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PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING – MARCH 14, 2023
The Regular Bi-Monthly Meeting of the Andover Planning and Zoning Commission was
called to order by Chairperson Karen Godfrey on March 14, 2023, 7:00 p.m., at the
Andover City Hall, 1685 Crosstown Boulevard NW, Andover, Minnesota.
Commissioners present: Scott Hudson, Bert Koehler IV, Nick Loehlein, Patrick
Shuman, Jr., and Ryan Winge
Commissioners absent: Jonathan Shafto
Also present: Community Development Director Joe Janish
Associate Planner Jake Griffiths
Others
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
OATH OF OFFICE - COMMISSIONER PATRICK SHUMAN, JR.
Chairperson Karen Godfrey administered an oath of office to new commissioner, Patrick
Shuman, Jr.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
February 28, 2023 Regular Meeting Minutes
Associate Planner Jake Griffiths requested the following corrections:
Page 2, Line 4: Switching out the word “of” for “or” so it reads, “approval or denial”
Motion by Commissioner Loehlein, seconded by Koehler, to approve the minutes as
amended. Motion carried on a 6-ayes, 0-nays, 1-present (Commissioner Shuman), 0-absent
vote.
February 28, 2023 Workshop Meeting Minutes
Associate Planner Jake Griffiths requested the following corrections:
Page 3, Line 5: Adding the word “by” between “to” and “staff” so it reads, “which is
responded to by staff”.
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Motion by Commissioner Koehler, seconded by Commissioner Loehlein, to approve the
minutes as amended. Motion carried on a 6-ayes, 0-nays, 1-present (Commissioner
Shuman), 0-absent vote.
PUBLIC HEARING: VARIANCE REQUEST - 17337 ROANOKE ST NW; PID #06-
32-24-33-0016 - SAMANTHA HAUPERT & COLIN ANDERSON (APPLICANTS)
The Planning & Zoning Commission is requested to hold a public hearing and make a
recommendation to the City Council to either approve or deny the Variance request made
by Samantha Haupert and Colin Anderson. Associate Planner Jake Griffiths explained a
Variance is a way through Zoning that cities can allow an exception to an Ordinance that
would otherwise apply to a specific property. This Variance Request relates to minimum
lot standards. The request is to deviate from the minimum lot size and width requirements
of the R2 zoning district, one on Roanoke Street(7th Avenue) and one on 173rd Avenue to
the South. For lot size, the City Code requires 2.5 acres, and the applicant is requesting a
Variance to drop that to 1.15 acres. For lot width, the City Code requires 300 feet, and the
applicant is requesting 138.5 feet. The applicant must show there are practical difficulties,
and the Variance needs to be in harmony with the general purposes and intent of the
comprehensive plan for the property. The Commission is being asked to compare the
Variance Request with the review criteria outlined by the City Code, and make a
recommendation based on finding of facts to City Council. He shared the history of the
property being discussed, and that the applicant is requesting a variance for a lot split that
would otherwise not meet City Code.
Commissioners had no questions about the presentation.
Motion: Chair Godfrey assumed a motion to open the Public Hearing at 7:10 p.m. Motion
carried by unanimous consent.
Dan Gregerson, Gregerson, Rosow, Johnson & Nilan, LTD, 16025 Temple Lane,
Minnetonka, the attorney for the applicants, who bought the property at a distressed sale.
They would like to develop the property into two lots to become their forever home. They
plan to build a home and accessory structure on the 173rd Avenue lot. The Roanoke Street
lot would be rented out to friends and family. Any split of this property would require a
variance along Roanoke, no matter how the boundary line is drawn. The applicant wants
the line drawn in the original position so there is uniformity in size, and so it’s taken back
to what the property looked like 10-15 years ago. It would also allow the applicant to build
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a larger accessory structure along the 173 Avenue lot.
