sketch plan. He stated that they are definitely willing to take comments and direction from the Commission and come back with something more acceptable at a later date. Chair Squires questioned if Lot 5 would continue to access Round Lake Boulevard. Mr. Relms stated that that is correct. Mr. Relms mentioned that at this point the developer isn't proposing any new access onto county roads for single parcels. Chair Squires stated that he agrees with the concerns regarding the number of variances being requested. Commissioner Dalien mentioned concerns regarding the south house on the revised sketch plan since it's ending up with less land than the original plan. He commented that it's already under the standard size. He stated that he also likes the idea of 156th being '. / extended. Mr. Relms questioned Commissioner Dalien ifhe is suggesting Lot 5 be at least as big as the way it was on the original sketch plan. Commissioner Dalien stated that he feels the lot was small to begin with. He went on to give reasons to support his opinion. Commissioner Greenwald questioned staff as to what the concerns were with the cul-de- sac. Mr. Bednarz explained that the cul-de-sac does exceed the maximum length set by the City. It is city policy to eliminate cul-de-sacs when possible. Chair Squires questioned staff if it would make sense to table it, since typically the Commission just gives input and moves it forward. Mr. Bednarz stated that it's up to the Commission. Commissioner Hedin suggested tabling the request and bringing it back where a public hearing could be held on what is actually being proposed. Commissioner Daninger stated that there could be some concerns from the residents regarding the road extension. He recommended a public hearing be held with the road going all the way through. \. ) Mr. Relms suggested the Commission open the public hearing since there may be residents in attendance that would like to comment on the plan. u U Regular Andover Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes - October 23,2001 Page 6 Commissioner Daninger questioned staff as to how they responded when residents who called in questioned if the road would end in a cul-de-sac or run through as an extension. Mr. Bednarz stated that staff discussed the proposed plan and staffs' recommendations which included the extension of I 56th Ave. NW. Motion by Greenwald, seconded by Hedin, to open the public hearing at 7:34 p.m. Motion carried on a 6-ayes, O-nays, I-absent (Falk) vote. There was no public input. Motion by Hedin, seconded by Daninger, to close the public hearing at 7:34 p.m. Motion carried on a 6-ayes, O-nays, I-absent (Falk) vote. Commissioner Hedin stated that he would like to see the plan come back as an official proposal. Commissioner Daninger stated that he agrees with Commissioner Hedin since it would allow time for the Commission to reviewjt. Commissioner Greenwald stated that he would like to see the number of variances reduced. J Commissioner Dalien stated that since it is just a sketch plan and will be back with a more formal proposal, he recommended the Commission move it forward. Chair Squires agreed with Commissioner Dalien. He stated that the purpose of a sketch plan is to review it and give input to the developer. Commissioner Hedin questioned when the Commission would next see the plan if the sketch plan isn't tabled. Mr. Bednarz stated that the next time the Commission would review the proposal would be as a preliminary plat. Commissioner Daninger questioned if staff is comfortable with the comments from the Commission. Mr. Bednarz stated that he is comfortable with the comments that have been made by the Commission. Commissioner Daninger stated that if staff is comfortable with the comments made by the Commission then he's fine with moving it forward. Commissioner Hedin agreed. Chair Squires stated that no motion is necessary since it's just a sketch plan. The Commission as a whole agreed to move the sketch plan forward. PUBLIC HEARING: DISCUSSION OF ULTRALIGHT VEHICLES ,~ / Mr. Bednarz explained that the City Council has been asked to evaluate Ultralight activity, research regulations and recommend whether a local ordinance is necessary to () c) Regular Andover Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes - October 23,2001 Page 7 , I regulate this activity, If a local ordinance is determined to be necessary the Commission is asked to recommend language for this ordinance, He stated that the rural property is also used as an airfield and is located to the northeast of Prairie Road and Andover Boulevard. There has been an increase in the number and frequency of aircraft taking off and landing at this site this year. On several occasions there were at least four aircraft using the site on the same day. There have been reports of low flying in residential neighborhoods. The FAA, Anoka County Sheriffs Office and City Staff have all received complaints. He went on to state those complaints. Mr. Bednarz stated that regulation of flight activity is a service that is provided by the FAA. This agency is funded by the taxpayers for the express purpose of maintaining and enforcing regulations related to all aircraft activity. In staffs view, the problems