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HomeMy WebLinkAboutFebruary 14, 2006 o o o ~ o.....~g~ PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING - FEBRUARY 14,2006 The Regular Bi-Monthly Meeting of the Andover Planning and Zoning Commission was called to order by Chairperson Daninger on February 14,2006,7:00 p.m., at the Andover City Hall, 1685 Crosstown Boulevard NW, Andover, Minnesota. Commissioners present: Chairperson Daninger, Commissioners Tim Kirchoff, Michael Casey, Valerie Holthus, Devon Walton and Michael King. Commissioners absent: Commissioner Rex Greenwald. Also present: City Planner, Courtney Bednarz Associate Planner, Chris Vrchota Others APPROVAL OF MINUTES. January 24, 2006 Motion by Kirchoff, seconded by Casey, to approve the minutes as presented. Motion carried on a 6-ayes, O-nays, I-absent (Greenwald) vote. PUBLIC HEARING: CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT (06-01) TO ALLOW ZERO LOT LINE CONSTRUCTION ON LOT 5, BLOCK 3, ANDOVER STATION NORTH LOCATED NORTHWEST OF THE INTERSECTION OF HANSON AND BUNKER LAKE BOULEVARDS. Mr. Bednarz noted a conditional use permit is required to allow commercial buildings to be constnicted up to a property line as indicated in the staff report. Commissioner Kirchoff wondered if this is similar to what was done for the retail building at Clock Tower Commons. Mr. Bednarz stated it was but that was more comprehensive because they looked at the whole plat at one time. Motion by Casey, seconded by Holthus, to open the public hearing at 7:05 p.m. Motion carried on a 6-ayes, O-nays, I-absent (Greenwald) vote. Regular Andover Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes - February 14, 2006 Page 2 o No one wished to address the Planning Commission. Motion by Walton, seconded by Casey, to close the public hearing at 7:05 p.m. Motion carried on a 6-ayes, O-nays, I-absent (Greenwald) vote. Motion by Walton, seconded by Kirchoff, to recommend to the City Council approval of the proposed conditional use permit subject to the conditions of the attached resolution. Motion carried on a 6-ayes, O-nays, I-absent (Greenwald) vote. Mr. Bednarz stated that this item would be before the Council at the February 21,2006 City Council meeting. PUBLIC HEARING: LOT SPLIT (06-03) TO CREATE TWO LOTS FROM LOT 6, BLOCK 1, ANDOVER STATION NORTH LOCATED NORTHWEST OF THE INTERSECTION OF HANSON AND BUNKER LAKE BOULEVARDS. Mr. Vrchota explained the Andover EDA, which owns the lot, is requesting the lot split. The lot split will allow land sales to two developers to move forward. Parcel A will be sold to Bruggeman Builders to be included in the Parkside at Andover Station development. The EDA is working with a developer who intends to build office condominiums, similar to those found in Andover Station, on Parcel B. o Mr. Vrchota discussed the staff report with the Commission. Motion by Kirchoff, seconded by Casey, to open the public hearing at 7:10 p.m. Motion carried on a 6-ayes, O-nays, I-absent (Greenwald) vote. No one wished to address the Planning Commission. Motion by Walton, seconded by Casey, to close the public hearing at 7:10 p.m. Motion carried on a 6-ayes, O-nays, I-absent (Greenwald) vote. Motion by Kirchoff, seconded by Casey, to recommend approval of the proposed lot split. Motion carried on a 6-ayes, O-nays, O-absent (Greenwald) vote. Mr. Bednarz stated that this item would be before the Council at the February 21,2006 City Council meeting. WORK SESSION: A. Automobile Sales Performance Standards. o Regular Andover Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes - February 14, 2006 Page 3 o Mr. Bednarz stated the Planning Commission and Council have requested that performance standards be established for automobile sales. Staff reviewed performance standards from the communities of Brooklyn Center, Brooklyn Park and Mounds View. The regulations vary from fairly minimal to quite extensive. Mr. Bednarz discussed the staff report with the Commission. Chairperson Daninger indicated he liked all twelve operational items and thought they should be included but more could be added. Commissioner Kirchoffwondered what item four meant. Mr. Bednarz stated it would prohibit either vehicles or signs off of the site where the use is approved. Commissioner King wondered if in item five, they would require an indoor facility because he was afraid if that were to happen, it may end up as a salvage yard and he did not want that to happen. He only wanted the sale of vehicles and not the repair of vehicles on the property. o Commissioner Walton wondered if they would be excluding the larger dealership if they were to disallow the repair of vehicles. Commissioner King indicated a new auto dealership would different in definition because they would not be taking in salvaged vehicles to repair and resell them. He indicated he wanted to make sure this is safeguarded against so they do not get into the same situation they were in years ago with the salvage yards. Mr. Bednarz stated they want to avoid using an auto repair facility to collect vehicles and combine them into one and resell them. He stated they do want to include that damaged vehicles need to be stored inside. Commissioner Holthus noted the goal was to avoid the unsightliness of damaged cars sitting outside. Commissioner Walton thought item six was tied into item five and answered his question. Commissioner Walton wondered if they could reduce the poundage even further to exclude larger possibly commercial vehicles. Mr. Bednarz stated the 12,000 pounds was suggested by the applicant to eliminate commercial vehicles but could be reviewed and brought back for further discussion. o Commissioner Holthus stated regarding the required