Earnest England, 17350 Roanoke Street NW, stated he is seeing a 2.5 acre parcel they want
to subdivide into 1.15 acres. It is in Andover’s rules that 2.5 acres should be kept as the
smallest lot size. He doesn’t understand the use of the parcel, and asked if there is an
easement going through the middle of the property. He used to plow the driveway of a man
named Bruce, who used to live there, and there is one driveway going down the middle so
he is not sure how the brown house would get access if the Variance was approved. He
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asked if anyone from City staff has been out to look at the property to see if there is an
easement in the middle. He used to work for Andover fire and brought up concerns about
there not being City water or sewer on the properties, and about houses being built so close
together since it could be a fire hazard. He asked what the 20 year plan is for City water
and sewer. He is opposed to the Variance. He has 7.1 acres across the road and won’t plan
to subdivide until there is City water and sewer.
Commissioner Koehler asked Mr. England when he moved into his house.
Mr. England shared he and his wife bought their property in 1999. They had under 10 acres
which were already subdivided and lived in the house on the 2 acre lot, then built their
home on the 7.1 acre lot.
Dan Gregerson returned to the stand to clarify Mr. England’s questions. There is a property
on the Roanoke facing side, which will stay. A new residence will be constructed on the
173rd Avenue side, so there will be one residence on each parcel.
Commissioner Koehler asked what the planned access looks like to each primary dwelling
on each property of the proposed variance request.
Mr. Gregerson explained there is a current access off Roanoke Street with an easement
there, they could do a cross access easement or investigate if they could take access from
173rd Avenue. They would need to revisit that as a possibility.
Commissioner Koehler asked Staff if 173rd Avenue is a City road or a County road. Mr.
Griffiths clarified it is a City road.
Chair Godfrey asked Staff for additional information. Mr. Griffiths stated the email he
received prior to tonight’s meeting was from Mr. England, and is an official part of the
record. He explained the plans for City water in the area of the property being discussed.
He presented Andover’s zoning map showing the current boundary to which the City plans
on extending City water and sewer. It is several miles short of where the applicant’s
property is, and the City does not plan to extend it farther.
Chair Godfrey asked if any proposed additional building in this area, including the
applicant’s property, would require a new well and septic. Mr. Griffiths shared that is
correct. Chair Godfrey asked if that is possible on this site, and Mr. Griffiths said it would
be up to the applicant to determine as part of their lot split process in the future if the
Variance is approved and they choose to move forward.
Commissioner Loehlein asked a question related to City Code flexibility for lot splits,
where it explains lot splits being allowed under certain conditions. A lot split must result
in no more than two lots and must meet two of the following requirements: lot width, depth,
or area. He asked if the applicants considered simply drawing the line differently, so that
it would be within City Code, so each property would meet the Code.
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Dan Gregerson shared he discussed it with his staff and clients, but they would prefer to
go back to the original line for purposes of creating two more normal sized lots. If the lot
line was extended in a different area to try to meet the City Code, it might impact the
accessory structure that the applicants are hoping to build on the 173rd Avenue parcel.
They are going forward with two variance requests tonight.
Commissioner Loehlein asked for Mr. Gregerson to indicate on the map where the
applicants hope to build their accessory structure.
Mr. Gregerson asked Colin Anderson (variance applicant) to come forward to show on the
map where they plan on putting it. He explained they are not delving too much into details
of a potential lot split. They know they need to get the Variance first before planning too
much of the lot split. The applicants know there will be more hurdles even if the Variance
is approved, and that the Variance is the first step.
Colin Anderson, 17337 Roanoke Street NW, showed on the map that the shed would be
near where the current structure on the property is.
Motion: Chair Godfrey assumed a motion to close the Public Hearing at 7:36 p.m. Motion
carried by unanimous consent.
Commissioner Winge asked if the applicant were to redraw the lot lines to allow for only
one variance request for lot width, so each parcel would be within the 2.5 acre requirement
for a lot split, would the 90% rule apply to that?
Mr. Griffiths shared that in this case, no. Staff reports indicate the 90% rule exists because
if you meet two of the three criteria, the one requirement you are deviating from has to
meet 90% of the City requirement. In this case, the deviation to lot width would be less
than half of what City Code requires, so the 90% rule wouldn’t apply.