associated with low flying and noise are likely a result of a small number of aircraft operators that do not observe established standards. The City can facilitate enforcement of FAA standards by keeping a record of aircraft that use the facility. Residents can alert City Staff, the Anoka County Sheriff's Office oLdocument violations on their own with photography, for example, to assist the FAA in the execution oftheir responsibilities. j Motion by Daninger, seconded by Dalien, to open the public hearing at 7:46 p.m. Motion carried on a 6-ayes, O-nays, I-absent (Falk) vote. David Clossey, 1244 98th Lane NW, stated that he is the property owner and that in the beginning there was more noise generated by the ultralights, however once they realized it was a problem they've been able to reduce some of the noise. He explained that they've changed the direction they fly since the initial complaint and since then haven't received any additional complaints. He stated that they also are remaining over the field until 500 feet has been reached. He stated that they are recommending five conditions to a Neighborhood Friendly Flying Proposal. Those conditions being: limit engine use to approximately a 4-5 minute warm-up period on the ground, remain over the field until an altitude of 500 feet AGL is reached, depart to the north, limit the number of machines on the field to no more than 3-4 at anyone time, and frequent other fields in Ham Lake, Blaine, Bethel, Ramsey, Oak Grove, Big Lake, and Cambridge so as to reduce some of the traffic. Chair Squires stated that for the record letters were received by the City today from Patricia Schroeder, 720 Andover Blvd. NW; and June Granander, 14800 Butternut St. NW; both opposed to the idea of ultralight flying in their neighborhood. Also a letter was received from Cindy Heilman, 720 148th Lane NW, who is in favor of the ultralight flying. '\. ,I Christine Winiarczyk, 14942 Evergreen St. NW, submitted a letter to the Commission explaining that they live just north ofthe property that is being used as the airfield. She ) l ') '"j Regular Andover Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes - October 23, 2001 - \ Page 8 , / stated that the ordinance isn't written strongly enough to protect the resident's rights, health and safety, and well being. She stated that the proposed ordinance states that planes have to be at least 500 feet away from any residence in all directions, but there are no mechanisms for non-compliance disputes if the flyers violate this requirement. She stated that the flyers have shown a complete disregard for FAA rules and regulations, have misrepresented the club's intentions by claiming it was not run as a business, and have both engaged in intimidation and threats to silence to community opposition. In this current form, the proposed ordinance fails to protect the residents from this annoying and unsafe activity. She went on to review the 8 revisions they are proposing to the ordinance described in the letter. Adam Winiarczyk, 14942 Evergreen St. NW, stated that the whole issue is about preserving the integrity of the residential neighborhoods in the City. He stated that it's about people coming to their neighborhood from out of town or out of the area and imposing their noisy and unsafe practices on their community. He stated that the City has an obligation to protect the welfare of its residents, not to cater to an out of town flying club trying to take advantage of the lack of regulations and destroying the community in the process. He stated that it's the City's responsibility to revise this ordinance to guarantee the safety of the residents. . \ , J Stephen Dushane, 1481 144th Ave. NW, stated that he lives in an area where there are a lot of children. He stated that the kids enjoy seeing the planes. He stated that he doesn't feel they're noisy; furthermore he takes the kids to where they land to watch them, which he wouldn't do ifthere were safety issues. He stated that he has never seen them fly unsafely. Susan Brouillard, 14732 Butternut Street, stated that she's opposed to the ultralight flying. She stated that her kids become scared of them, especially when there are two and three of them at the same time. She mentioned that her 7 year old told her to take earplugs to the meeting and her 5 year old told her to tell the flyers to go away. Michael Otness, 380 146th Lane NW, stated that he lives right next to the sod farm and doesn't see that there should be any safety issues. He stated that if one of the ultralights did fall on a car and/or house it wouldn't hurt it. He stated that he's never seen them to be reckless. He also mentioned that he's never had to get off the phone because of the ultralights. " ) Wayne Margotto, 134 146th Lane NW, stated that it does become noisy when they're taxiing and taking off, especially when there is 3 or 4 of them at the same time. He suggested putting more specific language in the ordinance about what continuous taking off means. He mentioned that it would also help if they could flyaway from the more concentrated residential areas. He also mentioned that ifhe had a choice he would rather the ultralights not be allowed to fly. () u Regular