disclosure form and signage, would the disclosure form include something like what is stated on page 15 in the packets, number two. Would this be what is needed on a disclosure form. Regular Andover Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes - February 14, 2006 Page 4 o Mr. Bednarz stated car window signage regulations could say is 'Not legible' or similar. He thought 25% was problematic and did not specify window or windows and could be very difficult to interpret let alone enforce. He stated staff could bring back specific examples for the Commission to look at. Chairperson Daninger stated they need to add everything they do not want for signage in the code. The Commission discussed what they would like to include as unacceptable advertising and signage in the Code such as "open hoods, gorillas, antennae balls", etc. Mr. Bednarz stated item 11, regarding the minimum building requirement, they are in a situation where they have an applicant in an existing building which has value. He thought they could bring back that specific example for the Commission to look at. Chairperson Daninger wondered if the intent of this was to not have a trailer. Commissioner Kirchoff wondered if they should be looking at different guidelines for the two types of dealerships. Mr. Bednarz thought they were trying to prevent the worst types of auto businesses in Andover that have been seen in other cities. o Mr. Bednarz stated on item 12, is concern about an auto repair facility storing the damaged vehicles and then they migrate over to the auto sales lot once they are repaired. Commissioner Kirchoff wondered if there were already guidelines for repair facilities that they would need to follow. Mr. Bednarz stated there are but not to the extent being discussed tonight. Commissioner Walton wondered if they needed to specify between an auto body facility and auto sales. Mr. Bednarz stated that is what they were looking to do. Commissioner Kirchoff wondered if they have standards for auto sales now in the City. Mr. Bednarz stated they have one sentence allowing an auto dealership in general business in the City. Commissioner King wondered if a site plan was required by the recipient of this request for the conditional use permit. Mr. Bednarz stated that was correct and everything would be reviewed at that time for approval. Chairperson Daninger stated this situation is unique. He wondered if there was a timeline for them to complete this. Mr. Bednarz stated the Council wanted the Commission to look closely at this. Chairperson Daninger stated there was no discussion regarding security or fencing around this property. It was agreed that fencing should be regulated. o Regular Andover Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes - February 14, 2006 Page 5 o Chairperson Daninger wondered if they needed to address ownership of vehicles versus consignment and title transfer. Mr. Bednarz stated he thought it was worth discussing but did not know how they would enforce it. Commissioner Holthus wondered if they needed to discuss how many cars would be on a typical lot. Mr. Bednarz explained how existing parking requirements apply and that further review of each site through the CUP would also be a good idea Commissioner King wondered if there was any liability for the City if they were to put this kind of operation into effect. Mr. Bednarz stated he would want to talk with the City Attorney on that. Commissioner Walton wondered if there was anything that allowed an audit type of process that is open to audit at any point in time. He wondered if there were any other types of restrictions they would want to talk about such as franchising, license revocation and renewal. What are the grounds of revocation and should renewal not be an automatic thing, it should be an annual process. He also wondered about dual use on the property. He wondered if this should be allowed or not. Chairperson Daninger thought car sales should be the only thing allowed on site. o Commissioner Kirchoff wondered if they are looking too deeply at the ordinances. Commissioner Walton thought that once they paint this picture, have they painted such a small square that no one will want to do it. He wondered if they follow a specific city's ordinance, do they have examples of other cities ordinances to see if they are headed in the right direction and would the auto dealers think that the rules they have been given in other cities are reasonable or not. Commissioner Kirchoff wondered if they have rules for~~erican Bus Company and how much regulation do they have. Mr. Bednarz stated it is a use that pre-exists their code. Commissioner Kirchoffwondered if they needed all of these regulations ifmost are State Statutes. Chairperson Daninger stated they are moving towards a more ~ descriptive and constrictive ordinance. ~-a <6 -CIp Commissioner King stated one statement that the petitioner made at the last meeting was that at present time he sells his vehicles at Anoka C.U. and what he was thinking was a Conditional Use Permit at one location would not allow a person to sell vehicles at other locations. He thought this was something else to look at. Mr. Bednarz stated they would re-write this almost in a list form and bring it back for the Commission to review and hold a public hearing. OTHER BUSINESS. o Mr. Bednarz updated the Planning Commission on related items. Regular Andover Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes - February 14, 2006 Page 6 o ADJOURNMENT. Motion by Casey, seconded by Holthus, to adjourn the meeting at 8:05 p.m. Motion carried on a 6-ayes, O-nays, I-absent (Greenwald) vote. Respectfully Submitted, Sue Osbeck, Recording Secretary TimeSaver Off Site Secretarial, Inc. o o