Commissioner Koehler asked if Zoning was enacted in 1974 when the City was
incorporated, and if the Zoning changed considerably from 1974 until now.
Mr. Griffiths explained details of the R2 zoning district. Before 1974, the City was known
as Grow Township. When the City was incorporated first ordinances were passed, one
being Zoning. The R2 zoning district was established as a way to identify properties that
didn’t meet City Code. There were properties that were already approved that didn’t meet
the City Code, such as the one being discussed. Rather than having a bunch of properties
that didn’t meet R1 district rules, the City created R2 so existing properties built before
1978 could remain but any new buildings would need to follow City Code for 2.5 acres
and 300 feet minimum. Since that time, unless a Variance was approved, new structures
have met those requirements.
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Commissioner Koehler asked if Mr. England moved in in 1999, the Zoning would have
been in place as it is today, and the Zoning hasn’t changed. Mr. Griffiths stated that is
correct, but noted that across the street there is an R1 zoning district, but regardless
minimum lot size and width is the same between the two.
Commissioner Loehlein stated the R2 zoning district is unique and was created because
the properties there didn’t meet the R1 or R4 district requirements. He asked if many of
the properties were non-conforming at that time, or if they conformed to the R2 district
requirements. He stated the two properties being discussed didn’t, but did most of the
properties not meet the R2 district? Mr. Griffiths said to look at properties in the R2 district
that were subdivided prior to 1978, which almost all were. Any of those properties in this
Zoning District meet city code because they were grandfathered in. Any new properties
need to meet City standards and be at least 2.5 acres. New properties can’t be re-zoned.
The Zoning District can’t grow, and is locked in to memorialize the non-conforming status
of properties that are in it.
Commissioner Koehler stated he understands this is a Variance Request not a lot split. He
asked if emergency services or engineering looked at this request, or if any other groups
within the City provided input. Mr. Griffiths stated they won’t get feedback on anything
until the lot split happens.
Chair Godfrey clarified that at this point, they are only looking at the request for two
variances. Staff guidance, MN state statutes, and City Code require the Commission to
look at specific review criteria. It seems clear that two of the three requirements must be
met and she doesn’t see much leeway in that. She asked if from Staff’s review, is it possible
to draw the boundaries differently so the lot size would conform to City Code and there
would only be one variance needed, which would be the frontage on Roanoke. Mr. Griffiths
stated that yes, currently the property is 6.4 acres in size, and minimum lot size is 2.5 acres.
There are many ways you could draw the line to meet the Code for minimum lot size.
Commissioner Hudson asked Mr. Griffiths to clarify if currently this property is a
conforming property, and Mr. Griffiths said that is correct. Commissioner Hudson asked if
the Commission would then be seeking to make one of them non-conforming if it were to
go through. Mr. Griffiths said a variance is required because the applicant, through their
request, is asking to make a conforming property non-conforming.
Chair Godfrey asked if the City Council in recent years has approved any requests to make
conforming properties non-conforming. Mr. Griffith’s shared he does not have an answer.
Typically cities don’t approve things like this, usually properties go from non-conforming
to conforming, not the other way around. He doesn’t have an answer to how many similar
variance requests, if any, have been granted.
Community Development Director Joe Janish reminded the Commission that they are
evaluating requests based on four questions, which should be leading the Commission’s
discussion related to this particular parcel.
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Chair Godfrey restated a paraphrased version of the four considerations the Commission
should be considering and focusing on. First, does the property owner propose to use the
property in an unreasonable manner that is not permitted, which in this case does not apply.
Second, is the plight of the landowner due to circumstances unique to the property and not
created by the landowner. In this case it sounds as if the applicant is creating the problems
based on their preference of where the line is drawn. Third, is that the variance, if granted,
will not alter the essential character of locality. Fourth, economic considerations alone do
not constitute practical difficulties. Mr. Griffiths added to also consider the test to look at
performance with the comprehensive plan as well.