Andover Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes - October 23, 2001 Page 9 '- --) Bill Dubats, 12967 Crooked Lake Blvd. - Coon Rapids, stated that he has used Mr. Clossey's field from time to time. He stated that his daughter is a resident of Andover and finds that often times the planes are drawing a crowd. He suggested doing a study to gather the facts to find out ifthe noise level is beyond what the City's noise ordinance allows. He offered his time, plane and engineering knowledge to help in conducting the study. Ms. Winiarczyk stated that a study done by Mr. Dubats would be totally unacceptable since it would be done by a special interest group. Allan Newcomb, 280 146th Lane NW, stated that when there was just one it wasn't a problem, however when there is three of them it becomes very noisy. -, , ) Dave Beckstrom, EAA Instructor, 16135 Vintage St. stated that they also have a petition with 124 names of residents who support the ultralight flying. He stated that he is a flying instructor. He stated that for a long time the only feedback they received was positive and that the residents enjoyed seeing us fly. He stated that once they received complaints they changed a few things to reduce the amount of noise that's generated. He stated that they now flyaway from the residential areas. He suggested that the best solution to the problem would be to have the residents work with the neighbors to resolve the issue. He mentioned that there are no minimum requirements to fly at 1000 feet altitude, furthermore they are not a business and/or club but instead of group of people who like to get together and fly. He also mentioned that there haven't been any crash landings, however there was one incident where a plane tipped over when it was already on the ground. He stated that in his opinion an ordinance won't achieve anything since in reality they could take off from Ham Lake and still fly over the Andover area. John Dailey, 14828 Evergreen St., stated that they actually fly over his house and he's found them to be a lot lower than they should be. He stated that his land butts up to the field so they end up flying over his land all the time. He mentioned that it's anytime throughout the day; therefore he's not happy with the ultralight flying. Bruce Vandenboom, 430 146th Lane NW, stated that he is in line with where they fly, however he hopes the City doesn't take any action with creating an ordinance. He stated that he hasn't seen anything like what's been described by those opposed to the idea. He stated that he's never altered his behavior in anyway like closing windows or turning up the T.V. volume. He stated that he sees a sense of cooperation from the flyers, however the residents who are opposed aren't willing to work with the flyers. He mentioned that he also has no concerns with the safety issues. He questioned what an ordinance would really solve and whether or not it would even make the residents happy. .I Denny Curson, 158th and Crane St. NW, stated that he lives northeast ofthe field and was intrigued by the flying and actually ended up purchasing one. He stated that he himself has never flown out of the field, however did a lot of research before buying one and () Regular Andover Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes - October 23, 2001 Page 10 o ) found out that they are really safe and most everyone ifnot all have worked with the flying instructor. He suggested the Commission drive out to the field and find out how loud they really are, and compare the noise level to a lawn mower and/or snowmobile before creating an ordinance. Jim Lenning, 665 l40th Lane NW, stated that they fly over his house all the time and he doesn't have a problem with it. He stated that people have a right to their property. He suggested the residents and the Commission leave them alone and let them have fun. Gary Garbe, 14856 Evergreen St., stated that he lives to the east of the sod field and has concerns about the noise and safety issues. He stated that he feels that he can't hold a normal conversation when out on his deck. He stated that he's witnessed them flying over his house at a 100 feet altitude. He questioned how many of the 124 who signed a supporting petition have property near the field. O'Neil, Carrie, 715 146th Lane NW, stated that she lives adjacent to the property and has neveLhad any problems with the ultralight flying. She stated that she had a graduation party outside recently and two happened to be flying overhead and didn't find any problems with the noise level. She mentioned that she hasn't seen anything to be concerned about in terms of health and safety. , / David Hall, 254 150th Lane NW, stated that he does find the flying annoying. He stated that he likes the idea of the 8 revisions to the ordinance suggested by Ms. Winiarczyk, especially the Special Use Permit requirement and the idea of it being renewed annually. Tim Eddy stated that he lives in Blaine and is a new pilot to ultralight flying. He stated that he lives 1 mile from the Anoka County Airport and finds that when planes take offhe has to go inside ifhe were on the deck for just a few seconds. Cynthia Fetzer, 14745 Evergreen Street, stated that she and her kids enjoy watching the