Commissioner Koehler asked if there is an absolute bare minimum that a residential
property can be in the City of Andover, as he looked at the Zoning chart in front of him.
Mr. Griffiths said the minimum lot size would be 8,600 square feet - 3,600 for a building
pad and 5,000 for primary and alternate drain field locations. If the applicant went forward
with a lot split, City staff would be looking for those two criteria to be met. Commissioner
Koehler is having a problem with considerations two and three. He restated the second,
that the plight of the landowner is due to circumstances unique to the property and not
created by the landowner. He is hung up on where the applicant wants the line, as it could
be moved and then meet two of the requirements. He restated question three related to Mr.
England’s comments, that if the Variance is granted it will not alter the essential character
of locality. There are two pieces of property there that match what they are asking for and
were there before the Zoning code was put in place. People like Mr. England bought into
the neighborhood understanding what the Zoning requirements were and what the
neighborhood should look like. From neighbors’ perspectives, some may be okay with it,
some many not, but it alters what the expectation was when they moved in, knowing what
the Zoning Code was. Commissioner Koehler invited others to argue with him and show
him there is a way around it.
Commissioner Loehlein shared he can’t argue. If the applicants had come before the
Commission having drawn the line in a different place, it would be different. But with the
request as is, he agrees with Commissioner Koehler.
Commissioner Koehler clarified he is not against the lot split, but there is another way to
do it that could maintain the integrity of what people expected when they bought into that
neighborhood and get the applicants closer to meeting the code. He shared about past
requests people have made to the Commission that were too far off from the Code to be
considered, one requesting 1.5 acres, and this request is even smaller. He struggles with
there being another way to draw the line, but the applicant not wanting to.
Commissioner Winge agreed with Commissioners Koehler and Loehlein. If the line could
be drawn so that the smaller lot would be closer to 2.5 acres, that would get them closer to
moving in the right direction.
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Chair Godfrey explained before moving to a motion that the Commission makes
recommendations to City Council, but does not make official decisions.
Mr. Griffiths clarified there are two variance requests being considered, one for lot size
and one for lot width. He wanted to make sure the Commission wasn’t missing one part of
the applicant’s request. Commissioner Hudson asked if it’s one request that is being
considered to recommend to City Council, two variances but one request that will either
pass or fail. Mr. Griffiths stated that is correct, but as part of the Commission’s review,
both items should be discussed.
Commissioner Koehler asked if the line was drawn differently and the acreage of each
parcel was closer to 2.5acres, would the lot width still be a problem. Mr. Griffiths said yes,
it would be. Commissioner Koehler is hung up on how far off the request is, 300 feet is the
requirement for lot width and the request is off by more than 50%. Mr. Griffiths explained
there is no way to draw the line differently to tackle lot width. Lot width will be 138.5 as
requested, or it will be as it is today. He explained the reason as he showed the map of the
current property. Commissioner Koehler clarified that no matter how the line is drawn, the
lot width on Roanoke is staying the same no matter what, which was confirmed by Mr.
Griffiths.
Commissioner Loehlein asked Mr. Griffiths to clarify why the applicants couldn’t draw the
line in a different place and meet the 90% rule, as stated in Item 2 of the City Code, since
a new line could help the applicants meet requirements for lot area and depth. Mr. Griffiths
explained it’s because of Criteria 3, which states each lot within the proposed lot split shall
provide at least 90% of the requirement that can’t be met. The lot width of the proposed lot
split would still be less than 50% of the City requirement.
Mr. Griffiths reminded the Commission that it can direct Staff to go back and craft findings
to present to the City Council based on tonight’s discussion, to be forwarded to them. It
can be indicated in the motion. Chair Godfrey asked Mr. Griffith’s if it needs to be part of
the motion or if it can be a direction after action on the motion is taken. Mr. Griffiths stated
that however the Commission would like to do it is okay.
Motion by Commissioner Koehler to recommend to the City Council approval of the
Variance Request as presented. Motion died for lack of a second.
Motion by Commissioner Koehler, seconded by Commissioner Loehlein, to recommend
to the City Council denial of the Variance Request as presented based on the fact that the
land area of the lot is due to the landowners decision as to where to draw the line, and that
the essential character of the locality is changed based on the fact that it no longer meets
Zoning Code. Motion carried by unanimous vote.
Chair Godfrey asked Mr. Griffiths to direct Staff to craft a summary of tonight’s comments
and discussion for City Council. She stated the City Council will view the QCTV recording
of tonight’s meeting and see the comments made during the public hearing.
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Mr. Griffiths stated that this item would be before the Council at the March 21, 2023 City
Council meeting.
PUBLIC HEARING: CONSIDER AMENDMENT TO CITY CODE TITLE 12-7-3
FENCE HEIGHT - CITY OF ANDOVER (APPLICANT)
The Planning and Zoning Commission is requested to hold a public hearing and make a
recommendation to the City Council on an amendment to City Code related to fence height.
Community Development Director Joe Janish shared this is coming to the Planning and
Zoning Commission based on things City staff has been seeing and based on research that
was conducted. As they have gone through their Commercial Site Plan process required of
commercial or larger residential sites, when it comes to ground mounted mechanical
equipment like ground generators, hvac units, etc. it appears screening isn’t adequate. He
contacted nearby communities who allow for fencing up to higher heights through the
screening process. He wanted to make an amendment to Code to make exceptions for fence
height, and presented the language that will be added to the code. The proposed new
language reads:
Fences that are required for screening of ground mounted mechanical equipment, through
a required commercial site plan (CSP), may exceed the height otherwise required by City
Code provided that:
1. Location of fencing meets Building Setbacks for a principal structure.
2. Fencing is to screen around mounted mechanical equipment.
3. Fencing shall be the minimum height needed to screen the equipment and no
taller than 10 feet.
4. Fencing shall not be taller than the height of the adjacent building wall.
5. All other screening requirements are met.
Commissioner Koehler asked if the City has ever given exceptions before related to
fencing. Mr. Janish is not aware of that. Commissioner Koehler asked if this code would
pertain only to commercial buildings. Mr. Janish said yes, only those that require a
Commercial Site Plan process. A single-family home would not qualify for this section of
the code.
Chair Godfrey asked if a 4-plex or larger residential property would qualify. Mr. Janish
said yes because they would trigger the Commercial Site Plan process.
Commissioner Koehler asked if an exception outside of this would be a home that wanted
to build a fence in the front yard taller than 4 feet tall, and clarified that would not be
allowed. Mr. Janish stated that is correct. A single-family homeowner would need to
request a variance showing practical difficulties or a Code amendment.
Motion: Chair Godfrey assumed a motion to open the Public Hearing at 7:59 p.m. Motion
carried by unanimous consent.
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There was no public input.
Motion: Chair Godfrey assumed a motion to close the Public Hearing at 8:00 p.m. Motion
carried by unanimous consent.
Motion by Commissioner Koehler, seconded by Commissioner Loehlein, to recommend
to the City Council approval of the amendment to City Code as written. Motion carried by
unanimous vote.
Mr. Janish stated that this item would be before the Council at the March 21, 2023 City
Council meeting.
OTHER BUSINESS.
Associate Planner Jake Griffiths updated the Planning Commission on related items. He
updated that at the last meeting there was a Conditional Use Permit for Grace Lutheran
Church which will be on the City Council agenda for March 21. The Commission is
planning to have a meeting on the 4th Tuesday of the month, March 28th. He also recapped
that the City had the North Suburban Home show and it was great to see several present
and former Commissioners there.
Commissioner Koehler thanked Staff and the City for the wonderful job they did on the
Home Show.
ADJOURNMENT.
Motion by Commissioner Shuman, seconded by Commissioner Koehler, to adjourn the
meeting at 8:02 p.m. Motion carried by unanimous consent.
Respectfully Submitted,
Kristina Haas, Recording Secretary
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