ultralights. She stated that she does feel the noise level has increased since they first began; however as long as it doesn't increase she stated that she has no problem with the flying. Mr. Beckstrom thanked the residents who came out to attend the meeting. Beckstrom thanked the neighbors who support their sport for coming to the meeting and voicing their opinions. \ ~) A member from the audience stated that he used to live 2 miles east of where he lives now and he was asked by the City to get rid of a backhoe since the area was more urban and dense. He mentioned that this area is totally different and has more freedom since it isn't a tight residential area. f ) '.J Regular Andover Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes - October 23, 2001 Page 11 ) / There was no further public input. Motion by Greenwald, seconded by Dalien, to close the public hearing at 8:45 p.m. Motion carried on a 6-ayes, a-nays, I-absent (Falk) vote. Commissioner Greenwald thanked all the residents in attendance that spoke in favor or opposed to the flying. He stated that he sometimes struggles with people who have problems with the way people recreate. He stated that he does want to discuss the issue further. Commissioner Daninger questioned if the ordinance everyone is referring to is the City's sound ordinance. Mr. Bednarz stated that that is correct. Commissioner Daninger questioned if once the wheels leave the ground if it becomes an aviation issue. Mr. Bednarz explained that the FAA regulates any flight activity. Commissioner Daninger questi.oned what a residential grade muffler is. Mr. Bednarz stated that he does not know. , , " Commissioner Daninger questioned if the level of sound is the same at ground level as at 500 feet altitude. Mr. Bednarz stated that it wouldn't be the same. Commissioner Daninger questioned if the noise at 500 feet would be louder or softer. Mr. Bednarz stated that he is unsure. Chair Squires stated that sound generally carries further when coming from above since there is less interference. Commissioner Daninger questioned if the complaints have gone down since the issue has gone public. Mr. Bednarz stated that the City has continued to receive complaints but characterized them as being more general complaints than about specific incidents. Commissioner Dalien questioned where the FAA regulation requiring a minimum altitude of 1000 feet over congested areas is stated. Mr. Bednarz stated that it is his understanding that that requirement applies to a higher grade of aircraft; therefore that statement would be an error. Commissioner Dalien stated that he understands the noise concerns. He stated that part of the frustration can come if they continue to fly over or in front of one house all the time, since it frustrates me at the lake when the jet skis drive out in front of my lake home constantly. He stated that the City needs to determine what the facts are and what the FAA rules are first before making any decisions. He stated that he does want to discuss the issue further. \ I '- / Commissioner Kirchoff stated that he agrees a continuous noise can be very bothersome. He stated that it seems the flyers are willing to make adjustments to minimize the noise. \ I f \ '-.J Regular Andover Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes - October 23, 2001 Page 12 u He suggested the flying continue to be monitored after the flyers have made their adjustments to see ifthere are still issues. He questioned ifthe ultralights fly in the winter. The Ultralight Flyers stated that they do fly in the winter. Commissioner Dalien questioned if staff has access to other states that may govern this. Commissioner Hedin stated that he took many notes and noticed there was a lot of repetition on both sides of the fence. He stated that he would like to be able to reflect on what was heard before making any decisions. Chair Squires stated that he didn't hear anything to concern him about safety. He stated that the noise does seem to be an issue. He suggested the City work together with the flyers, and the residents to conduct a fair study with Mr. Dubats and his plane. He stated that this would provide facts to help in determining what actually needs to be done to resolve the issue. He stated that it will be important that all groups are represented to assure that the study is fair. Commissioner Greenwald suggested the study show more than just time and noise level. Commissioner Daninger sugges~ed staff do research on exactly what the FAA regulations \ are. , / Chair Squires suggested anyone who is interested in serving on the committee contact Mr. Bednarz. He stated that there will be an update on the committee at the next meeting and once the study has been completed the information will be presented before the Commission. Commissioner Dalien and Commissioner Greenwald offered to participate in the study. OTHER BUSINESS Mr. Bednarz updated the Commission on related items that have recently been before the City Council. ADJOURNMENT Motion by Hedin, seconded by Greenwald, to adjourn the meeting at 9:12 p.m. Motion carried on a 6-ayes, O-nays, I-absent (Falk) vote. Respectfully Submitted, '\ '- ) Sara Beck, Recording Secretary TimeSaver Off Site Secretarial, Inc. "